Australian Politics Forum - Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs

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Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs
Reply #15 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

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Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs
Reply #16 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

Yes, I'm sure that's what he meant.

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Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs
Reply #17 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

Yes, I'm sure that's what he meant.

Nothing stopping them from asking for asylum.

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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 89132 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs Reply #18 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:39pm Sounds like a good argument to revert to onshore processing....
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Reply #19 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 8:01am

This is the tip of a very large iceberg indeed

It is not hard to visualise untold numbers of "Country shoppers' queuing up in Indonesia to get compliant doctors on the take to give them the paperwork

I mean it's not rocket science is it?

This going to create a perfect storm for Australia and the boats will be coming in their hundreds

Labor is too heavily controlled by the left and this will lead to 'refugee problems' the like of which this Country has never seen

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Reply #20 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:09am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here?

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Reply #21 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:49am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

Only for processing at the showers ..............................

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs Reply #22 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 8:06pm Easiest way to solve is to improve medical conditions so that they won't need to be transferred. If you think they are adequate, a simple question: would you be willing to travel over there (let's say, for free) and have an operation?
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Reply #23 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:07pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:09am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG

The full map shows most countries to the West of Australia are not signatories???

Huh

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Reply #24 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:26pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:09am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:43am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:17am:

The tele must be expecting an influx of refugees to come up with these figures....No scare mongering bullshit what so ever from these cretins is there???

Roll Eyes

We all know that the boats will start up again under Labor. They are pushing a bill to insure that children will never go back into detention. The smugglers will fill their boats up with women and children as a consequence. A Labor government will not separate mothers and their children so they'll get straight into our country. The fathers will get a visa later.

You like to see mothers and their children separated, do you?

I don't want to see any boat arrivals. I'm just telling you what is obviously going to happen. Using children to get asylum is and old one used all around the world.

Why is that?

Don't you think people should be able to seek asylum?

in the first country that reach that is safe I do.

The first country they reach that is a signatory to the refugee convention like Australia you mean???

Huh

The countries in green are all signatories. How many do you think they pass through or near on their way here?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG

The full map shows most countries to the West of Australia are not signatories???

Huh

What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees? Why are you so keen to have them?

Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally.

Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally? Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you?

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Reply #25 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees? Why are you so keen to have them?

Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally.

Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally? Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you?

An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians....Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status....They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities....I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention....You should address your questions to the Federal Government....What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!!

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs Reply #26 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 5:34am Lame duck Phelpsy is just an embarrassing would be pseudo Greeny. She will be gone at the election.
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Reply #27 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:23pm

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:26pm:

What do you like about country shoppers and fake refugees? Why are you so keen to have them?

Whatever these people are fleeing they are safe from in Indonesia, where they have travelled to freely and without hindrance. They are not fleeing Indonesia when they try to enter Australia illegally.

Why do you want them to do this? What right do they have to come here illegally when they are safe in the country they entered willingly and legally? Why are you in favour of people who want to break the immigration laws of your own country/ What's wrong with you?

An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians....Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status....They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities....I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention....You should address your questions to the Federal Government....What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!!

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An independent tribunal determines refugee status not public opinion or politicians

Not true. Not an independent tribunal. And the absence of documents is always treated as a 'benefit of doubt' scenario, hence the destruction of all ID by illegal boat entrants

Indonesia are not a signatory to the refugee convention and do not offer asylum or recognise refugee status.

So these people fly to Indonesia, and indonesia gives them a vis at the airport, both parties knowing full well that they are there to try o enter Australia illegally. And leavee Indonesia illegally, I add. They NEVER check OUT. The corrupt Indonesian are party to this human trafficking. They know what's happening but they are so corrupt that they will do anything for a little material consideration.

They are not entering Australia illegally if they request asylum as soon as they come into contact with Australian authorities

They are leaving Indonesia without going through Indonesian ports and having their passports stamped - see above, corruption - and they are certainly trying to enter Australia illegally. They are not fleeing Indonesia, you see. Trying to enter from a country you are not fleeing IS an attempt to enter illegally.

I did not write the laws or ratify the refugee convention

You couldn't write a laundry list.

You should address your questions to the Federal Government -

These quetions arise from your ignorant posturing.

What is wrong with you is you have no understanding of international law or the refugee convention!!!

So speaks the Great FOGGY!!!! You are sitting in Perth, breathing the same air as Bwian and gweggy - no wonder you have no bloody idea - see above - and you make up for your ignorance with an excess shouty, flailing bollocks. Very Bwian, very gweggy, very Perth.

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs Reply #28 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm Just provide appropriate medical treatment at the refugee camps...they wouldn't need to come to australia then!!
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Asylum medivac transfers will cost $1.4B in 5yrs Reply #29 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:36pm stunspore wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 6:32pm: Just provide appropriate medical treatment at the refugee camps...they wouldn't need to come to australia then!! Because this isn't about medical treatment at all. It's about dismantling offshore detention. They are getting sneaky.
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