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Re: Shell buys German solar battery maker sonnen
Reply #30 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am

lee wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 8:58pm:

The thing is, all energy sources available to humans on planet earth, come from the sun. New technology is making it possible to bypass inefficient storage matter like fossil fuel.

Perhaps you cave us the relative efficiencies of solar, wind, gas, coal and petroleum.
In BTU's perhaps?

As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country Wink

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Reply #31 - Feb 20^th, 2019 at 11:35am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country

So that would include the GHG emissions in transporting Chinese Solar Panels and Wind Turbines of any manufacture to Australia? Just for a fair comparison, of course. Wink

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Reply #32 - Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 11:35am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 20^th, 2019 at 9:47am:

As a fair comparison you should include the inefficiency all the way back to extracting it from a well in the middle east instead of thinking that it magically appears at the fossil fool bowser in another country

So that would include the GHG emissions in transporting Chinese Solar Panels and Wind Turbines of any manufacture to Australia? Just for a fair comparison, of course. Wink

Versus continual GHG emissions from the extraction of every liter of crude oil, refinement, transportation across the ocean, further refinement, distribution etc.

I think renewables win hands down don't you Wink

And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG.

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Reply #33 - Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:28am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

I think renewables win hands down don't you

You haven't articulated the GHG's and other noxious emissions that occur during the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines.

Renewables are too intermittent in the manufacturing process, so they must use petroleum based products for extraction, refinement, transportation and further distribution.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG.

They now manufacture wind turbines solely using renewables? Grin

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Reply #34 - Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:38am

lee wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:28am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

I think renewables win hands down don't you

You haven't articulated the GHG's and other noxious emissions that occur during the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines.

Renewables are too intermittent in the manufacturing process, so they must use petroleum based products for extraction, refinement, transportation and further distribution.

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 10:49am:

And to add to that they are now building wind turbines in Australia so you can eliminate that source of GHG.

They now manufacture wind turbines solely using renewables? Grin

The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables. They are carbon neutral. It can be done but not with the LNP retards in charge.

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Reply #35 - Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:48am

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:38am:

The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables.

Yes petal. Just not "solely". Wink

"Tesla Gigafactory To Be Powered 100% By “Tesla Solar” By End Of 2019"

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/27/tesla-gigafactory-to-be-powered-100-by-tesl...

You do understand the difference between currently and a future intent? Wink

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Reply #36 - Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 9:58am

lee wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 21^st, 2019 at 11:38am:

The Tesla Gigafactory is powered by renewables.

Yes petal. Just not "solely". Wink

"Tesla Gigafactory To Be Powered 100% By “Tesla Solar” By End Of 2019"

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/27/tesla-gigafactory-to-be-powered-100-by-tesl...

You do understand the difference between currently and a future intent? Wink

SO less than 100% is not good enough for you Cheesy

LOL

What a whinger Sad

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21166 Gender:	Re: Shell buys German solar battery maker sonnen Reply #37 - Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 12:18pm Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2019 at 9:58am: SO less than 100% is not good enough for you You are the one whinging about CO2 emissions.
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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Shell buys German solar battery maker sonnen Reply #38 - Feb 23^rd, 2019 at 7:40am It will be interesting to see if Shell just caretakes Sonnen our pours some money into it.... Potentially there to be in every house and energy storage for grid and renewables... I agree with Lee if its making money u cant fault Shell.
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