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Reply #105 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:05pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:43am:

Tim Wilson has mishandled this whole inquiry ... however, the rip-off of on average $5,000 annually from self-funded retirees is still a big issue.

It does hurt those at the low income end the hardest.

It's actually the type of policy that should be anathema to the true Labor ethos because it does clobber the ones at the low end along with the really wealthy ones.

Just shows how low Labor has sunk in its grab for cash.

The policy stinks and it could still blow up in Shorten's and Bowen's faces.

You've been listening too much to the government's lying propaganda.

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Some of their cuts, both implemented and attempted:
* Direct cuts to the pension
* Increasing pension age to 70
* Cutting pension indexation
* Deeming interest rates significantly higher than market interest rates, forcing pensioners to spend their savings
* Cutting pensions for pensioners who travel overseas
* Cutting pensioner concessions
* Changing the assets test to cut the pension to 370,000 part pensioners
* Axing the energy supplement

They've been going after aged pensioners long and hard for the whole time they've been in office. And you actually believe them?

I was protesting about this franking Credit Tax return rip-off from retirees from the day it was announced. My opinion has nothing to do with the Government.

I was glad that Shorten buckled after the initial hue and cry to exempt pensioners, but it still hurts non-pensioners who are genuinely on low incomes.

The policy stinks and it might end up hurting Labor big time.

You haven't answered my question:

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Or, edited for clarity:

Why aren't you complaining about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension?

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Re: Tim Wilson should resign !
Reply #106 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:11pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:57pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:54am:
You would have to expand on that and prove it.

no, I don't.

yep for you assertions are good enough. Grin

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:57pm:

So Wilson can influence the Labor deputy chair and the other Labor members of the committee? Why; are they spineless or something? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course he can . Politicians do these things all day every day. Have you been living in a cave?

Oh dear now Labor politicians are jellybacks, don't hold dearly to their beliefs. Grin

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Reply #107 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:16pm

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Why aren't you complaining about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension?

Those things have been done and can't be retrospectively undone; even by Bill. He probably won't even try; which tells you where his priorities lie.

The Imputation imbroglio is prospective and doesn't need to be undone as it hasn't been implemented.

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Reply #108 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:41pm

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:43am:

Tim Wilson has mishandled this whole inquiry ... however, the rip-off of on average $5,000 annually from self-funded retirees is still a big issue.

It does hurt those at the low income end the hardest.

It's actually the type of policy that should be anathema to the true Labor ethos because it does clobber the ones at the low end along with the really wealthy ones.

Just shows how low Labor has sunk in its grab for cash.

The policy stinks and it could still blow up in Shorten's and Bowen's faces.

You've been listening too much to the government's lying propaganda.

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Some of their cuts, both implemented and attempted:
* Direct cuts to the pension
* Increasing pension age to 70
* Cutting pension indexation
* Deeming interest rates significantly higher than market interest rates, forcing pensioners to spend their savings
* Cutting pensions for pensioners who travel overseas
* Cutting pensioner concessions
* Changing the assets test to cut the pension to 370,000 part pensioners
* Axing the energy supplement

They've been going after aged pensioners long and hard for the whole time they've been in office. And you actually believe them?

I was protesting about this franking Credit Tax return rip-off from retirees from the day it was announced. My opinion has nothing to do with the Government.

I was glad that Shorten buckled after the initial hue and cry to exempt pensioners, but it still hurts non-pensioners who are genuinely on low incomes.

The policy stinks and it might end up hurting Labor big time.

You haven't answered my question:

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Or, edited for clarity:

Why aren't you complaining about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension?

I am complaining about cuts to the aged pension.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Wink

By the way ... are you related to John McEnroe? Grin

I might mention, BTW ... The pension has in fact been increasing.

Even the "Energy Supplement" which was supposed to be for the Carbon Tax is still there, although not indexed anymore ... but then again ... the Carbon Tax is no longer there! Grin

Not to say that it shouldn't be increased even more. Wink

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Reply #109 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 4:59pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

yep for you assertions are good enough

no. For me, when discussing an article, the contents of the article are typically enough. If you have evidence to the contrary it is up to you to provide it. It's not up to me to prove your assertions wrong.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:11pm:

Oh dear now Labor politicians are jellybacks, don't hold dearly to their beliefs. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Don't try to put words in my mouth. You're barely capable of putting them in your own. Politicians are politicians. Self interest is the ultimate goal.

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Reply #110 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:28pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

No evidence of conflict of interest or corruption in the article. mere assertions. Wink

The conflict would only occur if he subsequently voted on the matter.

no, he doesn't have to vote on the matter for there to be a conflict of interest. Either way he has influence on what happens, what testimony he allows and disallows and how the final conclusions are presented. That alone is enough of a conflict of interest to warrant his dismissal.

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

Well that is the thread is it not Wilson (one) should resign.

yes, that's how these forums work, we discuss one issue at a time, as they arise. How long have you been on these forums now and you still haven't worked it out?

I would think that the conflict of interest point is difficult in this case. Every member of government would have managed investments all of which would be opposing this legislation.

Attendance at each meeting is not controlled so knowledge of any particular extra level of conflict would be very difficult to manage.

Conflict of interest - yes - all of them, every single committee member.

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Reply #111 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:32pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

For me, when discussing an article, the contents of the article are typically enough.

But assertions in an article are not proof. So you want things to be proof free?

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

It's not up to me to prove your assertions wrong.

It is your assertion that there is a conflict. Wink

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Don't try to put words in my mouth.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:57pm:

So Wilson can influence the Labor deputy chair and the other Labor members of the committee? Why; are they spineless or something? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course he can . Politicians do these things all day every day.

They are your words petal.

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Re: Tim Wilson should resign !
Reply #112 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:43pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

But assertions in an article are not proof. So you want things to be proof free?

if you want to claim the writer of the article is lying, it's up to you to prove it. It's not up to me to prove you wrong.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

It is your assertion that there is a conflict

No, that was whoever wrote the article. Unless I see evidence to the contrary, I'm happy to take his word for it.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:32pm:

They are your words petal

no, they were your words.

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Reply #113 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:53pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:43pm:

if you want to claim the writer of the article is lying, it's up to you to prove it.

Did I say that? Or did I say it was an assertion? Wink

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:43pm:

no, they were your words.

That you agreed with petal.

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:57pm:

Of course he can .

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:43pm:

No, that was whoever wrote the article.

So he didn't check whether it was true or not and you just agreed with him making that assertion. Wink

Edit : Actually you are wrong -

""Tim Wilson must resign immediately as the chair of the House Economics Committee because he has a massive conflict of interest as he's a shareholder in the company that is leading the charge in undermining this policy," said Labor's Matt Thistlethwaite, who serves as Mr Wilson's deputy chairman on the committee."

It is a direct quote of the Deputy Chair, the Labor member.

Has he got a timeline of when Wilson Asset Management made the first announcement as compared to Switzer and others?

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Re: Tim Wilson should resign !
Reply #114 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:12pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:53pm:

Did I say that? Or did I say it was an assertion? Wink

you haven't proven either.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:53pm:

That you agreed with petal.

No, if you understood grammar you would realise that my answer was in response to your first question in your statement. That is evidenced by my use of the word 'he'. The second question you asked I did not respond to. Any answer you attributed to it is entirely of your own making.

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Reply #115 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:15pm

So Wilson does not have the confidence of the Committee and has a conflict due to his financial holdings (shares)....Geoff Wilson has admitted to part-funding the website through which the Liberal MP Tim Wilson has coordinated opposition to Labor’s franking credit policy, while chairing an inquiry into it....The Liberal Party are using this taxpayer funded "inquiry" as a fundraiser and Wilson has been referred to the AFP for sharing electoral roll information for commercial purposes....This will bite the Liberal Party on the ass!!!

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""Tim Wilson must resign immediately as the chair of the House Economics Committee because he has a massive conflict of interest as he's a shareholder in the company that is leading the charge in undermining this policy," said Labor's Matt Thistlethwaite, who serves as Mr Wilson's deputy chairman on the committee."

I agree Matt!!!

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/08/labor-asks-afp-to-investi...

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78147 Gender:	Re: Tim Wilson should resign ! Reply #116 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:16pm Can't be right Phil, Lee says there is no conflict of interest because he didn't vote for anything
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Reply #117 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:33pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

Can't be right Phil, Lee says there is no conflict of interest because he didn't vote for anything

And the article doesn't saying anything about conflict of interest because of shareholdings. But about possible misuse of electoral rolls.

Two entirely different things.

So from what the deputy chair said there was conflict because of Wilson Asset management "leading the charge". Now I suspect there is at least some hyperbole on his part. What needs to be determined is how much is fact and how much hyperbole. Wink

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60767 Here Gender:	Re: Tim Wilson should resign ! Reply #118 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:35pm Should Tim resign ? I don't know Don't think I had ever heard of him and don't have a view. If he resigns or is turfed out at the next election makes little difference IMO.
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Reply #119 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 8:34pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:05pm:

Why aren't you complaining about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension?

Those things have been done and can't be retrospectively undone; even by Bill.

You have very little understanding of how laws work. Enact an Act of Parliament, changes repealed.

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