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Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:46pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!

What happened to "paying off debt"? Or was that another Coalition LIE?
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Reply #16 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm
 
I think it would be a political suicide and gross miscalculation if the coalition brings out surplus in may.  Because as it stands, in order to do that, there have to be deep cuts.   So the question is where the cuts is going to come from?

If they make cuts to concessions to the big businesses, - then, they are shooting at their feet.
If they make further cuts to the poor, the sick, the old and the unemployed, then, labor is going to have a field day, and they will be wiped out at the election which is like weeks after the budget. 

The only way out at the moment, is to introduce some sweeteners for middle class, and the working class.  Dont make harsh cuts to the welfare.  Perhaps go on a less than expected deficit, with projections to surplus in 2 years time.   Then, there may be some chance if they sell it right.
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Reply #17 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
I think it would be a political suicide and gross miscalculation if the coalition brings out surplus in may.  Because as it stands, in order to do that, there have to be deep cuts.   So the question is where the cuts is going to come from?

If they make cuts to concessions to the big businesses, - then, they are shooting at their feet.
If they make further cuts to the poor, the sick, the old and the unemployed, then, labor is going to have a field day, and they will be wiped out at the election which is like weeks after the budget. 

The only way out at the moment, is to introduce some sweeteners for middle class, and the working class.  Dont make harsh cuts to the welfare.  Perhaps go on a less than expected deficit, with projections to surplus in 2 years time.   Then, there may be some chance if they sell it right. 

Unfortunately, the punters have been hoodwinked into the paradigm of "Surplus = good, deficit = bad". If one takes pause to examine the accounting side it simply means that Government surplus = private sector deficit". About time the truth was told.

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Reply #18 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:46pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!

What happened to "paying off debt"? Or was that another Coalition LIE?


A surplus is not a prerequisite for retiring debt.
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Reply #19 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:01pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:55pm:
I think it would be a political suicide and gross miscalculation if the coalition brings out surplus in may.  Because as it stands, in order to do that, there have to be deep cuts.   So the question is where the cuts is going to come from?

If they make cuts to concessions to the big businesses, - then, they are shooting at their feet.
If they make further cuts to the poor, the sick, the old and the unemployed, then, labor is going to have a field day, and they will be wiped out at the election which is like weeks after the budget. 

The only way out at the moment, is to introduce some sweeteners for middle class, and the working class.  Dont make harsh cuts to the welfare.  Perhaps go on a less than expected deficit, with projections to surplus in 2 years time.   Then, there may be some chance if they sell it right. 

Unfortunately, the punters have been hoodwinked into the paradigm of "Surplus = good, deficit = bad". If one takes pause to examine the accounting side it simply means that Government surplus = private sector deficit". About time the truth was told.




Boom!

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Reply #20 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!


You know why every new road is a tollway?
You know why infrastructure is 20 years behind where it should be?
You know why public hospitals are ALWAYS on the brink of collapse under the weight of patients?

Because tight arsed entitled people such as yourself ALWAYS think the $2.30 p/week(if your lucky) you'll actually get back in these "TAX CUTS" is better off in your pocket than providing services such as above.

You know there is a country available to your so called independent values where the user pays for EVERYTHING & it's not some far off 3rd world sh!thole (to paraphrase someone)

Its the USA, off you go

But I doubt you will, because when your sick you'll use medicare (even if you have PHI because.....excess)
You'll be the first to scream if you government(read taxpayer) funded pension is cut
Because like all these "better off in my pocket" nutjobs, your the 1st in line for a handout/subsidy/rebate etc call it what you want, it's a WELFARE(another dirty word IYO) from taxpayers.
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Reply #21 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:05pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!


You know why every new road is a tollway?
You know why infrastructure is 20 years behind where it should be?
You know why public hospitals are ALWAYS on the brink of collapse under the weight of patients?

Because tight arsed entitled people such as yourself ALWAYS think the $2.30 p/week(if your lucky) you'll actually get back in these "TAX CUTS" is better off in your pocket than providing services such as above.

You know there is a country available to your so called independent values where the user pays for EVERYTHING & it's not some far off 3rd world sh!thole (to paraphrase someone)

Its the USA, off you go

But I doubt you will, because when your sick you'll use medicare (even if you have PHI because.....excess)
You'll be the first to scream if you government(read taxpayer) funded pension is cut
Because like all these "better off in my pocket" nutjobs, your the 1st in line for a handout/subsidy/rebate etc call it what you want, it's a handout from taxpayers.


Tax cuts aren't always revenue negative over time. Some of them have very significant deadweight losses.
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Reply #22 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:06pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!


You know why every new road is a tollway?
You know why infrastructure is 20 years behind where it should be?
You know why public hospitals are ALWAYS on the brink of collapse under the weight of patients?

Because tight arsed entitled people such as yourself ALWAYS think the $2.30 p/week(if your lucky) you'll actually get back in these "TAX CUTS" is better off in your pocket than providing services such as above.

You know there is a country available to your so called independent values where the user pays for EVERYTHING & it's not some far off 3rd world sh!thole (to paraphrase someone)

Its the USA, off you go

But I doubt you will, because when your sick you'll use medicare (even if you have PHI because.....excess)
You'll be the first to scream if you government(read taxpayer) funded pension is cut
Because like all these "better off in my pocket" nutjobs, your the 1st in line for a handout/subsidy/rebate etc call it what you want, it's a handout from taxpayers.


Yes...time for a very deep breath and to suck it up.  We need to get that national debt fixed before worrying about tax cuts.
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Reply #23 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:09pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:06pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:23pm:
Bam wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:32am:
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.

I agree. Surpluses are overrated. How many did the Liberals' champion Menzies deliver? None.

Surpluses are usually a sign of problems somewhere in the economy.


Tax cuts are likely to be announced which will put money back in the pockets of people who earn it. Better than Shorten pumping 500m into the smacking UN!!!!


You know why every new road is a tollway?
You know why infrastructure is 20 years behind where it should be?
You know why public hospitals are ALWAYS on the brink of collapse under the weight of patients?

Because tight arsed entitled people such as yourself ALWAYS think the $2.30 p/week(if your lucky) you'll actually get back in these "TAX CUTS" is better off in your pocket than providing services such as above.

You know there is a country available to your so called independent values where the user pays for EVERYTHING & it's not some far off 3rd world sh!thole (to paraphrase someone)

Its the USA, off you go

But I doubt you will, because when your sick you'll use medicare (even if you have PHI because.....excess)
You'll be the first to scream if you government(read taxpayer) funded pension is cut
Because like all these "better off in my pocket" nutjobs, your the 1st in line for a handout/subsidy/rebate etc call it what you want, it's a handout from taxpayers.


Yes...time for a very deep breath and to suck it up.  We need to get that national debt fixed before worrying about tax cuts.


Already been mentioned but surpluses are not required to pay down debt.
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Reply #24 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:25pm
 
I think the public have since moved on from Suplus is good, deficit is bad mentality.  Right now, people want to pay down the debt, but they are just looking to see what sort of cuts is going to be associated with the surplus.   Labor is playing the game of against tax cuts for big business, saving it for the average battler.  Liberal is playing the game of giving cuts for big business to get jobs to the average joe.   Before, when there is mining boom, it may work because they can also afford to give handouts to the middle class.  But when that is finished, and labour managed to stablize its internal rift, Liberal is then in free fall. 
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Reply #25 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 10:32pm
 
The Morrison Government must go!!!

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More mirage than good management, MYEFO fails to hit its own targets

The Morrison government wants next year’s election to be about economic management.

So understandably, it’s using the improved bottom line in the Mid Year Economic and Fiscal Outlook (MYEFO) to talk up its economic credentials.

But the numbers in MYEFO show it has failed to hit many of its own targets.


Huh Huh Huh

https://theconversation.com/more-mirage-than-good-management-myefo-fails-to-hit-...
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Reply #26 - Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:22am
 
You don't need a surplus to pay down debt; you just need growth.

The government should be spending every cent it receives, otherwise we are paying surplus tax that buys us nothing. By all means, reduce the deficit after the economy picks up, but a surplus is waste.

Too many idiots still believe the lie that the federal budget is comparable to a household budget.
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Reply #27 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 8:46am
 
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Reply #28 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 9:51am
 
** still laughing**
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Reply #29 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 8:56pm
 
crocodile wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:23am:
Surplus = Tax revenue not spent. Sounds wonderful that we hand over more dosh to these lovely fellas than they actually spend.


It does give them the opportunity to spend some on what needs to be done that they always say they cannot afford to do ?
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