Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2019 at 7:49am:


But their ignorance of what the Government does will soon be corrected when vital services they need disappear like what is starting to happen now.

Ignorance has always been the best friend of the anti-big Government crowd.

Sadly it's only personal suffering that change the minds of the average Fox News viewer or Trump supporter, but as always, it's too late by then.

It's looking like, from the point of view of the National Parks etc, it's going to take millions of additional dollars to undo the damage that's been done.  There is no way they're going to get any additional funding for that.

What happens when more vital services start going down this path?

Even if the individual pay of the workers is back paid, where do these additional millions come from?

The majority of Americans see a billionaire president screwing over workers, Aquascoot. That's not a perception, it's been polled. 20 to 30% of voters are in favour of the shut down - the usual Trump loyalists. The rest of Americans are overwhelmingly against it, and many of the Trump loyalists are coming round.

Forgive me for saying this, but how do you get it wrong so consistently?

Karnal wrote on Jan 11^th, 2019 at 9:48am:


Cliff's made it an art form.

So who won the bingo?

Spot

Karnal wrote on Jan 11^th, 2019 at 11:27am:


both,

steve and janeen need to have one foot in chaos and one foot in order.
mr trump keeps everyone guessing
he is a paradox
he is playing at a higher paradigm
he plays "push/pull' with everyone with whom he interacts.
this is how you persuade.
he pulls the rug out from under people
this is how you keep them alert and prevent the durr state
he is one of the most persuasive people ever studied.

now think of america as a "client" who need a "lawyer".
do you want some beige shchmuck in a suit who is a goody two shoes (obama)
or do you want some rabid maniac who represents the mob and has a really shady past but who seems to crush it at "persuading" the jury (trump).

america is served better by having the latter.
a guy with killer instincts and rat cunning.

be honest karnal, you thought he would last 2 months as president and yet HERE WE ARE.
hows that impeachment looking 
any day soon according to longy and gweggy and skippy .

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2019 at 2:42pm:


Mr Trump keeps everybody guessing because he doesn't know himself, dear. How can he be giving Fat Steve and Janeen what they want, and at the same time making an unpopular decision they don't like?

Mr Trump is giving Hannity and Judge Jeanine what they want. They don't really care about the Wall, of course, they just tell him he'll lose his credibility with Fat Steve and Janeen if he doesn't pretend to try.

His speech? Mr Trump admitted he was talked into it. He never wanted to sit there reading an autocue, and he was right to think it would convince no one. The shutdown? Mr Trump's just holding off opening up the government again. He knows Congress won't budge. He's just praying for a miracle to allow him to save face.

You know, a war would be good, or a decent terrorist attack. Maybe even a race riot. Mr Trump can then pay the cops to go in and kick some black butt. Then, everyone can forget about the shutdown, like they forgot about Pussygate or Charlottesville or Moscow.

Or the ballooning deficit, or replacing Obamacare, or the ten percent tax cut by as early as next week - all those things Mr Trump promises then forgets. Where are those 15,000 troops amassed at the southern border now? No one knows.

And before you say only the beltway care about this stuff, Americans have health care. They pay taxes. They're in the army that was mobilised at the southern border to help lay down some razor wire and go back home after an erection.

Fat Steve and Janeen don't think that's masterful, they think it's ridiculous. They see someone cheating them and not even seeming to care whether they catch on or not.

Remember Tony Abbott? All he had to do was get caught out lying on all his pre-erection budget commitments, and flop, that was it. All it took was a federal budget. Mr Abbott went from being a "conviction politician" to being one of those lying politicians no one can trust.

Mr Trump is now responsible for the longest government shut down in US history. He's responsible for freezing the wages of 800,000 workers over Christmas. He's doing this for his own vanity project - something 60% of voters are dead against, and 10% don't even care about. And he's telling people he "understands" what those workers and their families are going through and pretending it's all for a good cause.

People don't want leaders who play "masterful" games with their wages. They want leaders they can trust. So I'm curious. How can anyone trust Mr Trump's word now?

aquascoot wrote on Jan 11^th, 2019 at 2:42pm:


How about someone capable of doing the job and not an unhinged lunatic with a skin so thin it's translucent who is easily manipulated by other world leaders and doesn't make the country look like a laughing stock implementing the type of policies and making the type of decisions that resulted in the bankruptcy of many of his former business and maybe, just maybe someone who would listen to the experts over his gut and doesn't think he's an expert at everything and always the smartest person in the room?

So, yeah, Obama, or my dog over someone like that.

Someone like Trump.

You may see it as a popularity contest where honesty doesn't matter and appealing to emotions is all that does, and this is partly true for the elections.

But what then?  The winner has to actually lead, has to govern, has to honour their campaign pledges and work towards making their vision for the country a reality.

Trump only looked forward to see what's best for himself and his stunning lack of policy and competence is only more proof of that.

He's great at taking credit for others work, rebranding things and then claiming even though they're much the same, they're now somehow better, and going back on his word, lying about the things he said he would do and lying more about the things he will do.

These are some of the worst quality of a Scout Troop leader, let alone the President.

And I'm calling it now, because I saw what you said about Obama, what you said about Clinton, the moment the Dems are back in power, you'll start caring about the truth again.  You'll start attacking people for their lies.

You're only defending Trump because you see in him a way back to the "good old days" where the coloureds and the womens knew their place.

Well, he lied to you about that too.  He'll take advantage of anyone for his own personal gain, not just the groups you don't like.

The Shutdown is yet another example of that.