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Reply #45 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:23pm

The time when the Earth gets to 'cool' down...

We have now set 'afire'!

Ever see that Attenborough Doco on how the Planet regulates its Temperature (especially via the deep water currents from Antarctica)?

Well, we may have not have tilted the World's AXIS,
but we sure have upset the applecart and now we can't seem to figure out how to

...let nature do what comes 'naturally'.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #46 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:23pm Hey xeej you know what they say about computers right....! Sh!t in - Sh!t out......
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Reply #47 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

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Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming

Tol also reduces the apparent consensus by assuming that abstracts that do not explicitly state the cause of global warming ('no position') represent non-endorsement, an approach that if applied elsewhere would reject consensus on well-established theories such as plate tectonics.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

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Reply #48 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:02pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:52pm:

And you expect the science to predict the exact date and time of an extreme weather event that is how little you understand the science !

Nope. But I expect them to get at least ONE prediction right.

They can't even get them right in hindsight. Grin

You mean forecasting more extreme weather events which is something that is undeniable !

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Reply #49 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:09pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

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Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming

Tol also reduces the apparent consensus by assuming that abstracts that do not explicitly state the cause of global warming ('no position') represent non-endorsement, an approach that if applied elsewhere would reject consensus on well-established theories such as plate tectonics.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

No one is denying that the Earth has warmed, it has been warming since the little ice age.

Some of the biggest alarmists walking the planet have come out of those organisations.

Organisations that receive money, lots of money to research Anthropogenic Global Warming and keep it in the head lines.

If you want to see if CO2 and temperature correlate have a look in our history, the answer is there, not what these money hungry scientists are telling us.

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Reply #50 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:12pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

You mean forecasting more extreme weather events which is something that is undeniable !

Forecasting extreme weather events is something they do and it is undeniable.

We have always had extreme weather events - drought, floods, hurricanes/cyclones so the prediction is not hard. What they have signally failed to do is link one of those future extreme weathers events forecast to an actual event linked to AGW when they do occur. Though they do keep trying. Wink

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Reply #51 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:14pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

You mean forecasting more extreme weather events which is something that is undeniable !

Forecasting extreme weather events is something they do and it is undeniable.

We have always had extreme weather events - drought, floods, hurricanes/cyclones so the prediction is not hard. What they have signally failed to do is link one of those future extreme weathers events forecast to an actual event linked to AGW when they do occur. Though they do keep trying. Wink

Spoken like a true liberal. The climate is always changing Cheesy

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Reply #53 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:22pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

Quote:

Scientific consensus: Earth's climate is warming

Tol also reduces the apparent consensus by assuming that abstracts that do not explicitly state the cause of global warming ('no position') represent non-endorsement, an approach that if applied elsewhere would reject consensus on well-established theories such as plate tectonics.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

No one is denying that the Earth has warmed, it has been warming since the little ice age.

Some of the biggest alarmists walking the planet have come out of those organisations.

Organisations that receive money, lots of money to research Anthropogenic Global Warming and keep it in the head lines.

If you want to see if CO2 and temperature correlate have a look in our history, the answer is there, not what these money hungry scientists are telling us.

https://i.ibb.co/PMyqYw5/medieveal.jpg

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It would be hopelessly naive to argue that money never motivates people to do certain things.

But to suggest global warming exists only because climate scientists need the money, you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals. Or claim there is a conspiracy to manufacture these impacts in exchange for a wage.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/sep/15/the-idea-that-clim...

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Reply #54 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:26pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

And then he quotes Cook et al in what was essentially a survey of publications.

You do know a survey is not science ; right? 97.1% of 33.3% of abstracts. That was that supposed to be convincing?

Cook is a self acknowledged "Climate Communicator". Grin

BTW - How many of those organisations gave their members a vote? how many made unilateral decisions?

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Reply #55 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:27pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:22pm:

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It would be hopelessly naive to argue that money never motivates people to do certain things.

But to suggest global warming exists only because climate scientists need the money, you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals. Or claim there is a conspiracy to manufacture these impacts in exchange for a wage.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/sep/15/the-idea-that-clim...

These things have always happened, they are nothing new.

Where is the evidence that its AGW.....??

Show me and I will believe.

September 1957 - arctic decreases by 40%

May 1947 - arctic melting

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/22429983?searchTerm=climate%20change&sea...

November 1922 - arctic melting

http://docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

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Reply #56 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:30pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:22pm:

But to suggest global warming exists only because climate scientists need the money, you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals. Or claim there is a conspiracy to manufacture these impacts in exchange for a wage.

yeah. But then you need to ignore the tree stumps that are currently well above snow lines. I mean it must have been warmer back then. Wink

BTW - what are these increasing extreme weather events. Grin

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Reply #57 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:34pm

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It would be hopelessly naive to argue that money never motivates people to do certain things.

But to suggest global warming exists only because climate scientists need the money, you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals. Or claim there is a conspiracy to manufacture these impacts in exchange for a wage.

The worlds retreating glaciers is irrefutable evidence that the earth is warming
CO₂ is a known greenhouse gas
The science is pretty simple really

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Reply #58 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:35pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

You do know a survey is not science

Then why do you keep quoting Cook???

There are many reputable organisations that you should believe before relying solely on one survey....Read what NASA and other well established organisations are saying!!!

Roll Eyes

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

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Reply #59 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:43pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:26pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 8:59pm:

The best way to understand global warming is to listen to those who study the science and publish their findings!!!

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

You do know a survey is not science

Then why do you keep quoting Cook???

There are many reputable organisations that you should believe before relying solely on one survey....Read what NASA and other well established organisations are saying!!!

Roll Eyes

http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html

All these organisations have is a crystal ball (computer models) which so far have failed them dreadfully.

That's why when it started to go south with their predictions they came with more snake oil than a traveling salesman.

You have seen that video Prof. Richard Feynman describing the essence of science in 60 seconds.

If it disagrees with observations ITS WRONG.......!!!

AGW theory is wrong......!!!

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