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Reply #15 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:31pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:22pm:

Wiki never changed my mind, I knew all along and so does Sir Dave.

Perhaps you can give us the science by which you "know".

Oh good. Perhaps you will like the new climate scare story -

"“We know global warming is causing the winter snowpack to develop later and melt earlier,” said the paper’s first author Andrew Reinmann, an assistant professor and researcher with the Environmental Science Initiative at the Advanced Science Research Center (ASRC) at The Graduate Center, CUNY, and with Hunter College’s Department of Geography. “Our study advances our understanding of the long-term effects of this trend on northern hardwood forests–which are critical to North America’s environmental health and several industries. The experiments we conducted suggest snowpack declines result in more severe soil freezing that damages and kills tree roots, increases losses of nutrients from the forest and significantly reduces growth of the iconic sugar maple trees.”

The researchers’ 5-year-long experiment consisted of removing snowpack from designated plots during the first 4-6 weeks of winter each year between 2008 and 2012, and then comparing the resulting condition of the soil and trees (all sugar maples) in those plots to the soil and trees in adjacent plots with natural snowpack. Their analysis found that soil frost depth reached over 30 centimeters in areas where snow cover had been removed compared to roughly 5 centimeters at control plots. The severe frost caused damage to tree roots that triggered a cascade of responses, including reduced nutrient uptake by trees, shorter branch growth, loss of nitrogen from soils into nearby waterways, and decreases in soil insect diversity and abundance. Scientists collected sample cores from sugar maple trees on their research plots and measured the width of the cores’ rings to reconstruct growth rates. They found that growth declined by more than 40 percent in response to snow removal and increased soil freezing. The trees also were unable to rebound even after snowpack removal cease"

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/asrc-sdm112918.php

So what they did for the experiment was remove the snowcover that existed (snow is an insulator) from groups of trees.

Then those that were bare of snow suffered frost damage. And this was supposed to show the effect of AGW. If it were AGW there wouldn't be frost, there wouldn't be snow. Grin

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #16 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:43pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:31pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:22pm:

Wiki never changed my mind, I knew all along and so does Sir Dave.

Perhaps you can give us the science by which you "know".

Oh good. Perhaps you will like the new climate scare story -

"“We know global warming is causing the winter snowpack to develop later and melt earlier,” said the paper’s first author Andrew Reinmann, an assistant professor and researcher with the Environmental Science Initiative at the Advanced Science Research Center (ASRC) at The Graduate Center, CUNY, and with Hunter College’s Department of Geography. “Our study advances our understanding of the long-term effects of this trend on northern hardwood forests–which are critical to North America’s environmental health and several industries. The experiments we conducted suggest snowpack declines result in more severe soil freezing that damages and kills tree roots, increases losses of nutrients from the forest and significantly reduces growth of the iconic sugar maple trees.”

The researchers’ 5-year-long experiment consisted of removing snowpack from designated plots during the first 4-6 weeks of winter each year between 2008 and 2012, and then comparing the resulting condition of the soil and trees (all sugar maples) in those plots to the soil and trees in adjacent plots with natural snowpack. Their analysis found that soil frost depth reached over 30 centimeters in areas where snow cover had been removed compared to roughly 5 centimeters at control plots. The severe frost caused damage to tree roots that triggered a cascade of responses, including reduced nutrient uptake by trees, shorter branch growth, loss of nitrogen from soils into nearby waterways, and decreases in soil insect diversity and abundance. Scientists collected sample cores from sugar maple trees on their research plots and measured the width of the cores’ rings to reconstruct growth rates. They found that growth declined by more than 40 percent in response to snow removal and increased soil freezing. The trees also were unable to rebound even after snowpack removal cease"

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-12/asrc-sdm112918.php

So what they did for the experiment was remove the snowcover that existed (snow is an insulator) from groups of trees.

Then those that were bare of snow suffered frost damage. And this was supposed to show the effect of AGW. If it were AGW there wouldn't be frost, there wouldn't be snow. Grin

Its like going over old territory, I believe what I have seen over the last 50rys and what the industrial revolution has contributed, Sir Dave and the 97% of the scientists.
Your graphs are better than your pie charts though.

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Reply #17 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:53pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.

You may have your eyeballs glued open but you're as blind as a bat.

A pack runner that listens to that bloke on a pedestal, doesn't even know why he's protesting.

WTF up................. Shocked

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Reply #18 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:58pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.

You may have your eyeballs glued open but you're as blind as a bat.

A pack runner that listens to that bloke on a pedestal, doesn't even know why he's protesting.

WTF up................. Shocked

My sonar is on, do you doubt 97% of scientists?

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Reply #19 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:59pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

If anyone should know what is happening throughout the world's environments ... Sir David Attenborough should know. He's spent his whole life out there studying the environment. Cool

David Attenborough as much as I love his docos knows nothing about climate science and is like David Suzuki (Q&A) they have fallen for the 97% consensus and the experts said so.

Sheep nothing but sheep.

Just proves that an education doesn't necessary make you smart, like a monkey it teaches you a certain set of skills.

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Reply #20 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:00pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.

You may have your eyeballs glued open but you're as blind as a bat.

A pack runner that listens to that bloke on a pedestal, doesn't even know why he's protesting.

WTF up................. Shocked

My sonar is on, do you doubt 97% of scientists?

Only the 97% who are allowed full airing of their views while others are not..... it's not 97% of scientists - it's 97% of those permitted to speak....

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #21 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:02pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.

You may have your eyeballs glued open but you're as blind as a bat.

A pack runner that listens to that bloke on a pedestal, doesn't even know why he's protesting.

WTF up................. Shocked

My sonar is on, do you doubt 97% of scientists?

FFS mate have you read anything Lee has written.

John Cook's (sceptical science) 97% was found to be fraudulent, he was laughed out of the scientific community.

And that survey conducted through the emails asking three simple questions....?

Can you really get a consensus from that...............!!!!

Jeez,,,,smell the snake oil dude.

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #23 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:08pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:43pm:

Its like going over old territory, I believe what I have seen over the last 50rys and what the industrial revolution has contributed, Sir Dave and the 97% of the scientists.

Temperatures may have warmed over the last 50 years, but the data is too spotty. They infill data where they have none. And yet they claim an accuracy to their estimates down to one 1/100ºC. Gavin Schmidt Director of NASA/GISS says it is about 0.5ºC.

So what have exactly you "seen" in the last 50 years that has not happened before?

Ah Sir Dave? Climate scientist? Nah.

you just don't want to believe anything against the so called 97%.

A true believer. Bye

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #24 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:10pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:02pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:58pm:

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:53pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 4:37pm:

I would rather believe Sir David Attenborough, 97% of climate scientists and my own eyeballs rather than any politician or any of the many academics on this forum.

You may have your eyeballs glued open but you're as blind as a bat.

A pack runner that listens to that bloke on a pedestal, doesn't even know why he's protesting.

WTF up................. Shocked

My sonar is on, do you doubt 97% of scientists?

FFS mate have you read anything Lee has written.

John Cook's (sceptical science) 97% was found to be fraudulent, he was laughed out of the scientific community.

And that survey conducted through the emails asking three simple questions....?

Can you really get a consensus from that...............!!!!

Jeez,,,,smell the snake oil dude.

Do you think Wiki should be corrected, do it, another academic I presume.
The snake oil has been sold to you.

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #26 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:26pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

If anyone should know what is happening throughout the world's environments ... Sir David Attenborough should know. He's spent his whole life out there studying the environment. Cool

David Attenborough as much as I love his docos knows nothing about climate science and is like David Suzuki (Q&A) they have fallen for the 97% consensus and the experts said so.

Sheep nothing but sheep.

Just proves that an education doesn't necessary make you smart, like a monkey it teaches you a certain set of skills.

https://i.ibb.co/z6BMmdD/davissuzuki.jpg

And you know more than these two because you got an instant PhD when you became a liberal supporter and you didn't have to go one day to Uni Cheesy

LOL

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Reply #27 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:29pm

matty wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:03pm:

Old geezer we'll past his use-by date.

As opposed to numskull Abort and Alan Jones Cheesy

LOL

Just remember how Abort had no science minister in his cabinet lineup and you want to believe these pricks when it comes to science matters. Next thing you'll be talking their advice on topics such as quantum physics and astro physics Cheesy

LOL

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #28 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:30pm Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:26pm: And you know more than these two because you got an instant PhD when you became a liberal supporter and you didn't have to go one day to Uni Someone said you were an international businessman. You have shown no sign of that here.
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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #29 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:34pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:30pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 7:26pm:

And you know more than these two because you got an instant PhD when you became a liberal supporter and you didn't have to go one day to Uni

Someone said you were an international businessman. You have shown no sign of that here.

but I have never said that so what is your point ?

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