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Reply #30 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 5:14pm
 
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/what-caused-the-blackouts-in-melbourne-and-do...


What caused the blackouts in Melbourne, and do Victorians need to get used to power cuts?

By Dan Harrison, Saturday January 26, 2019 - 12:34 EDT


At the same time, three electricity generation units at coal-fired power plants in the Latrobe Valley were out of action (two due to unexpected outages, one due to planned maintenance) which reduced the amount of available power.

To make matters worse, the hot weather reduced the efficiency of the coal-fired power stations that remained online, further reducing the available supply of electricity.

These problems removed about 1,800 megawatts of electricity from the grid.


Did the closure of the Hazelwood power station contribute to the situation?

Victorian Opposition Leader Michael O'Brien said on Friday Labor's policies had led to Hazelwood's closure, and the Coalition had warned this would leave the state exposed.

Hazelwood's closure in 2017 removed 1600 megawatts from Victoria's supply, but associate professor Liebman says this was an economic decision by its owners in a market that had more than enough power supply.

Mr McConnell said Hazelwood's closure had "not particularly" contributed to the power shortage in Victoria because the state had enough power without it, at least on paper.

He said were it not for the two unplanned outages at other Latrobe Valley plants, coupled with the extreme weather conditions, supply would have been sufficient.

"If you had a heatwave and one of those units failing, we would have been fine," he said.

"Or if we had two of the units failing, but it was not a heatwave, it would have been fine.

"The combination of all three meant that it was going to be a difficult day."


Ms D'Ambrosio said most of the 1800 megawatts of power capacity lost in the state on Friday was due to infrastructure failures in the state's coal and gas-fired power stations.
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Re: Load shedding of power in Melbourne
Reply #31 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:43am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:47am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:41am:
Power production in Vic at 10.40am

2918 MW from Brown Coal
979 MW from Gas
241 MW from Hydro
144 MW large solar
493 MW small solar
0 MW from Wind

https://reneweconomy.com.au/nem-watch/


Simple solution is to build more solar !! What's the problem ?



Cost and Toxic waste from Solar panels along with the fact solar doesn't work at night.

Stop smoking the stuff Elon smokes and educate yourself.

https://www.google.com.au/search?source=hp&ei=Sq5LXL2ZOpnRrQGa9qaYBg&q=solar+pan...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jun/0...
Efforts to undermine solar power
The first salvo came via a Forbes article written by Michael Shellenberger, who’s running a doomed campaign for California governor and really loves nuclear power. Shellenberger’s critique focused on the problem of potential waste at the end of a solar panel lifespan when the modules must be disposed or recycled. It’s a somewhat ironic concern from a proponent of nuclear power, which has a rather bigger toxic waste problem.
About 80% of a solar panel module can be recycled, but some portions cannot, and create potentially hazardous waste due to the presence of metals like cadmium and lead. The Electric Power Research Institute notes that long-term storage of used panels until recycling technologies become available may be the best option for dealing with this waste stream. Ultimately, it’s an issue that will need to be addressed as solar panels become more widespread and reach the end of their 25-plus year lifespan, much like the issue of nuclear waste. But it’s an issue that we should be able to resolve with smart policies and technologies.
Shellenberger also raised concerns about the possibility “that cadmium can be washed out of solar modules by rainwater.” But that’s only a problem for broken panels, which are relatively rare except perhaps in the wake a natural disaster like a hurricane or earthquake. In a disaster area, leaching of metals from some broken solar panels is the least of a city’s problems.

In short, it’s valid to note that end-of-life solar panel recycling and disposal is an issue that we’ll have to address smartly, but unlike climate change, it’s not a big or urgent concern

wow its not like u Baron to just post stuff up without finding the source and weather it scaremongering or truth Smiley Wink
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Reply #32 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:51am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:11am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:50am:
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A spokesperson for Citipower/PowerCor/United Energy, whose distribution areas cover most of western Victoria, Melbourne suburbs and the Mornington Peninsula, said 16,900 customers had lost power in the previous 24 hours but the number was down to a few hundred by Friday morning.

Jemena, which covers part of Melbourne's western suburbs, said about 2,500 customers had lost power at some stage with all but about 150 restored by Friday morning.

Grid at breaking point
AusNet Services, which ordered the Portland smelter to cut its power use between about 7.10 pm and 8.50 pm on Thursday after being told to shed power load urgently by AEMO, did not detail its residential outages in its coverage area of eastern Victoria.

Most of the residential outages were due to heat stress, damaged underground cables and business as usual issues such as animals or fallen branches on power lines.

The Portland smelter outage - which Alcoa complained was involuntary and not under its voluntary agreement with AEMO - was due to a slack of supply in the power grid as the extreme heat pushed demand beyond expectations in Victoria and South Australia.

The grid has been pushed to breaking point in southeastern Victoria by unscheduled plant failures at coal and gas power stations operated by EnergyAustralia and AGL Energy, and poor wind generation in SA during Thursday's oppressive heat which broke records in Adelaide and other SA towns.

Most of the 25,000 homes in Adelaide's western suburbs which were without power last night after localised problems with transformers after blistering heat, had electricity supplies restored by 8.30am.

SA Power Networks, the company which runs the poles and wires infrastructure in the state, said about 1,000 customers across the state were without power at 8.30am.

SA Power Networks said blown fuses on transformers in localised areas had been behind the localised outages on Thursday night. The temperature had still been 35 degrees at 10pm, before as cool change arrived.

Reliable power generation
The western suburb of Fulham Gardens was the worst affected, with up to 15,000 households without power because of a fault in a sub-station.

It comes as the ALP's spokesman on energy, Tom Koutsantonis, said Premier Steven Marshall should immediately halt plans to privatise the back-up diesel generators which AEMO ordered be turned on at 5.30pm on Thursday to inject extra power into the national grid because of supply shortfalls in Victoria.

Mr Koutsantonis and then Premier Jay Weatherill were behind a $550 million package of energy infrastructure measures in 2017 to bolster the fragile SA grid, with the back-up diesel generators part of that plan.

Thursday marked the first time they had been used in a commercial setting. One of the banks of large diesel generators is located at the former Holden car-making plant in Adelaide's northern suburbs.

Federal energy minister Angus Taylor said the conditions experienced over the last two weeks reinforce the need for investment in reliable generation.

"That is why the Government is backing in new reliable generation investment through its Underwriting New Generation Investments program and the Retailer Reliability Obligation," he said.


https://www.afr.com/news/victoria-faces-more-power-outages-as-extreme-heat-hits-...



Animals on power lines, does anyone believe this BS?


The government is saying renewables aren't reliable and we need reliable sources of electricity, Nuclear is cleaner compared to diesel and reliable it can also provide cheap off peak power so people can run their AC on hot nights.

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1024&bih=514&ei=f7ZMXNSoE4j39QOEg6mQCA&q=anima...
worldwide animals cause blackouts, so yes it happens Baron (thanks for the idea of using Google searches) Wink
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Re: Load shedding of power in Melbourne
Reply #33 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:53am
 
lee wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:13am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:57am:
Try mirrors and molten salts which also works at night



"Excess thermal energy is stored in the molten salt and can be used to generate power for up to ten hours, including during the evening hours and when direct sunlight is not available"

"Crescent Dunes began operation in September 2015,[14] but went off-line in October 2016 due to a leak in a molten salt tank. It returned to operation in July 2017.[15] While its average monthly production was expected to exceed 40,000 MWh, as of October 2018 it only exceeded half of that value during 8 months."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Project


Las Vegas has about 13 hours of sun in July. So at least 11 hours of dark.

But don't they use that power right after dark during the peak usage time  Wink
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Reply #34 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 6:05am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:22am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:18am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:08am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:04am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:01am:
Hey Bobby

I think energy corporations have an easy way out now.

ENGIE ran Hazelwood which required $400 million dollar upgrade to meet new pollution standards.

So ENGIE being the environmentally friendly corporation that it is closed Hazelwood stating that,

"Making climate policy a priority"

Easy way out no one will question a friend of the environment who shuts down a power station with old technology.

Hands up those that think corporations really do give 2 cents about the environment over profits......?




Hazelwood was run into the ground by a French company.
They wrung the last penny out of it and then ran away with the loot.


Yep that's what we should expect to happen with every major infrastructure in this country.

They will squeeze the life out of it and then head for the hills with the loot.



Yes - what can you expect from a limited liability company?

They made a fortune out of us and ran away.
They don't care about us now.


The power companies make more money from renewables, the subsidies offered make it far more attractive.

How about cutting all subsidies then the cheapest forms of power will win.

do u include all the tax breaks that fossil fuel companies get and exploration companies finding fossil fuels (we r talking billions of dollars each year)
Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens Smiley.....what breaks has adani for instance had to entice them to build.... free water.....incentives
So yes find all the hidden benefits that these industries have gotten over the years get rid of them all and see the results  Wink
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Reply #35 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 7:15am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 6:05am:
do u include all the tax breaks that fossil fuel companies get and exploration companies finding fossil fuels (we r talking billions of dollars each year)
Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens Smiley.....what breaks has adani for instance had to entice them to build.... free water.....incentives
So yes find all the hidden benefits that these industries have gotten over the years get rid of them all and see the results  Wink   



What results do you want to see?
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Reply #36 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:23am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 6:05am:
Sure level the playing field i say take away all incentives ,subsidies and tax breaks and make it all equal and see what happens



Which "tax breaks" would they be? Depreciation? Then they would claim all of that up front and pay no tax for many more years.

Exploration costs? You must tell us what you mean.

Does that then mean they no longer pay royalties to the states?
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