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Re: Proof that the left does not care about refugees.
Reply #30 - Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:32pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

matty wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 6:50am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

matty wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Isn’t it funny how all the leftie, except rose, have just tried to obfuscate this by attacking me personally, and criticising my character. It goes to show that you can’t actually refute what I said.

No it goes to show theres no substance to what you said.

Oh so there are lefties out there demanding that Asia Bibi be granted asylum here? Sorry then, my mistake. I am sure that you can provide links to this. Thank you in advance.

You had a questiuon? I'm sorry.

Oh okay, so nobody then? So surprised.

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Reply #31 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 8:57am

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

matty wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 6:50am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

matty wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Isn’t it funny how all the leftie, except rose, have just tried to obfuscate this by attacking me personally, and criticising my character. It goes to show that you can’t actually refute what I said.

No it goes to show theres no substance to what you said.

Oh so there are lefties out there demanding that Asia Bibi be granted asylum here? Sorry then, my mistake. I am sure that you can provide links to this. Thank you in advance.

You had a questiuon? I'm sorry.

Oh okay, so nobody then? So surprised.

You never really answer our questions so why should we be surprised.

Again, though as I've said in another thread, try to do somethine positiive with your life instead of just whining about the other side.

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Reply #32 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:09pm

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

matty wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 6:49am:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/10/31/16/30/death-sentenced-for-pakistan-woman-at-centre-of-blasphemy-case-quashed-by-court

It is the conservatives in Pakistan are calling for her to be hanged, and threatened wide spread protest and unrest if she is released. In 2011, a bodyguard shot and killed his politician for voicing for Asia Bibi. And now the conservative lunatics are hunting Asia and her family who have gone into hiding.

The liberals and the progressives in Pakistan tried and continue to try to save her.

And yet the left and left feminists defends Islam and ignores its oppression of women and persecution of homosexuals. Bizarre.

This is where you are fundamentally wrong Matty. The lefties in this country does not defend Islam. Rather its defense of innocent people from being wrongfully blamed for things that they have not committed. The left believe in individual freedom, freedom to choose your own sexuality, religion and life without being bullied or prosecuted.

In fact the progressives had been the forefront of battle against religious fundamentalism, both abroad - against Islamic extremism, and at home - against Christian fundamentalism, and right wing - nationalism.

Hogwash. The left loves attacking Christianity and always gives Islam a free pass. I mean, for one, you refuse to acknowledge that Islam has far more extremists and is more violent and oppressive of women than any other religions.

I can provide many examples of this, happy to do so if you like.

Oh Matty, does it ever occur to you that there are also Christians on the left as well. And in fact, Jesus Christ is probably the most well known Socialist you will ever find. And on matters of many issues: like abortion, same sex marriages, institutional sexual abuse etc, even Christians themselves disagrees with each other.

And for the record, I am not acknowledge certain religions, because I am of the firm belief that the root of cause of evil and violence in our world are caused by humanity itself. Whether its for fear, for greed, for lust, at the end of the day the underlying basic cause remained the same. Religion are being used as an excuse to hide the true cause, at the same time, its being used as a quick answer.

Even if this day, there is no such thing as Islam, our world would still have the same level of violence, just in a different name or ideology.

Of course there are left-wing Christians, rose, just as there are right-wing Atheists. Any Rand is a particular influence of mine and she was an unabashed Atheist. Jesus was not a Soialist though, not sure where you derived that idea.

Of course there is violence in the world and of course it isn’t all Islam. However, I finding what you say a feeble excuse to ignore or obfuscate the very real threat of Islamic terrorism. The same tactic was used by Ann Aly recently. This kind of terrorism is seen on a global scale and is carried out in the name of Islam. No other religion these days oppresses women, persecutes homosexuals and subjects cruelty to minorities (eg the Baha’i in Iran or the Christians in Syria). Tell me, why do you think that out of all the Middle Eastern Christians, womens and homosexuals have more rights in Israel and Lebanon, and Georgia and Armenia if you add those?

The only majority Islam’s country there that allows for freedom of religion and where women and homosexuals have rights is Turkey, and Azerbaija, if you add that. Coincidence that those two countries have church’s and state separated?

Re Matty

From the bible of course.

Matthe 19

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
19 honor your father and mother,’and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

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Re: Proof that the left does not care about refugees.
Reply #33 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:13pm

On the other issues raised:

The middle East had always being an area of violence due to its harsh climate, but an important cross road between East to west, the North to the South. Pre Islam, there were the Persian Greek wars, the conquest of Alexander the great and his father, the Roman empire. Islam was formed, because of constant war and pillage due to war between the Byzantines and the Persians. There, religions are being used as an excuse to control and subjugate people. And this involves not only between religions but also within religions. You mentioned about Islam Vs other religion in the area, but the same also occur to muslims, e.g between Sunnis, Shiite, and others. They are the majority there, and by proportion, women and children are also being abused attacked and assaulted.

Unlike you, I see the big picture, and the root course of it, the underlying greed, lust, and power. To me, a muslim child that is suffering or killed is no more or less tragic than a Christian one.

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Reply #34 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:03pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 8:57am:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:32pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 9:11am:

matty wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 6:50am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 11:10am:

matty wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:22pm:

Isn’t it funny how all the leftie, except rose, have just tried to obfuscate this by attacking me personally, and criticising my character. It goes to show that you can’t actually refute what I said.

No it goes to show theres no substance to what you said.

Oh so there are lefties out there demanding that Asia Bibi be granted asylum here? Sorry then, my mistake. I am sure that you can provide links to this. Thank you in advance.

You had a questiuon? I'm sorry.

Oh okay, so nobody then? So surprised.

You never really answer our questions so why should we be surprised.

Again, though as I've said in another thread, try to do somethine positiive with your life instead of just whining about the other side.

Which questions did I not answer?

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Reply #35 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:04pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:09pm:

matty wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:31pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 8:02am:

matty wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 6:49am:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 10:03am:

matty wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:23pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:37pm:

https://www.9news.com.au/2018/10/31/16/30/death-sentenced-for-pakistan-woman-at-centre-of-blasphemy-case-quashed-by-court

It is the conservatives in Pakistan are calling for her to be hanged, and threatened wide spread protest and unrest if she is released. In 2011, a bodyguard shot and killed his politician for voicing for Asia Bibi. And now the conservative lunatics are hunting Asia and her family who have gone into hiding.

The liberals and the progressives in Pakistan tried and continue to try to save her.

And yet the left and left feminists defends Islam and ignores its oppression of women and persecution of homosexuals. Bizarre.

This is where you are fundamentally wrong Matty. The lefties in this country does not defend Islam. Rather its defense of innocent people from being wrongfully blamed for things that they have not committed. The left believe in individual freedom, freedom to choose your own sexuality, religion and life without being bullied or prosecuted.

In fact the progressives had been the forefront of battle against religious fundamentalism, both abroad - against Islamic extremism, and at home - against Christian fundamentalism, and right wing - nationalism.

Hogwash. The left loves attacking Christianity and always gives Islam a free pass. I mean, for one, you refuse to acknowledge that Islam has far more extremists and is more violent and oppressive of women than any other religions.

I can provide many examples of this, happy to do so if you like.

Oh Matty, does it ever occur to you that there are also Christians on the left as well. And in fact, Jesus Christ is probably the most well known Socialist you will ever find. And on matters of many issues: like abortion, same sex marriages, institutional sexual abuse etc, even Christians themselves disagrees with each other.

And for the record, I am not acknowledge certain religions, because I am of the firm belief that the root of cause of evil and violence in our world are caused by humanity itself. Whether its for fear, for greed, for lust, at the end of the day the underlying basic cause remained the same. Religion are being used as an excuse to hide the true cause, at the same time, its being used as a quick answer.

Even if this day, there is no such thing as Islam, our world would still have the same level of violence, just in a different name or ideology.

Of course there are left-wing Christians, rose, just as there are right-wing Atheists. Any Rand is a particular influence of mine and she was an unabashed Atheist. Jesus was not a Soialist though, not sure where you derived that idea.

Of course there is violence in the world and of course it isn’t all Islam. However, I finding what you say a feeble excuse to ignore or obfuscate the very real threat of Islamic terrorism. The same tactic was used by Ann Aly recently. This kind of terrorism is seen on a global scale and is carried out in the name of Islam. No other religion these days oppresses women, persecutes homosexuals and subjects cruelty to minorities (eg the Baha’i in Iran or the Christians in Syria). Tell me, why do you think that out of all the Middle Eastern Christians, womens and homosexuals have more rights in Israel and Lebanon, and Georgia and Armenia if you add those?

The only majority Islam’s country there that allows for freedom of religion and where women and homosexuals have rights is Turkey, and Azerbaija, if you add that. Coincidence that those two countries have church’s and state separated?

Re Matty

From the bible of course.

Matthe 19

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”
17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired. Jesus replied, “ ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony,
19 honor your father and mother,’and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”
20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”
21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

There is a big difference between socialism and charity, rose.

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Reply #36 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:09pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

On the other issues raised:

The middle East had always being an area of violence due to its harsh climate, but an important cross road between East to west, the North to the South. Pre Islam, there were the Persian Greek wars, the conquest of Alexander the great and his father, the Roman empire. Islam was formed, because of constant war and pillage due to war between the Byzantines and the Persians. There, religions are being used as an excuse to control and subjugate people. And this involves not only between religions but also within religions. You mentioned about Islam Vs other religion in the area, but the same also occur to muslims, e.g between Sunnis, Shiite, and others. They are the majority there, and by proportion, women and children are also being abused attacked and assaulted.

Unlike you, I see the big picture, and the root course of it, the underlying greed, lust, and power. To me, a muslim child that is suffering or killed is no more or less tragic than a Christian one.

Is Pakistan in the Middle East though? Indonesia? We still see the same kind of violence there. Conversely, as I said, why do we not see the same kind of violence in Lebanon, Israel, Georgia and Armenia? Ie, the countries in the Middle East where Islam is not the majority.

Also, I take exception to you insinuating that I don’t feel sympathy or sorrow for Muslim children being hurt. To the contrary, I am appalled at the way that girls aren’t mutilated when they are born. I also don’t like the fact that women are forced to cover their body. Strange that we don’t see the left so-called feminists say anything about that. Actually, when a victim of fgm says something, eg Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and protests against it, for some reason she, the victim, and one trying to end this barbaric practice, is criticsed. Go figure...

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Reply #37 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:21pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

On the other issues raised:

The middle East had always being an area of violence due to its harsh climate, but an important cross road between East to west, the North to the South. Pre Islam, there were the Persian Greek wars, the conquest of Alexander the great and his father, the Roman empire. Islam was formed, because of constant war and pillage due to war between the Byzantines and the Persians. There, religions are being used as an excuse to control and subjugate people. And this involves not only between religions but also within religions. You mentioned about Islam Vs other religion in the area, but the same also occur to muslims, e.g between Sunnis, Shiite, and others. They are the majority there, and by proportion, women and children are also being abused attacked and assaulted.

Unlike you, I see the big picture, and the root course of it, the underlying greed, lust, and power. To me, a muslim child that is suffering or killed is no more or less tragic than a Christian one.

Wars are about religion and resources not climate. Look at Australia and our clients.ate and no wars? Gawd

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Reply #39 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:55pm

Re Matty,

Interesting observation. Many right wing Christian friends that I have, told me the exact same. You can live by a life of capitalism, enjoying its rewards, and give to the poor. This charitable spirit is that Jesus requires of you in addition to the commendaments and faith in him.

But, I think god's or Jesus's love for humanity transends merely charity.

Noted, in Matthew 19:21:
21: Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

The concept of capitalism is at its basis profit driven. It uses the basic principal similar to the natural evolutionery process. Those who can compete, and have a good idea, they survive and prosper. Those who doesnt, dies away. There is no inbuilt mechanism to help those in need - except charity. And this is basically what USA is like.

But god's heaven its different. There, basically we all are like kings, equal to each other. No matter, who you are in life. You can be contributing as much as you could, or as little as you could, but with god's grace and love. You will be provided, and your illness cured. And there eternal happiness. And many passages in the bible have told us, that the richness in heaven is more of a spiritual one, and that you should not hold on to your Earthly materials, because its is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Okay, granted, this is probably not strictly socialism. However, its much much more closer to socialism than capitalism will ever be.

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Reply #40 - Dec 17^th, 2018 at 4:31pm

matty wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

On the other issues raised:

The middle East had always being an area of violence due to its harsh climate, but an important cross road between East to west, the North to the South. Pre Islam, there were the Persian Greek wars, the conquest of Alexander the great and his father, the Roman empire. Islam was formed, because of constant war and pillage due to war between the Byzantines and the Persians. There, religions are being used as an excuse to control and subjugate people. And this involves not only between religions but also within religions. You mentioned about Islam Vs other religion in the area, but the same also occur to muslims, e.g between Sunnis, Shiite, and others. They are the majority there, and by proportion, women and children are also being abused attacked and assaulted.

Unlike you, I see the big picture, and the root course of it, the underlying greed, lust, and power. To me, a muslim child that is suffering or killed is no more or less tragic than a Christian one.

Is Pakistan in the Middle East though? Indonesia? We still see the same kind of violence there. Conversely, as I said, why do we not see the same kind of violence in Lebanon, Israel, Georgia and Armenia? Ie, the countries in the Middle East where Islam is not the majority.

Also, I take exception to you insinuating that I don’t feel sympathy or sorrow for Muslim children being hurt. To the contrary, I am appalled at the way that girls aren’t mutilated when they are born. I also don’t like the fact that women are forced to cover their body. Strange that we don’t see the left so-called feminists say anything about that. Actually, when a victim of fgm says something, eg Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and protests against it, for some reason she, the victim, and one trying to end this barbaric practice, is criticsed. Go figure...

This is why I say you are biased. In the western society, the right for women and the sexual revolution started with the progressives and the left. And did not come without struggle. If a woman is to wear a bikini in St Kilda back in 1900s, they would be arrested just like the two men did back then.

And the progressives in each of the countries continues to fight for more women's right. However, the hardline conservatives of those countries always gets in the way. The progressives sees the problem, and will start tackling the problem from the root of the issue. Better education and health care, so that people have a better knowledge of the world around them, and thereby changing their views. What you are doing is to just lump all the solution to 'its Islam's ' fault. But the problems is, the woman and the girls who are suffering are also muslims. So, its like you are blaming them for their own suffering. What you are doing, is only going to make those around them more entrenched in their ways, and thereby furthering their suffering.

If you want to look at the same level of violence. Look no further than our own. Each and every white christian European countries have colorful history involving violence against different house, names and different brands of Christianity. We also just came out from two world wars, with body tally far exceeding regional conflicts today. And we also had Korean and Vietnam wars.

But if you look at history Matty. Starting from WW1. The cause of WWI, and the final result of WWI, including the break down of Russian Monarch shortly thereafter, to the breakup of the Ottoman empire into smaller countries controlled by different colonial powers. You will start to see, that there is order to the overall conflict. Its all intricately connected. And religion is just not the main theme.

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Reply #41 - Dec 19^th, 2018 at 11:55pm

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:55pm:

Re Matty,

Interesting observation. Many right wing Christian friends that I have, told me the exact same. You can live by a life of capitalism, enjoying its rewards, and give to the poor. This charitable spirit is that Jesus requires of you in addition to the commendaments and faith in him.

But, I think god's or Jesus's love for humanity transends merely charity.

Noted, in Matthew 19:21:
21: Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

The concept of capitalism is at its basis profit driven. It uses the basic principal similar to the natural evolutionery process. Those who can compete, and have a good idea, they survive and prosper. Those who doesnt, dies away. There is no inbuilt mechanism to help those in need - except charity. And this is basically what USA is like.

But god's heaven its different. There, basically we all are like kings, equal to each other. No matter, who you are in life. You can be contributing as much as you could, or as little as you could, but with god's grace and love. You will be provided, and your illness cured. And there eternal happiness. And many passages in the bible have told us, that the richness in heaven is more of a spiritual one, and that you should not hold on to your Earthly materials, because its is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Okay, granted, this is probably not strictly socialism. However, its much much more closer to socialism than capitalism will ever be.

Rose, Jesus was very much for free will, and for people choosing their path and living their life to the best if their ability. That is a lot closer to capitalism than it is to socialism.

Heaven is indeed deemed a place of eternal happiness, however, happiness is relative and one man’s happiness can be another man’s misery.

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Reply #42 - Dec 20^th, 2018 at 12:01am

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 4:31pm:

matty wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 3:09pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Dec 17^th, 2018 at 1:13pm:

On the other issues raised:

The middle East had always being an area of violence due to its harsh climate, but an important cross road between East to west, the North to the South. Pre Islam, there were the Persian Greek wars, the conquest of Alexander the great and his father, the Roman empire. Islam was formed, because of constant war and pillage due to war between the Byzantines and the Persians. There, religions are being used as an excuse to control and subjugate people. And this involves not only between religions but also within religions. You mentioned about Islam Vs other religion in the area, but the same also occur to muslims, e.g between Sunnis, Shiite, and others. They are the majority there, and by proportion, women and children are also being abused attacked and assaulted.

Unlike you, I see the big picture, and the root course of it, the underlying greed, lust, and power. To me, a muslim child that is suffering or killed is no more or less tragic than a Christian one.

Is Pakistan in the Middle East though? Indonesia? We still see the same kind of violence there. Conversely, as I said, why do we not see the same kind of violence in Lebanon, Israel, Georgia and Armenia? Ie, the countries in the Middle East where Islam is not the majority.

Also, I take exception to you insinuating that I don’t feel sympathy or sorrow for Muslim children being hurt. To the contrary, I am appalled at the way that girls aren’t mutilated when they are born. I also don’t like the fact that women are forced to cover their body. Strange that we don’t see the left so-called feminists say anything about that. Actually, when a victim of fgm says something, eg Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and protests against it, for some reason she, the victim, and one trying to end this barbaric practice, is criticsed. Go figure...

This is why I say you are biased. In the western society, the right for women and the sexual revolution started with the progressives and the left. And did not come without struggle. If a woman is to wear a bikini in St Kilda back in 1900s, they would be arrested just like the two men did back then.

And the progressives in each of the countries continues to fight for more women's right. However, the hardline conservatives of those countries always gets in the way. The progressives sees the problem, and will start tackling the problem from the root of the issue. Better education and health care, so that people have a better knowledge of the world around them, and thereby changing their views. What you are doing is to just lump all the solution to 'its Islam's ' fault. But the problems is, the woman and the girls who are suffering are also muslims. So, its like you are blaming them for their own suffering. What you are doing, is only going to make those around them more entrenched in their ways, and thereby furthering their suffering.

If you want to look at the same level of violence. Look no further than our own. Each and every white christian European countries have colorful history involving violence against different house, names and different brands of Christianity. We also just came out from two world wars, with body tally far exceeding regional conflicts today. And we also had Korean and Vietnam wars.

But if you look at history Matty. Starting from WW1. The cause of WWI, and the final result of WWI, including the break down of Russian Monarch shortly thereafter, to the breakup of the Ottoman empire into smaller countries controlled by different colonial powers. You will start to see, that there is order to the overall conflict. Its all intricately connected. And religion is just not the main theme.

I already said that I find the oppression of Muslim women in those countries awful, rose. You are the one who keeps skirting around the issue. You have failed to address why women in Lebanon, Armenia and Georgia have far more rights than those in Muslim-majority countries (with the exception of Turkey and Azerbaijan). If you and your fellow “progressives” truly cared about women in these conditions, you would be campaigning for Ayaan Hirsi Ali and against Linda Sarsour. Instead it is the exact opposite.

You are the one who keeps dodging the issue of fgm and forced covering, women being stoned for the crime of being raped, I could go on...

Christianity has been responsible for many atrocities carried out in the past, but it has now reformed and can you name one single country in the world where women have no rights, and are treated effectively as slaves? Also, look at all the worldwide good that Christianity has done; all the charity work and missionary work. Unlike Islam.

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BILL SHORTEN WILL NEVER BE PM!!!!

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Proof that the left does not care about refugees. Reply #43 - Dec 20^th, 2018 at 4:26pm Since matty is being critical of everything, i am still waiting for him to open a thread on this: https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/liberal-powerbrokers-in-racist-and-h... Maybe like, "Proof that the right love being racist and homophobic"? Just like Matty?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26576 Australia	Re: Proof that the left does not care about refugees. Reply #44 - Dec 20^th, 2018 at 4:29pm Do it Spot
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