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Reply #30 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 1:06pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 11:38am:

Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.

We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. Wink

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Reply #31 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 2:34pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 11:38am:

Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.

We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. Wink

Stop breathing. That will help Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21054 Gender:	Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 ! Reply #32 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:05pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 2:34pm: Stop breathing I will eventually. Skep sci says our exhalations are merely a part of the carbon cycle and have already been counted. So if you believe that it is a nil sum game.
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 ! Reply #33 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:31pm lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:05pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 2:34pm: Stop breathing I will eventually. Skep sci says our exhalations are merely a part of the carbon cycle and have already been counted. So if you believe that it is a nil sum game. DO IT NOW !!!
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Reply #34 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:42pm

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 11:38am:

Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.

We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. Wink

why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21054 Gender:	Re: Israel to phase out ICE cars by 2030 ! Reply #35 - Jan 24^th, 2019 at 4:04pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:42pm: why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee Why do you continually misrepresent people?
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Reply #36 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 6:05am

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 4:04pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee

Why do you continually misrepresent people?

ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?
DO u think it effects our atmosphere and is warming it.... Wink

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Reply #37 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 8:39am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16^th, 2019 at 9:22pm:

Doesn't look like socko's posts of Tesla wrecks and car accidents has had any impact on Israel's decision to go all electric by 2030 !

Australia will probably be the last to phase them out because they like running their old clunkers for as long as they can whilst in other countries this is entirely illegal !

Re-cycling car battery business sounds ok....!

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Reply #38 - Jan 25^th, 2019 at 10:47am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 6:05am:

ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?

The science says it has some effect. It doesn't qualify as a "driver" let alone the "main driver".

But it is grossly overblown.

IF increasing CO2 is the "main driver" then increasing CO2 would not be able to overcome natural variation. And yet some years are still cooler than others. Wink

Hansen has said that the CO2 imbalance is 0.58W/m2, which is having an effect.

Solar irradiancen variation is 0.1% of 1360W/m2, which is 1.36W/m2, and apparently has no effect.

And the level of uncertainty for the energy fluxes is +/-17W/m2.

All those itty bits down in the noise.

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Reply #39 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 10:52am

lee wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 10:47am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 25^th, 2019 at 6:05am:

ok so where do u stand with the extra CO2 put in the atmosphere from fossil fuels being burnt by humans Lee ?

The science says it has some effect. It doesn't qualify as a "driver" let alone the "main driver".

But it is grossly overblown.

IF increasing CO2 is the "main driver" then increasing CO2 would not be able to overcome natural variation. And yet some years are still cooler than others. Wink

Hansen has said that the CO2 imbalance is 0.58W/m2, which is having an effect.

Solar irradiancen variation is 0.1% of 1360W/m2, which is 1.36W/m2, and apparently has no effect.

And the level of uncertainty for the energy fluxes is +/-17W/m2.

All those itty bits down in the noise.

and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution. What a coincidence Wink

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Reply #40 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:18am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 10:52am:

and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution.

1. Heatwaves - Coming out of an LIA. How bizarre.

2. Which more extreme weather events? Is that more frequent or more extreme or both? Do you have statistics to show that or mere bloviating?

3. Which species have been made extinct due to climate change as opposed to man?

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Reply #41 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 1:52pm

lee wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:18am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 10:52am:

and record heatwaves, more extreme weather events and species extinction somehow correspond well with the short period of the industrial revolution.

1. Heatwaves - Coming out of an LIA. How bizarre.

2. Which more extreme weather events? Is that more frequent or more extreme or both? Do you have statistics to show that or mere bloviating?

3. Which species have been made extinct due to climate change as opposed to man?

You mean species extinction due to man-made climate change all coinciding with the short period of the industrial revolution ?

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Reply #42 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 2:01pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 3:42pm:

lee wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 1:06pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Jan 24^th, 2019 at 11:38am:

Sweden is saying goodbye to cars with internal combustion engines. Prime Minister Stefan Löfven has now declared that no new cars with diesel or petrol engines will be sold after 2030.

We'll see what happens in 2030. Declarations are sooo easy to make.

And in the meantime CO2 goes up. Wink

why mention that when u don't believe C02 makes a difference Lee Cheesy

they don't like solar panel's and batteries either because they reckon their manufacture creates too much pollution, but all of the oil byproduct plastic sh.t scattered throughout the ocean is no problem for them Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #43 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 2:30pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 1:52pm:

You mean species extinction due to man-made climate change all coinciding with the short period of the industrial revolution ?

That's your claim. Back it up. And not with some fancy modelling job about the number of
unknown species extrapolated into known species so it must be worse than we thought. Wink

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Reply #44 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 2:34pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 2:01pm:

they don't like solar panel's and batteries either because they reckon their manufacture creates too much pollution, but all of the oil byproduct plastic sh.t scattered throughout the ocean is no problem for them

Oh no. The fabricated Great Pacific Gyre rears its ugly head again. But Hands up those who use oil based products, drive on oil based products.

Not just oil, diesel, gasoline and natural gas. But raincoats, rubber gloves, bitumen, plastic phone cases. Wink

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