Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 5 6 7 8 9 ... 22
Send Topic Print
David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! (Read 31133 times)
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21533
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #90 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:34pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:50pm:
Cook published his methodology and established how he came to his conclusion....You may not agree with his methodology or his conclusion but how do YOU declare it is bogus....Most of the papers would have been data that did not address the causes of global warming so they were excluded....Only 0.7% of abstracts rejected AGW whilst 32.6% of abstracts endorsed AGW....This equates to 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming....



Yes petal. Now how does exactly extrapolate to 97% of climate scientists? You don't just exclude data because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:50pm:
.What qualifications do you possess to discredit this research and what is the true consensus if Cook is wrong???


The American Meteorological Society surveyed their members at about
52%.

"The only study which actually asked the scientists was done by the American Meteorological Society in 2013. It showed that only 52% of professional members believed the cause of global warming was “mostly human.” Among professional forecasters, the number was closer to 38%.  No group came anywhere close to 97%."

https://realclimatescience.com/the-52-consensus/

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/BAMS-D-13-00091.1

Remember that question I asked about how many societies gave their members a vote? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote Yesterday at 9:16pm:
You would do better to support your pathetic cherry picking argument with some pear reviewed science from a reputable source that disproves AGW..



Poor phil doesn't know you can't disprove a negative. Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:50pm:
The science has been published and peer reviewed by reputable organisations and scientists...



You mean like the recent IPCC SR5?

"Since 1970 the global average temperature has been rising at a rate of 1.7°C per century, compared to a long-term decline over the past 7,000 years at a baseline rate of 0.01°C per century (NOAA 2016, Marcott et al. 2013)."

http://report.ipcc.ch/sr15/pdf/sr15_chapter1.pdf

""Q: What do paleotemperature reconstructions show about the temperature of the last 100 years?

A: Our global paleotemperature reconstruction includes a so-called “uptick” in temperatures during the 20th-century. However, in the paper we make the point that this particular feature is of shorter duration than the inherent smoothing in our statistical averaging procedure, and that it is based on only a few available paleo-reconstructions of the type we used. Thus, the 20th century portion of our paleotemperature stack is not statistically robust, cannot be considered representative of global temperature changes, and therefore is not the basis of any of our conclusions. "

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/03/response-by-marcott-et-al/

I believe "since 1970" is in the last 100 odd years.

You mean ths 90 odd climate scientists didn't know what they were talking about but you still believe them. Grin Grin Grin Grin
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21533
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #91 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:42pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:53pm:
Lee has a conclusive graph somewhere.


When did they graph your idiocy?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21533
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #92 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:49pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
Interesting that when it came to the hole in the Ozone layer and the subsequent world-wide move on the recommendation of scientists that Chlorofluorocarbons be removed from use across the whole world ... that it was done and worked ... without all this stupid denial from a small set of crazy people flogging denial snake-oil.

Those were the days.  Cool



Yes. except of course there was never a "hole".

Ozone is formed by UV. No UV - no ozone manufactured. Winter in Antarctica severe lack of UV.

" Antarctic Situation at 2018 November 23British Antarctic Survey Ozone Bulletin

Antarctic ozone today:  The 2018 ozone hole is nearly over, with only a small remnant remaining, which may persist for another week.  The vortex became unstable in early November leading to a rapid filling of the ozone hole.  The hole is currently still above average size for the decade at 9 million square kilometres, and is much larger than in 2017 or 2016. "

http://www.theozonehole.com/2018.htm

the difference between what you know and don't know is also increasing.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Johnnie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12485
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #93 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:32pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 12:49pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
Interesting that when it came to the hole in the Ozone layer and the subsequent world-wide move on the recommendation of scientists that Chlorofluorocarbons be removed from use across the whole world ... that it was done and worked ... without all this stupid denial from a small set of crazy people flogging denial snake-oil.

Those were the days.  Cool



Yes. except of course there was never a "hole".

Ozone is formed by UV. No UV - no ozone manufactured. Winter in Antarctica severe lack of UV.

" Antarctic Situation at 2018 November 23British Antarctic Survey Ozone Bulletin

Antarctic ozone today:  The 2018 ozone hole is nearly over, with only a small remnant remaining, which may persist for another week.  The vortex became unstable in early November leading to a rapid filling of the ozone hole.  The hole is currently still above average size for the decade at 9 million square kilometres, and is much larger than in 2017 or 2016. "

http://www.theozonehole.com/2018.htm

the difference between what you know and don't know is also increasing.


The hole is what it is referred to and the banning of CFCs fixed it so I don't know what you are on about.




From Wiki.

Ozone depletion describes two related events observed since the late 1970s: a steady lowering of about four percent in the total amount of ozone in Earth's atmosphere (the ozone layer), and a much larger springtime decrease in stratospheric ozone around Earth's polar regions.[1] The latter phenomenon is referred to as the ozone hole. There are also springtime polar tropospheric ozone depletion events in addition to these stratospheric events.

The main cause of ozone depletion and the ozone hole is manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). These compounds are transported into the stratosphere by the winds after being emitted from the surface.[2] Once in the stratosphere, they release halogen atoms through photodissociation, which catalyze the breakdown of ozone (O3) into oxygen (O2).[3] Both types of ozone depletion were observed to increase as emissions of halocarbons increased.

Ozone depletion and the ozone hole have generated worldwide concern over increased cancer risks and other negative effects. The ozone layer prevents most harmful UVB wavelengths of ultraviolet light (UV light) from passing through the Earth's atmosphere. These wavelengths cause skin cancer, sunburn and cataracts, which were projected to increase dramatically as a result of thinning ozone, as well as harming plants and animals. These concerns led to the adoption of the Montreal Protocol in 1987, which bans the production of CFCs, halons and other ozone-depleting chemicals.

The ban came into effect in 1989. Ozone levels stabilized by the mid-1990s and began to recover in the 2000s. Recovery is projected to continue over the next century, and the ozone hole is expected to reach pre-1980 levels by around 2075.[4] The Montreal Protocol is considered the most successful international environmental agreement to date.
Back to top
« Last Edit: Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:40pm by Johnnie »  
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 155733
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #94 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.


What do you mean by "97% of climate scientists"?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Johnnie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12485
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #95 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.


What do you mean by "97% of climate scientists"?


Good pick up Greg, it was meant to say scientists of which many included climate scientists, what would your highly respected opinion be?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 155733
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #96 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:00pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.


What do you mean by "97% of climate scientists"?


Good pick up Greg, it was meant to say scientists of which many included climate scientists, what would your highly respected opinion be?


Can you explain it a bit more?

Are you talking about 97% of all scientists in the world?

And, what is it - specifically - that they agree on?
Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Johnnie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12485
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #97 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.


What do you mean by "97% of climate scientists"?


Good pick up Greg, it was meant to say scientists of which many included climate scientists, what would your highly respected opinion be?


Can you explain it a bit more?

Are you talking about 97% of all scientists in the world?

And, what is it - specifically - that they agree on?

Look back at a previous post of mine with Wiki being my reference.
I don't like merry go rounds they make me feel giddy.
Your opinion on man made climate change?
Back to top
 

gtrxu1_001.JPG (29 KB | )
gtrxu1_001.JPG
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Nemo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16760
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #98 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
Is there no end to the scientific events that Lee is going to deny?

He must have very wet feet.

He's always in De Nile.  Wink
Back to top
 

Fire the LIAR in 2028!
WWW  
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21533
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #99 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:15pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:32pm:
The hole is what it is referred to and the banning of CFCs fixed it so I don't know what you are on about.



If the "hole" has been "fixed" why is it " currently still above average size for the decade at 9 million square kilometres, and is much larger than in 2017 or 2016"?

You do know the meaning of "decade".

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:32pm:
The main cause of ozone depletion and the ozone hole is manufactured chemicals



The main cause of ozone depletion and the ozone hole is thought to be manufactured chemical. 

There fixed it for you. How do the CFC's get into the Antarctic Polar Vortex?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 155733
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #100 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:57pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 1:52pm:
Johnnie wrote on Dec 4th, 2018 at 4:37pm:
I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.


What do you mean by "97% of climate scientists"?


Good pick up Greg, it was meant to say scientists of which many included climate scientists, what would your highly respected opinion be?


Can you explain it a bit more?

Are you talking about 97% of all scientists in the world?

And, what is it - specifically - that they agree on?

Look back at a previous post of mine with Wiki being my reference.
I don't like merry go rounds they make me feel giddy.
Your opinion on man made climate change?


Could you answer the questions, please?

One at a time:

1) Are you talking about 97% of all scientists in the world?
Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 21533
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #101 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Is there no end to the scientific events that Lee is going to deny?

He must have very wet feet.

He's always in De Nile.  Wink



No links to prove your assertions? Why am I unimpressed? Grin Grin Grin
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Johnnie
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 12485
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #102 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Is there no end to the scientific events that Lee is going to deny?

He must have very wet feet.

He's always in De Nile.  Wink

Lee will be along soon with a statistic or two and some squiggles on some graph paper to try and back up whatever it is he is trying to say.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Captain Nemo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16760
Melbourne
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #103 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:17pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Is there no end to the scientific events that Lee is going to deny?

He must have very wet feet.

He's always in De Nile.  Wink



No links to prove your assertions? Why am I unimpressed? Grin Grin Grin


You made a typo ... that should read "unimpressive".  Wink
Back to top
 

Fire the LIAR in 2028!
WWW  
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 155733
Gender: male
Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #104 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:21pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:16pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 2:12pm:
Is there no end to the scientific events that Lee is going to deny?

He must have very wet feet.

He's always in De Nile.  Wink

Lee will be along soon with a statistic or two and some squiggles on some graph paper to try and back up whatever it is he is trying to say.


Are you talking about 97% of all scientists in the world?

If not, 97% of which scientists - how big is the group?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 7 8 9 ... 22
Send Topic Print