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Reply #90 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:08pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

were you under some sort of understanding that I was giving your opinion?

No petal I was under the misapprehension that you were supplying something evidence based. Not mere conjecture.

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:57pm:

Perhaps you should read the title of the thread before commenting?

Perhaps you should give a reason why only one politician should resign when your opinion is that they are ALL corrupt. Grin

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Reply #91 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:11pm

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

No petal I was under the misapprehension that you were supplying something evidence based. Not mere conjecture.

sorry to disappoint. The evidence is in the article, people can read it and comment, or they can do what you do and deflect.

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:08pm:

Perhaps you should give a reason why only one politician should resign when your opinion is that they are ALL corrupt

Who said one should resign? Are you high?

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Reply #92 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:17pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:11pm:

The evidence is in the article, people can read it and comment, or they can do what you do and deflect.

No evidence of conflict of interest or corruption in the article. mere assertions. Wink

The conflict would only occur if he subsequently voted on the matter.

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:11pm:

Who said one should resign? Are you high?

Well that is the thread is it not Wilson (one) should resign. Not two, not all who are "corrupt". Wink

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Reply #93 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

No evidence of conflict of interest or corruption in the article. mere assertions. Wink

The conflict would only occur if he subsequently voted on the matter.

no, he doesn't have to vote on the matter for there to be a conflict of interest. Either way he has influence on what happens, what testimony he allows and disallows and how the final conclusions are presented. That alone is enough of a conflict of interest to warrant his dismissal.

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:17pm:

Well that is the thread is it not Wilson (one) should resign.

yes, that's how these forums work, we discuss one issue at a time, as they arise. How long have you been on these forums now and you still haven't worked it out?

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Reply #94 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:33pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

Either way he has influence on what happens, what testimony he allows and disallows and how the final conclusions are presented.

You do know he is only the chair? The deputy chair can call people also? As I said much earlier it is not uncommon for committees to give conflicting reports. He doesn't have any role in disallowing testimony (submissions) because the deputy chair can call them, in fact any member can call them.

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:26pm:

yes, that's how these forums work, we discuss one issue at a time, as they arise. How long have you been on these forums now and you still haven't worked it out?

Yes petal. And the only ones you luvvies want to resign are those not of the Labor persuasion. Talk about biases. Grin

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Reply #95 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:43am

Tim Wilson has mishandled this whole inquiry ... however, the rip-off of on average $5,000 annually from self-funded retirees is still a big issue.

It does hurt those at the low income end the hardest.

It's actually the type of policy that should be anathema to the true Labor ethos because it does clobber the ones at the low end along with the really wealthy ones.

Just shows how low Labor has sunk in its grab for cash.

The policy stinks and it could still blow up in Shorten's and Bowen's faces.

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Reply #96 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:33am

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:43am:

Tim Wilson has mishandled this whole inquiry ... however, the rip-off of on average $5,000 annually from self-funded retirees is still a big issue.

It does hurt those at the low income end the hardest.

It's actually the type of policy that should be anathema to the true Labor ethos because it does clobber the ones at the low end along with the really wealthy ones.

Just shows how low Labor has sunk in its grab for cash.

The policy stinks and it could still blow up in Shorten's and Bowen's faces.

You've been listening too much to the government's lying propaganda.

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Some of their cuts, both implemented and attempted:
* Direct cuts to the pension
* Increasing pension age to 70
* Cutting pension indexation
* Deeming interest rates significantly higher than market interest rates, forcing pensioners to spend their savings
* Cutting pensions for pensioners who travel overseas
* Cutting pensioner concessions
* Changing the assets test to cut the pension to 370,000 part pensioners
* Axing the energy supplement

They've been going after aged pensioners long and hard for the whole time they've been in office. And you actually believe them?

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Reply #97 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:34am

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

You do know he is only the chair?

only the chair? Cheesy

You do realise that puts him in charge right? It doesn't matter what others can do, it only matters what he can do.

lee wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Yes petal. And the only ones you luvvies want to resign are those not of the Labor persuasion. Talk about biases.

now you're talking through your arse again. It wouldn't be the first time I've called for a labor MP to resign. It just happens that the libs are more blatantly corrupt and as a result end up the topic of discussion more often.

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Reply #98 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:40am

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:34am:

only the chair? Cheesy Cheesy You do realise that puts him in charge right? It doesn't matter what others can do, it only matters what he can do.

Only in charge of procedure petal. It doesn't give him any authority on what submissions can/can't be made. You really don't understand the process; do you?

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:34am:

It wouldn't be the first time I've called for a labor MP to resign.

Ooh the one honest broker within the luvvie ranks? Grin

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Reply #99 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:42am

Bam wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:33am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:43am:

Tim Wilson has mishandled this whole inquiry ... however, the rip-off of on average $5,000 annually from self-funded retirees is still a big issue.

It does hurt those at the low income end the hardest.

It's actually the type of policy that should be anathema to the true Labor ethos because it does clobber the ones at the low end along with the really wealthy ones.

Just shows how low Labor has sunk in its grab for cash.

The policy stinks and it could still blow up in Shorten's and Bowen's faces.

You've been listening too much to the government's lying propaganda.

Why aren't you complaining as loudly and vociferously about the cuts that the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government made to the aged pension after Abbott lied through his teeth on national TV to promise "no cuts to pensions"?

Some of their cuts, both implemented and attempted:
* Direct cuts to the pension
* Increasing pension age to 70
* Cutting pension indexation
* Deeming interest rates significantly higher than market interest rates, forcing pensioners to spend their savings
* Cutting pensions for pensioners who travel overseas
* Cutting pensioner concessions
* Changing the assets test to cut the pension to 370,000 part pensioners
* Axing the energy supplement

They've been going after aged pensioners long and hard for the whole time they've been in office. And you actually believe them?

I was protesting about this franking Credit Tax return rip-off from retirees from the day it was announced. My opinion has nothing to do with the Government.

I was glad that Shorten buckled after the initial hue and cry to exempt pensioners, but it still hurts non-pensioners who are genuinely on low incomes.

The policy stinks and it might end up hurting Labor big time.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78145 Gender:	Re: Tim Wilson should resign ! Reply #100 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:02pm lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:40am: Only in charge of procedure petal. thankyou for finally seeing the light. lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:40am: Ooh the one honest broker within the luvvie ranks? maybe if you took your blinkers off you'd see more of it from others?
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Reply #101 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:43pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:02pm:

lee wrote Today at 9:40am:
Only in charge of procedure petal.

thankyou for finally seeing the light.

I already knew that. That doesn't show any conflict right? That would have to rely on the chair actually having "any authority on what submissions can/can't be made".

Never mind petal. GTF. ( Good Try - FAIL). Grin

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Reply #102 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:46pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

That doesn't show any conflict right?

sure it does.

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

That would have to rely on the chair actually having "any authority on what submissions can/can't be made".

authority? not influence? Cheesy

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:43pm:

Never mind petal. GTF. ( Good Try - FAIL).

Good of you to grade your performance Cheesy

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Reply #103 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:54pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:43am:
That doesn't show any conflict right?

sure it does.

You would have to expand on that and prove it. Wink

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:43am:
That would have to rely on the chair actually having "any authority on what submissions can/can't be made".

authority? not influence?

So Wilson can influence the Labor deputy chair and the other Labor members of the committee? Why; are they spineless or something? Grin

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:43am:
Never mind petal. GTF. ( Good Try - FAIL).

Good of you to grade your performance

Oh dear cognitive dissonance strikes the young John Smith yet again. Grin

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Reply #104 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:57pm

lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

You would have to expand on that and prove it.

no, I don't. lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

So Wilson can influence the Labor deputy chair and the other Labor members of the committee? Why; are they spineless or something? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Of course he can . Politicians do these things all day every day. Have you been living in a cave?
lee wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:54pm:

Oh dear cognitive dissonance strikes the young John Smith yet again.

you're grasping again

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