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Reply #255 - Dec 8th, 2018 at 10:30pm
 
ok Captain  Roll Eyes
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Reply #256 - Dec 8th, 2018 at 10:33pm
 
Well, it is clear that even during the Solar Minimum, the temperature has been going up. Especially obvious over the last decade or so.

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This is probably even more evidence that "something else" is driving the higher temperatures. (Atmospheric CO2 concentration is the obvious suspect)





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Reply #257 - Dec 8th, 2018 at 11:05pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
This is probably even more evidence that "something else" is driving the higher temperatures. (Atmospheric CO2 concentration is the obvious suspect)



And yet they can't quite get the theory right.

Climate hiatus in the face of climbing CO2. Doesn't that negate the theory? Wink
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Reply #258 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 10:38am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 8th, 2018 at 10:33pm:
Well, it is clear that even during the Solar Minimum, the temperature has been going up. Especially obvious over the last decade or so.

https://i.imgur.com/z1FXsDI.jpg

This is probably even more evidence that "something else" is driving the higher temperatures. (Atmospheric CO2 concentration is the obvious suspect)





p.s. Everyone go to bed now. Leave your phones on though because Peter is installing the spyware.  Wink

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Funny the temperature anomaly from the base line according to satellite data doesn't quite match what is shown on that graph you posted....???

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http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/09/uah-global-temperature-update-for-august-201...


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Reply #259 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
Hmm ... One graph showing an 11 year average, the other showing a 13 month average ... you wonder why they look a bit different?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #260 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
Meanwhile ... even more problems from AGW :


East Antarctica glacial stronghold melting as seas warm


Nasa detects ice retreat probably linked to ocean changes in region once thought stable

A group of glaciers spanning an eighth of the East Antarctica coastline are being melted by the warming seas, scientists have discovered.

This Antarctic region stores a vast amount of ice, which, if lost, would in the long-term raise global sea level by tens of metres and drown coastal settlements around the world.

Freezing temperatures meant the East Antarctica region was until recently considered largely stable but the research indicates that the area is being affected by climate change.

The vast Totten glacier was known to be retreating but the new analysis shows that nearby glaciers in the East Antarctica area are also losing ice.

To the east of Totten, in Vincennes Bay, the height of the glaciers has fallen by about three metres in total since 2008, before which no loss had been recorded.

To the west of Totten, in Wilkes Land, the rate of height loss has doubled since 2009, with glaciers losing height by about two and a half metres to date.

The data comes from detailed maps of ice movement speed and height created by Nasa from satellite information.

Evidence suggests East Antarctica’s glaciers are melting faster than previously thought

Alex Gardner, a glaciologist at Nasa’s jet propulsion laboratory in Pasadena, California, said: “The change doesn’t seem random, it looks systematic. That hints at underlying ocean influences that have been incredibly strong in West Antarctica. Now we might be finding clear links of the ocean starting to influence East Antarctica.”

Ice in West Antarctica is already in serious retreat, with scientists reporting a threefold acceleration in recent years, meaning it is vanishing faster than at any previously recorded time.

In April, researchers found that hidden melting beneath the ocean surface was also increasing, putting Antarctica on track to overtake Greenland as the biggest contributor to sea-level rise.

Without big cuts in carbon emissions, the melting will continue for thousands of years.

Catherine Walker, at Nasa’s Goddard Space Flight Centre, in Maryland, used ocean temperature measurements from seals who had been tagged with sensors, as well as computer modelling, to show that the heat delivered to the glaciers in Wilkes Land and Vincennes Bay had increased. Changes in winds and the extent of sea ice are thought to have altered currents.

East Antarctica is extremely remote and relatively little studied. What happens to the glaciers will depend on how exposed to warmer water they are, and that depends on the shape of the land beneath them and the sea bed ahead of them.

“Heightened attention needs to be given to these glaciers,” said Gardner. “We need to better map the topography and the bathymetry. Only then can we be more conclusive in determining whether these glaciers will enter a phase of rapid retreat or stabilise.”

The discovery could mean much higher sea level rises than anticipated, said Chris Fogwill, a professor at Keele University in England, who was not part of the Nasa research.

“The finding has very serious repercussions for climate change and particularly sea-level rise. It has the potential to mean that our sea-level projections could be [in] an order of magnitude higher than we’re anticipating.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/11/east-antarctica-glacial-stronghold...
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Reply #261 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 12:21pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
A group of glaciers spanning an eighth of the East Antarctica coastline are being melted by the warming seas, scientists have discovered.


So they must be ice shelves overhanging the ocean. How novel. Warm water meets ice, ice melts. ice even breaks off causing ice BERGS.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
To the east of Totten, in Vincennes Bay, the height of the glaciers has fallen by about three metres in total since 2008, before which no loss had been recorded.


You do know Antarctica is a polar desert. That means there are large fluctuations in precipitation. If it doesn't precipitate the height of glaciers fall. More precipitation glacier height rises.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
The data comes from detailed maps of ice movement speed and height created by Nasa from satellite information.


Oh the GRACE satellites again. That must be old data then. The GRACE 1 satellites are dead. And there were errors with GRACE.

"The Greenland and West Antarctic ice caps are melting at half the speed previously predicted, according to analysis of recent satellite data."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100906085152.htm

Speeding up or slowing down. The problem with GRACE is it is a model that models the distance to the bedrock from the top of the glacier. It depends on your assumptions what your result will be.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:11am:
Ice in West Antarctica is already in serious retreat, with scientists reporting a threefold acceleration in recent years, meaning it is vanishing faster than at any previously recorded time.



Isn't the West Antarctic ice sheet the one where they have found all those volcanoes?

"Scientists discover 91 volcanoes below Antarctic ice sheet

This is in addition to 47 already known about and eruption would melt more ice in region affected by climate change"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/12/scientists-discover-91-volcanos-an...

From the garudian so it must be true.
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Reply #262 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:18pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:05am:
Hmm ... One graph showing an 11 year average, the other showing a 13 month average ... you wonder why they look a bit different?  Roll Eyes


Well I never said I was a climate expert far from it.

Just for fun I plotted some graphs from this data base of the lower troposphere from Roy Spencers web site.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt

THE RESULTS

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So how can the temperature anomaly on your chart be up around 0.95°C, what database is he using.....??
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Reply #263 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
Cadet nemo goes back to Skep-Sci. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #264 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:01pm
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:05am:
Hmm ... One graph showing an 11 year average, the other showing a 13 month average ... you wonder why they look a bit different?  Roll Eyes


Well I never said I was a climate expert far from it.

Just for fun I plotted some graphs from this data base of the lower troposphere from Roy Spencers web site.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt

THE RESULTS

https://i.ibb.co/S7m3SMs/Temp-Graph.jpg

So how can the temperature anomaly on your chart be up around 0.95°C, what database is he using.....??


Ah ... so you are comparing only the lower troposphere with the Global Average figure that I provided ... no wonder!

You've gone troppo!  Wink
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Reply #265 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:11pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Ah ... so you are comparing only the lower troposphere with the Global Average figure that I provided ... no wonder!



You do understand the lower troposphere extends to ground level? Wink
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Reply #266 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:12pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:11pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Ah ... so you are comparing only the lower troposphere with the Global Average figure that I provided ... no wonder!



You do understand the lower troposphere extends to ground level? Wink


You do understand that the figures I provided include land and sea averages ?
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Reply #267 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:50pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
You do understand that the figures I provided include land and sea averages ?



yes petal.  You do understand sea level is effectively 0 feet above ground?

So how do they get SST's? Ship's engine rooms. Warmer there than the outside air, warms the water. Wink

Did you see how they Karlized SST's? Because the data was sparse, spotty, mainly in the sea lanes they used that estimate. When they used the engine room data they adjusted it UP so that it better reflected the old bucket method. which of course had its own problems. But you can possibly do a search for that.
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Reply #268 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 5:01pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:50pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:12pm:
You do understand that the figures I provided include land and sea averages ?



yes petal.  You do understand sea level is effectively 0 feet above ground?

So how do they get SST's? Ship's engine rooms. Warmer there than the outside air, warms the water. Wink

Did you see how they Karlized SST's? Because the data was sparse, spotty, mainly in the sea lanes they used that estimate. When they used the engine room data they adjusted it UP so that it better reflected the old bucket method. which of course had its own problems. But you can possibly do a search for that.


Well ... they gather data from ship and buoy reports as well as satellite measurements...

Speaking of buoys ...

You must be Malcolm Robert's number one fanboi !

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Reply #269 - Dec 12th, 2018 at 6:01pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 4:01pm:
Ajax wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 3:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 12th, 2018 at 11:05am:
Hmm ... One graph showing an 11 year average, the other showing a 13 month average ... you wonder why they look a bit different?  Roll Eyes


Well I never said I was a climate expert far from it.

Just for fun I plotted some graphs from this data base of the lower troposphere from Roy Spencers web site.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt

THE RESULTS

https://i.ibb.co/S7m3SMs/Temp-Graph.jpg

So how can the temperature anomaly on your chart be up around 0.95°C, what database is he using.....??


Ah ... so you are comparing only the lower troposphere with the Global Average figure that I provided ... no wonder!

You've gone troppo!  Wink


No but maybe you have................ Cheesy

So that graph is from sceptical science (SS)..........???......... Grin Grin Grin

I'm not going to bother to ask you which database was used, probably the one that came straight out of John Cook's arse...LOL

You know they (SS) said the same thing in 2012.

John Cook wants to be Al Gore's little deputy.... Shocked

Are you an algorian.........ROFL................ Grin

I did another graph by taking the Land and Sea average.

Slight variation compared to just land.

BTW it's still the lower troposphere after all that's were most of readings come from........... Wink

LAND & SEA

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JUST LAND

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