Oh, indeed. If anything, their hate speech has increased since the attack. It's grown into a frenzied justification of neo-Nazi terrorism, along with the attempt to howl down comments on white supremacism.

Note how quiet FD's been on the subject. For him, Muslims present the biggest global threat to Western democracy.

FD will never admit that ethno-nationalism is a far bigger threat, despite the FBI and European terrorist watchdogs having pointed this out for years. 

Nationalist populism now represents a clear danger to Western values, not to mention the economy. Just look at what Brexit's done to the UK - or what Trump's done to the standing of the US. FD would rather chase you around over hypothetical 8th century killings than address the biggest existential threat to the Enlightenment tradition since the rise of fascism in the 1930s and its subsequent holocaust.

FD refuses to comment on Trump, Brexit or even last Friday's massacre - the only terrorist attack to have been carried out in New Zealand, and possibly Australia if you discount the Martin Place siege and the shooting of Andrew Chan. It certainly has the biggest death toll.

If we ever needed it, this massacre confirms the very real threat of white supremacism. Even Trump has commented on it, using the term "ethno-nationalism" for the first time.

But for FD - what sound does a jellyfish make?

Here's the thing ... you, Setanta, the rest of you .... the basic premise of your argument is wrong. You simply cannot be reasoned with because your foundation is polar extremes from where it needs to be to achieve the most beneficial outcome for the entire world, moving forward.

To you guys, it's all about sides. Us and them. Your targets rotate a little but it's always a dichotomy of warring sides.

The whole premise of everything you've said since Christchurch is that it happened to "them". The braver of you go on to say "for a change". Overlooking utterly that these were residents of New Zealand who have and had far more in common with you and i than some terrorist jihadi.

But you all lump them in with the terrorist jihadi because you draw a blank with their religion. As though that is the sum total of person.

I instead, when i think of Christchurch think of people, ostensibly like me, who were gunned down in a part of the world so unaccustomed to such things, people probably didn't joke about it being an outside prospect. It's also a country that shares very close ties with our country.

Most importantly, the killer was from here.

Now, we get back to sides. You have, by virtue of assessing Christchurch as an attack on "them" and even arguing positions of the murderer, assigned yourself a 'side' ... if sides are to be assigned. And it's you assigning them.

Feeling a bit sheepish now?

Whereas i, exactly as i have with every instance of loss of life owing to violence i have ever heard about in my living memory, taken the side of the victims.

They didn't cut off anyone's head. Or perform FGM. Or throw a gay off a building. They were, more than likely, law abiding Kiwis assembled to practice their faith that we can extrapolate from the overwhelming majority of those who share that faith, they intended to embody peacefully.

And these people are our brothers and sisters. They are not responsible for anything done in the contorted name of their religion.

For if you hold them to account for the sins of people they share a commonality with, then you must accept some responsibility for Tarrant.

You simply can't have it both ways.

I think we have had enough violence in our history to prove it DOESNT WORK>

CerealBrain is a 'gluten' for punishment and has attracted creatures from the trees to the smelly piles he deposits.

Whinge. whinge. whinge and whine, that is all we hear from the Xenophobes.

What they refuse to recognise is that Australia has a reducing birthrate.   Therefore, we have an aging population.  With fewer young people to support the older generation(s) in their old age.   Without migration, we would be well and truly stuffed.   Without third world immigrants, we would have no one willing to do the dirty jobs they don't want to do.  These are facts of life in 21st century Australian society.

We are not a self-sustaining population.  We are not a self-sustaining society.   We are not isolated from the rest of the world and it's political and immigration movements.   We can control the numbers that come and we can, to a lesser extent the places they come from.   

No immigration group has failed to assimilate, despite what the Islamophobes and Racists claim.   Ever immigration group has been subjected to the same slurs and hatreds, be they Irish or Italian or Greek or Yugoslav or Lebanese or Indochinese or Muslim or African all they are received with is hatred from the no-hopers who cannot or will not compete with them and expect an easy life handed to them on a platter.   Tsk, tsk.   

we do get a fair share of rain gordy   we just dont know how to save it for future use..we have amazing resources ... even snow....but we are a nation of "waste' 

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