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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122063 Melbourne Gender:	Our power prices. Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:08pm It seems we are paying up to 3 times the price for power compared to the USA:
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Reply #1 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:45pm

Hazelwood in Victoria was privatised by the Libbos under Kennett.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station

Privatisation
Hazelwood Power Station and associated mine were privatised by the Kennett government in 1996
after many years of downsizing under a 'structural efficiency' model undertaken by the then state Liberal government.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Our power prices. Reply #2 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:46am My statement rings true, and it will get worse imo. Quote: "There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming" Ajax
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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Our power prices. Reply #3 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay.. SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ???? privatization and mismanagement might be the answer......
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21970 Gordon Gender:	Re: Our power prices. Reply #4 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:03pm Check out France much cheaper yet it's an expensive and highly taxed country. 75% nukes
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Reply #5 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

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Reply #6 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

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Reply #7 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

no thanks
Now replace the word Hazelwood with nuclear reactor , now add 20 years , at least u can turn off a coal generator..... Wink

would u trust our private sector or Public to safely maintain a Nuk power plant..... honestly. Cheesy

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Reply #8 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:23pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

no thanks
Now replace the word Hazelwood with nuclear reactor , now add 20 years , at least u can turn off a coal generator..... Wink

would u trust our private sector or Public to safely maintain a Nuk power plant..... honestly. Cheesy

I wouldn't that's why i never talk about them.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #9 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:28pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

no thanks
Now replace the word Hazelwood with nuclear reactor , now add 20 years , at least u can turn off a coal generator..... Wink

would u trust our private sector or Public to safely maintain a Nuk power plant..... honestly. Cheesy

I'd want a kickarse Govt regulator to have unlimited power and for the plants to be 51% govt owned.

And where did you get 20 years from? A modern plant would be virtually immoral as all components can be replaced

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Reply #10 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:37pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

no thanks
Now replace the word Hazelwood with nuclear reactor , now add 20 years , at least u can turn off a coal generator..... Wink

would u trust our private sector or Public to safely maintain a Nuk power plant..... honestly. Cheesy

Uranium nuclear power plants operate at high pressures -
normally 70 atmospheres!
They are nothing but time bombs waiting to explode.

That's why we need safe, cheap, Thorium power now.
A molten salt commercial Thorium reactor can't be made fast enough.

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Reply #11 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:40pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:37pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:22pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 11:54am:

and what's even weirder is America is spending a lot of money going to renewable energy and charge a 3rd of what we have to pay..
SO it's not renewables that r making us pay so much ????
privatization and mismanagement might be the answer...... Wink

It's purely the fault of Govt. -
selling off essential services to private industry.

Hazelwood was run into the ground
until it was no longer operational
by a French company and
then they ran away with all the loot.
Thanks Jeff Kennett.

We should build a nuke plant in WA,NSW,VIC,QLD.

no thanks
Now replace the word Hazelwood with nuclear reactor , now add 20 years , at least u can turn off a coal generator..... Wink

would u trust our private sector or Public to safely maintain a Nuk power plant..... honestly. Cheesy

Uranium nuclear power plants operate at high pressures -
normally 70 atmospheres!
They are nothing but time bombs waiting to explode.

That's why we need safe, cheap, Thorium power now.
A molten salt commercial Thorium reactor can't be made fast enough.

100 plants in the USA. When was the last incident?

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122063 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Our power prices. Reply #12 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:49pm Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:40pm: 100 plants in the USA. When was the last incident? 3 mile Island - it's only good management and luck that prevents the reactors exploding. Eventually neutrons cause neutron decay of metals - metal fatigue - and this will eventually cause one to blow up.
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Reply #13 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:59pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:40pm:

100 plants in the USA. When was the last incident?

3 mile Island -
it's only good management and luck that prevents the reactors exploding.
Eventually neutrons cause neutron decay of metals -
metal fatigue -
and this will eventually cause one to blow up.

No deaths and it was a gen1 reactor.
We'd get the newest gen4.

I'd hate to imagine the death toll from coal per year.

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Reply #14 - Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 1:07pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:59pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:49pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2019 at 12:40pm:

100 plants in the USA. When was the last incident?

3 mile Island -
it's only good management and luck that prevents the reactors exploding.
Eventually neutrons cause neutron decay of metals -
metal fatigue -
and this will eventually cause one to blow up.

No deaths and it was a gen1 reactor.
We'd get the newest gen4.

I'd hate to imagine the death toll from coal per year.

have you heard of neutron embrittlement?

Get an education from Bobby here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_embrittlement

That's not good when you have huge pressures and high temperatures.

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