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Re: Not Small Hands
Reply #45 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 12:05am

Aussie, you haven't responded to my post.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545813784/39#39

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

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CRIMINAL CODE 1899 - SECT 271
Self-defence against unprovoked assault
271 Self-defence against unprovoked assault

(1) When a person is unlawfully assaulted, and has not provoked the assault, it is lawful for the person to use such force to the assailant as is reasonably necessary to make effectual defence against the assault, if the force used is not intended, and is not such as is likely, to cause death or grievous bodily harm.

(2) If the nature of the assault is such as to cause reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm, and the person using force by way of defence believes, on reasonable grounds, that the person can not otherwise preserve the person defended from death or grievous bodily harm, it is lawful for the person to use any such force to the assailant as is necessary for defence, even though such force may cause death or grievous bodily harm.

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As I've stated before, his assault was over, he was just standing there, you were no longer in any danger, there was no need to defend yourself from anything as the assault was not ongoing, he was not launching any more drink bottles, he was not coming towards you in a threatening manner. You then assaulted him in retaliation instead of just calling the authorities to deal with it.

edit: I'd take Graps side in his case as the kid still had an iron bar in his hand threatening him. Your case is different.

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Reply #46 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 12:27am

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

well thats not true now is it? You would have been charged with assault. The law allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself, i am very familiar with use of force laws, I get retrained in this legislation every 6 months or so. While QLD laws may vary slightly they are much the same as where I live. You didnt defend yourself, you retaliated. You were in no physical danger, very easy to remove yourself from the situation. And you assaulted someone whom the law regards as a child. There is zero doubt that had a complaint been made you would have been facing a possible jail term. the law doesnt condone revenge attacks as you are trying to make out. And you know it, so cut the cr@p. Your narcissism allowed you to relate the story here on this forum, trying to make yourself the big man, back fired badly on you didnt it.

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Re: Not Small Hands
Reply #47 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 7:53am

Cu Chulainn wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 4:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

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CRIMINAL CODE 1899 - SECT 271
Self-defence against unprovoked assault
271 Self-defence against unprovoked assault

(1) When a person is unlawfully assaulted, and has not provoked the assault, it is lawful for the person to use such force to the assailant as is reasonably necessary to make effectual defence against the assault, if the force used is not intended, and is not such as is likely, to cause death or grievous bodily harm.

(2) If the nature of the assault is such as to cause reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm, and the person using force by way of defence believes, on reasonable grounds, that the person can not otherwise preserve the person defended from death or grievous bodily harm, it is lawful for the person to use any such force to the assailant as is necessary for defence, even though such force may cause death or grievous bodily harm.

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Link.

As I've stated before, his assault was over, he was just standing there, you were no longer in any danger, there was no need to defend yourself from anything as the assault was not ongoing, he was not launching any more drink bottles, he was not coming towards you in a threatening manner. You then assaulted him in retaliation instead of just calling the authorities to deal with it.

edit: I'd take Graps side in his case as the kid still had an iron bar in his hand threatening him. Your case is different.

I can't believe I am replying to sheer ignorant stupidity...but.

There are two matters you need to take in to account.

1. I was not to know whether he had more in mind. I neutralised him before he had a chance to go again.

2. I am entitled to take him into custody to have him dealt with. I released him the instant he gave me his ID, and I was satisfied he had nothing else to attack me with.

If that shithead was your Son, what action would you have taken when you became aware of what he did? And, would you have paid for the damage to my property or would you have made him pay, or is that my problem?

If you see a person damaging your Kingswood, they see you and flee, do you reckon you must just stand there and allow them to disappear, or do you think you are entitled to chase after them and take them into your custody to be dealt with by authority?

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Re: Not Small Hands
Reply #48 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 7:58am

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

Cods, you take stupidity levels way off the meter. Really. It is no wonder you tell us about how argumentative your Mob is, and you have even as recently as this Christmas

[quote author=cods link=1545808227/90#90 date=1545893126]CRIMINAL CODE 1899 - SECT 245
assault
245 assault

(1) A person who strikes, touches, or moves, or otherwise applies force of any kind to, the person of another, either directly or indirectly, without the other person’s consent, or with the other person’s consent if the consent is obtained by fraud, or who by any bodily act or gesture attempts or threatens to apply force of any kind to the person of another without the other person’s consent, under such circumstances that the person making the attempt or threat has actually or apparently a present ability to effect the person’s purpose, is said to assault that other person, and the act is called an
"assault" .

(2) In this section—

"applies force" includes the case of applying heat, light, electrical force, gas, odour, or any other substance or thing whatever if applied in such a degree as to cause injury or personal discomfort.

Now cods...if your grandson had acted in that sort or retarded manner, would you agree that he was acting in a criminal fashion? Or is he special?

if it wasnt so shameful it would be hilarious

What is cods? You did not answer the question either. Why is that?
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you are using SELF DEFENCE LAWS.....

I see not one word about children....I see not one word on disabled children....

That's right cods......even disabled children who assault others are fair game...provided the return is commensurate. And....there was no disabled kid involved in this incident. The only thing disabled here seems to be your capacity to read and accept the facts as they are given to you. You prefer to just make them up.

SO YOU ADMIT QLD DOESNT HAVE JUVENILE LAWS...EVERYONE IS TREATED AS AN ADULT.. GOT IT!

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Section 274 of the Criminal Code 1899 provides that it is lawful for a person to use reasonable force to resist a trespasser taking their property provided the person does not do grievous bodily harm to the trespasser.[/quote]

did this child trespass not really you do not even know if it was the actually child that threw the can/bottle you took another childs word for it..... Roll Eyes

That was contained in the 'General' broad brush explanation from the Link. It is not specifically relevant, but it is part of what happened indirectly...the arsehole damaged my property. And you do not give a stuff about that fact.

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ELL AT LEAST YOU DIDNT CALL HIM A RETARD AGAIN......SINCE WHEN DIDNT I CARE ABOUT YOU POOR TAXI?......AS I SAID MORE THAN ONCE REPORT HIM TO THE HEAD HONCHO BY ALL MEANS YOU ARE WELL WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS.......REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.....AGAIN I AM FINE WITH THAT....TOUCH THE BOY GET IN HIS FACE... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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seriously would Qld self defence laws cover you.???...OMG>...

Absolutely.

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now of course we go into deflecting mode....

i would never agree anyones child acted in a criminal manner... as a child I am sure I threw things I am sure you did but was never treated like a criminal...

Not once in my life have a thrown a heavy (or light) object at a person I did not know. Have you cods? If so...why did you do that?

we played with home made bows and arrows....we played war games....I am sure we threw a few things... NOT IN ANGER

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and you sir had it been my grandson you man handled believe it it would have gone further..

That's your problem. You would have ignored his assault, his wilful damage to my property and gone all cuddly "there there Dear" instead of kicking the little schits arse. Right there is telling, cods.

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you would never be allowed within sc hool grounds ever again.. let alone get paid for it...

Yes cods...sane, rational people would agree with me and what I did. Idiots would encourage little schits to have another go at the Cabbies...the Ambos....the Coppers.....or any other adults there going lawfully about their business.

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are you so convinced you are correct and right..and have not a thing to fear from the law...

Absolutely. The School dealt with the student. As they rightly ought to have done. If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

[quote]would you tell us the school and when this happened so it can be verified......????????

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Re: Not Small Hands
Reply #49 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:08am

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seriously would Qld self defence laws cover you.???...OMG>...

Absolutely.

WOW ATTACKED BY A DISABLED CHILD AND YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU LIKE WITH HIM .. AMAZING.

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now of course we go into deflecting mode....

i would never agree anyones child acted in a criminal manner... as a child I am sure I threw things I am sure you did but was never treated like a criminal...

Not once in my life have a thrown a heavy (or light) object at a person I did not know. Have you cods? If so...why did you do that?

WE PLAYED TOUGH GAMES AS A CHILD HOMEMADE SLINGSHOTS BOWS AND ARROWS.. WAR GAMES I AM SURE WE THREW A FEW THINGS WHILST PLAYING..

NEVER IN RAGE OR ANGER THOUGH.. THERE IN LIES THE DIFFERENCE

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and you sir had it been my grandson you man handled believe it it would have gone further..

That's your problem. You would have ignored his assault, his wilful damage to my property and gone all cuddly "there there Dear" instead of kicking the little schits arse. Right there is telling, cods.

HIS ASSAULT WAS PETTY COMPARED TO YOURS...

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you would never be allowed within sc hool grounds ever again.. let alone get paid for it...

Yes cods...sane, rational people would agree with me and what I did. Idiots would encourage little schits to have another go at the Cabbies...the Ambos....the Coppers.....or any other adults there going lawfully about their business.

I DONT KNOW OF ANYONE WHOS AGREED WITH YOU EVEN YOUR BESTIES

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are you so convinced you are correct and right..and have not a thing to fear from the law...

Absolutely. The School dealt with the student. As they rightly ought to have done. If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

I DISAGREE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN IN COURT ON A CHARGE

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would you tell us the school and when this happened so it can be verified......????????..

I am sure you know the childs name as well....I know a teacher in Qld I can ask them to verify if at least taxis are still picking up disabled children......

Sure, I'll exchange that detail with you as soon as you give me all your details, and those of your Family so I can get Canberra authorities to check your lot out, carefully.

WHAT HAS MY FAMILY GOT TO DO WITH ANYTHING.....YOU HAVE M Y PERSONAL DETAILS...I AM SURE A PERSON OF YOUR TALENT WOULD FIND ... ANYTHING THERE IS TO FIND...IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY....THAT IS.

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I find that difficult to accept to be honest..

Of course, you do. You find anything, almost everything (unless it's about you and your view) 'hard to accept to be honest.'

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but if you think those law apply to children.....I would prefer laws on juveniles..

Laws apply to everyone cods, including arsehole High School students who randomly assault people and damage their property.
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SO HOW MUCH DID IT COST TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE TO THE TAXI... AND HOW ENDED UP PAYING FOR IT..

you are so incensed by this act I am sure you didnt let that monster get away without paying for the repairs

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Re: Not Small Hands
Reply #50 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:14am

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 12:27am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

well thats not true now is it? You would have been charged with assault. The law allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself, i am very familiar with use of force laws, I get retrained in this legislation every 6 months or so. While QLD laws may vary slightly they are much the same as where I live. You didnt defend yourself, you retaliated. You were in no physical danger, very easy to remove yourself from the situation. And you assaulted someone whom the law regards as a child. There is zero doubt that had a complaint been made you would have been facing a possible jail term. the law doesnt condone revenge attacks as you are trying to make out. And you know it, so cut the cr@p. Your narcissism allowed you to relate the story here on this forum, trying to make yourself the big man, back fired badly on you didnt it.

he conveniently claims this doesnt exist..

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/1/29/queensland-juvenile-justice-ref...

Monday, January 29, 2018
Queensland juvenile justice reforms announced last year will commence on February 12
Queensland will treat 17 year-olds under Youth Justice laws instead of as adults from February 12, delivering on a Palaszczuk Government promise and bringing the state into line with legislation in all other Australian jurisdictions.

The change follows the passing of the Youth Justice and Other Legislation (Inclusion of 17-year-old Persons) Amendment Act by the Queensland Parliament in 2016, to amend the age that a person can be charged as an adult from 17 to 18 years of age.

Minister for Child Safety, Youth and Women, Di Farmer, said implementation of the reforms fulfilled the government’s commitment to breaking the cycle of youth offending.

“The Palaszczuk Government will continue to drive reforms that tackle the causes and the consequences of offending by children and young people,” Ms Farmer said.

“We will do everything we can to turn them away from a life of crime and the harms and costs to the community that results.

“Instead we want these kids safe, educated, employed, playing sport and healthy, and not offending.

“We can’t give up on them having a brighter future.”

YOU LOSE AUSSIE..

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39545 Gender:	Re: Not Small Hands Reply #51 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:15am You are posting crap on Laws you know fuq all about, so there is no point engaging further on that with you. I paid to repair the panel cods. The shithead kid did not and neither did his arsehole parents. Maybe I ought to have taken it out of their hides, ey cods?
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Reply #52 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:19am

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:14am:

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 12:27am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

well thats not true now is it? You would have been charged with assault. The law allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself, i am very familiar with use of force laws, I get retrained in this legislation every 6 months or so. While QLD laws may vary slightly they are much the same as where I live. You didnt defend yourself, you retaliated. You were in no physical danger, very easy to remove yourself from the situation. And you assaulted someone whom the law regards as a child. There is zero doubt that had a complaint been made you would have been facing a possible jail term. the law doesnt condone revenge attacks as you are trying to make out. And you know it, so cut the cr@p. Your narcissism allowed you to relate the story here on this forum, trying to make yourself the big man, back fired badly on you didnt it.

he conveniently claims this doesnt exist..

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/1/29/queensland-juvenile-justice-ref...

Monday, January 29, 2018
Queensland juvenile justice reforms announced last year will commence on February 12
Queensland will treat 17 year-olds under Youth Justice laws instead of as adults from February 12, delivering on a Palaszczuk Government promise and bringing the state into line with legislation in all other Australian jurisdictions.

The change follows the passing of the Youth Justice and Other Legislation (Inclusion of 17-year-old Persons) Amendment Act by the Queensland Parliament in 2016, to amend the age that a person can be charged as an adult from 17 to 18 years of age.

Minister for Child Safety, Youth and Women, Di Farmer, said implementation of the reforms fulfilled the government’s commitment to breaking the cycle of youth offending.

“The Palaszczuk Government will continue to drive reforms that tackle the causes and the consequences of offending by children and young people,” Ms Farmer said.

“We will do everything we can to turn them away from a life of crime and the harms and costs to the community that results.

“Instead we want these kids safe, educated, employed, playing sport and healthy, and not offending.

“We can’t give up on them having a brighter future.”

YOU LOSE AUSSIE..

Jayzuz you are a pair of complete fools. If he was under 17, that does not make him invulnerable to being appropriately resisted and taken very briefly into custody, as I did.

Further, the incident occurred many years ago...well before Palaszczuk.

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Reply #53 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:23am

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:19am:

cods wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:14am:

rhino wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 12:27am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 27^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

If I had gone to the Cops, the schit head, not me, would have been in Court.

well thats not true now is it? You would have been charged with assault. The law allows you to use reasonable force to defend yourself, i am very familiar with use of force laws, I get retrained in this legislation every 6 months or so. While QLD laws may vary slightly they are much the same as where I live. You didnt defend yourself, you retaliated. You were in no physical danger, very easy to remove yourself from the situation. And you assaulted someone whom the law regards as a child. There is zero doubt that had a complaint been made you would have been facing a possible jail term. the law doesnt condone revenge attacks as you are trying to make out. And you know it, so cut the cr@p. Your narcissism allowed you to relate the story here on this forum, trying to make yourself the big man, back fired badly on you didnt it.

he conveniently claims this doesnt exist..

http://statements.qld.gov.au/Statement/2018/1/29/queensland-juvenile-justice-ref...

Monday, January 29, 2018
Queensland juvenile justice reforms announced last year will commence on February 12
Queensland will treat 17 year-olds under Youth Justice laws instead of as adults from February 12, delivering on a Palaszczuk Government promise and bringing the state into line with legislation in all other Australian jurisdictions.

The change follows the passing of the Youth Justice and Other Legislation (Inclusion of 17-year-old Persons) Amendment Act by the Queensland Parliament in 2016, to amend the age that a person can be charged as an adult from 17 to 18 years of age.

Minister for Child Safety, Youth and Women, Di Farmer, said implementation of the reforms fulfilled the government’s commitment to breaking the cycle of youth offending.

“The Palaszczuk Government will continue to drive reforms that tackle the causes and the consequences of offending by children and young people,” Ms Farmer said.

“We will do everything we can to turn them away from a life of crime and the harms and costs to the community that results.

“Instead we want these kids safe, educated, employed, playing sport and healthy, and not offending.

“We can’t give up on them having a brighter future.”

YOU LOSE AUSSIE..

Jayzuz you are a pair of complete fools. If he was under 17, that does not make him invulnerable to being appropriately resisted and taken very briefly into custody, as I did.

Further, the incident occurred many years ago...well before Palaszczuk.

huhummm shes retrospecting it OZ....

and you said everyone comes under the ADULT LAW.. and thats no so.... Sad

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Reply #54 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:26am

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 8:15am:

You are posting crap on Laws you know fuq all about, so there is no point engaging further on that with you.

I paid to repair the panel cods. The shithead kid did not and neither did his arsehole parents.

Maybe I ought to have taken it out of their hides, ey cods?

so what he did wasnt that bad even though had you been mean enough you could have dragged him through the courts..

no pet if your within your rights to claim he pay for the damage I would suggest sending the bill to the school as they had duty of care.....never take it out on someones hide...never ever

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Reply #56 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:11am

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

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huhummm shes retrospecting it OZ....

and you said everyone comes under the ADULT LAW.. and thats no so.... Sad Sad Sad

They do......are the scene of the crime......later, they may be dealt with in different Courts.

you know nothiing about the law- I have never believed you- you try to sound lawyer like- you are just a thug who is to cowardly to manhandle a grown man his own size- stop lying to everyone-

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Reply #57 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:17am

Agnes wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:11am:

Aussie wrote on Dec 28^th, 2018 at 9:14am:

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huhummm shes retrospecting it OZ....

and you said everyone comes under the ADULT LAW.. and thats no so.... Sad Sad Sad

They do......are the scene of the crime......later, they may be dealt with in different Courts.

you know nothiing about the law- I have never believed you- you try to sound lawyer like- you are just a thug who is to cowardly to manhandle a grown man his own size- stop lying to everyone-

My legal qualifications have been proven Agnes. You'll just have to "suck it up Princess."

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Not Small Hands Reply #58 - Dec 28^th, 2018 at 10:25am never has and never will believe you-" law dog"- one long story you have spun or everyone to save you from irrelevancy- googling as you go- go away idiot- and or that you to try to spin this whole sorry story so you have any credibility what ever is unbelievable
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