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Reply #150 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:50pm:

Cook published his methodology and established how he came to his conclusion....You may not agree with his methodology or his conclusion but how do YOU declare it is bogus....Most of the papers would have been data that did not address the causes of global warming so they were excluded....Only 0.7% of abstracts rejected AGW whilst 32.6% of abstracts endorsed AGW....This equates to 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming....

Yes petal. Now how does exactly extrapolate to 97% of climate scientists? You don't just exclude data because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. Grin

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We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

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We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming.

Let me explain it too you dickhead!!!

Cook analysed peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'....Got it!!!

66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW because they were research, analysis and data which climate scientists use to reach their hypothesis and form a conclusion....Got it!!!

So we are left with 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming!!!

The research is peer reviewed and published in reputable journals because it is supported by the evidence!!!

So dickhead, you don't just include data because it fits your pre-conceived ideas....Cook established how he reached his conclusion and has published his findings....The 66.4% of abstracts whom expressed no position on AGW were excluded because they did not reach any conclusion either way, they were research and data....You are a dickhead who has no idea and you are not a scientist....Just a stupid sceptic who is not very smart!!!

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #151 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm

Valkie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:32pm:

The earth has been through many global warming and glacial cycles over it's life

Now I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think humans and our activities had much of an impact during these cycles.
Perhaps the dinosaurs were causing pollution and affecting their climates?

Now, the earth itself goes through seasons depending on it's proximity to the sun.
Effectively a heating and cooling in known and reasonably predictable cycles.
We know this because it happens every year and we know why it happens.

The earth travels around the galactic central point around every 200 million years
Who is to say that during that journey, unknown forces or conditions may have some bearing on our weather patterns and the way our climate reacts.

We don't recognise this as a pattern because we have not been in existence long enough to understand these cycles.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we should stop polluting our planet and take any steps possible to stop killing ourselves and the world.
But I do not believe we can change the climate in any serious way.

Bit of a contradiction in terms there Valkie.

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #152 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:38pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:32pm:

The earth has been through many global warming and glacial cycles over it's life

Now I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think humans and our activities had much of an impact during these cycles.
Perhaps the dinosaurs were causing pollution and affecting their climates?

Now, the earth itself goes through seasons depending on it's proximity to the sun.
Effectively a heating and cooling in known and reasonably predictable cycles.
We know this because it happens every year and we know why it happens.

The earth travels around the galactic central point around every 200 million years
Who is to say that during that journey, unknown forces or conditions may have some bearing on our weather patterns and the way our climate reacts.

We don't recognise this as a pattern because we have not been in existence long enough to understand these cycles.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we should stop polluting our planet and take any steps possible to stop killing ourselves and the world.
But I do not believe we can change the climate in any serious way.

Bit of a contradiction in terms there Valkie.

Contradiction - how so?

I agree with Valkie's comments.

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #153 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:49pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:32pm:

The earth has been through many global warming and glacial cycles over it's life

Now I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think humans and our activities had much of an impact during these cycles.
Perhaps the dinosaurs were causing pollution and affecting their climates?

Now, the earth itself goes through seasons depending on it's proximity to the sun.
Effectively a heating and cooling in known and reasonably predictable cycles.
We know this because it happens every year and we know why it happens.

The earth travels around the galactic central point around every 200 million years
Who is to say that during that journey, unknown forces or conditions may have some bearing on our weather patterns and the way our climate reacts.

We don't recognise this as a pattern because we have not been in existence long enough to understand these cycles.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we should stop polluting our planet and take any steps possible to stop killing ourselves and the world.
But I do not believe we can change the climate in any serious way.

Bit of a contradiction in terms there Valkie.

Contradiction - how so?

I agree with Valkie's comments.

I actually agree with the both of you, what we have done to this plant over the last 250yrs is irreversible and any effort from now on is a token gesture, the doomsday clock for the last humans on Earth is set for about 200yrs I reckon.

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Reply #154 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:59pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:31pm:

I think you had better go look at those figures again.

Better still I'll let you do it, I will even provide the links.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/media/erl460291datafile.txt

read - Endorsement

https://skepticalscience.com/docs/self_vs_abstracts_private.txt

Note: Column 3 is the rating given to the papers in the format 1.0000, 2.0000 etc.

Enjoy.

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Reply #156 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 5:04pm

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:32pm:

The earth has been through many global warming and glacial cycles over it's life

Now I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think humans and our activities had much of an impact during these cycles.
Perhaps the dinosaurs were causing pollution and affecting their climates?

Now, the earth itself goes through seasons depending on it's proximity to the sun.
Effectively a heating and cooling in known and reasonably predictable cycles.
We know this because it happens every year and we know why it happens.

The earth travels around the galactic central point around every 200 million years
Who is to say that during that journey, unknown forces or conditions may have some bearing on our weather patterns and the way our climate reacts.

We don't recognise this as a pattern because we have not been in existence long enough to understand these cycles.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we should stop polluting our planet and take any steps possible to stop killing ourselves and the world.
But I do not believe we can change the climate in any serious way.

Bit of a contradiction in terms there Valkie.

Contradiction - how so?

I agree with Valkie's comments.

I actually agree with the both of you, what we have done to this plant over the last 250yrs is irreversible and any effort from now on is a token gesture, the doomsday clock for the last humans on Earth is set for about 200yrs I reckon.

Sure.

I doubt that we've had any affect on the climate, though.

Moreover, I couldn't care less if humans become extinct.

The universe will probably be better off without us.

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Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate !
Reply #157 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:08pm

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 5:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

So your position is that you should only cherry pick the data that supports your conclusions? Grin

That's what climate skeptics do all of the time. You should know Cheesy

LOL

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #158 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:12pm Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:08pm: That's what climate skeptics do all of the time. You should know Do I? Can you quote a specific instance? Or is that another fact free zone? But then again I thought the climate scientists were noble beasts and wouldn't do that.
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Reply #159 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:16pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:50pm:

Cook published his methodology and established how he came to his conclusion....You may not agree with his methodology or his conclusion but how do YOU declare it is bogus....Most of the papers would have been data that did not address the causes of global warming so they were excluded....Only 0.7% of abstracts rejected AGW whilst 32.6% of abstracts endorsed AGW....This equates to 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming....

Yes petal. Now how does exactly extrapolate to 97% of climate scientists? You don't just exclude data because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. Grin

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Abstract

We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

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We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming.

Let me explain it too you dickhead!!!

Cook analysed peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'....Got it!!!

66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW because they were research, analysis and data which climate scientists use to reach their hypothesis and form a conclusion....Got it!!!

So we are left with 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming!!!

The research is peer reviewed and published in reputable journals because it is supported by the evidence!!!

So dickhead, you don't just include data because it fits your pre-conceived ideas....Cook established how he reached his conclusion and has published his findings....The 66.4% of abstracts whom expressed no position on AGW were excluded because they did not reach any conclusion either way, they were research and data....You are a dickhead who has no idea and you are not a scientist....Just a stupid sceptic who is not very smart!!!

Peer review has given us the wonders of gender diversity, feminism, and a host of other social science nonsenses that we are now forced to deal with on a daily basis.... peer review should be kept within academia, and only allowed out on a tight chain....

Peer review by like-minded individual is not a very good yardstick on which to formulate a policy....

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Reply #160 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:17pm

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 5:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

So your position is that you should only cherry pick the data that supports your conclusions? Grin

You continue to edit my posts and exclude the text that shows you are a dickhead....You are a deceitful prick aren't you when you are proven to be an idiot???

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Let me explain it too you again dickhead!!!

Cook analysed peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'....Got it!!!

66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW because they were research, analysis and data which climate scientists use to reach their hypothesis and form a conclusion....Got it!!!

So we are left with 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming!!!

The research is peer reviewed and published in reputable journals because it is supported by the evidence!!!

So dickhead, you don't just include data because it fits your pre-conceived ideas....Cook established how he reached his conclusion and has published his findings....The 66.4% of abstracts whom expressed no position on AGW were excluded because they did not reach any conclusion either way, they were research and data....You are a dickhead who has no idea and you are not a scientist....Just a stupid sceptic who is not very smart!!!

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review and claim NASA are using a bogus study which has been peer reviewed....You have no idea and are a waste of time!!!

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Reply #161 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 5:04pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:38pm:

Johnnie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

Valkie wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:32pm:

The earth has been through many global warming and glacial cycles over it's life

Now I'm not exactly sure, but I don't think humans and our activities had much of an impact during these cycles.
Perhaps the dinosaurs were causing pollution and affecting their climates?

Now, the earth itself goes through seasons depending on it's proximity to the sun.
Effectively a heating and cooling in known and reasonably predictable cycles.
We know this because it happens every year and we know why it happens.

The earth travels around the galactic central point around every 200 million years
Who is to say that during that journey, unknown forces or conditions may have some bearing on our weather patterns and the way our climate reacts.

We don't recognise this as a pattern because we have not been in existence long enough to understand these cycles.

Don't get me wrong, I believe we should stop polluting our planet and take any steps possible to stop killing ourselves and the world.
But I do not believe we can change the climate in any serious way.

Bit of a contradiction in terms there Valkie.

Contradiction - how so?

I agree with Valkie's comments.

I actually agree with the both of you, what we have done to this plant over the last 250yrs is irreversible and any effort from now on is a token gesture, the doomsday clock for the last humans on Earth is set for about 200yrs I reckon.

Sure.

I doubt that we've had any affect on the climate, though.

Moreover, I couldn't care less if humans become extinct.

The universe will probably be better off without us.

Moreover, lol Cheesy

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Reply #162 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:20pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:16pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 12:34pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:50pm:

Cook published his methodology and established how he came to his conclusion....You may not agree with his methodology or his conclusion but how do YOU declare it is bogus....Most of the papers would have been data that did not address the causes of global warming so they were excluded....Only 0.7% of abstracts rejected AGW whilst 32.6% of abstracts endorsed AGW....This equates to 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming....

Yes petal. Now how does exactly extrapolate to 97% of climate scientists? You don't just exclude data because it doesn't fit your pre-conceived ideas. Grin

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Abstract

We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research.

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

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We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming.

Let me explain it too you dickhead!!!

Cook analysed peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'....Got it!!!

66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW because they were research, analysis and data which climate scientists use to reach their hypothesis and form a conclusion....Got it!!!

So we are left with 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming!!!

The research is peer reviewed and published in reputable journals because it is supported by the evidence!!!

So dickhead, you don't just include data because it fits your pre-conceived ideas....Cook established how he reached his conclusion and has published his findings....The 66.4% of abstracts whom expressed no position on AGW were excluded because they did not reach any conclusion either way, they were research and data....You are a dickhead who has no idea and you are not a scientist....Just a stupid sceptic who is not very smart!!!

Peer review has given us the wonders of gender diversity, feminism, and a host of other social science nonsenses that we are now forced to deal with on a daily basis.... peer review should be kept within academia, and only allowed out on a tight chain....

Peer review by like-minded individual is not a very good yardstick on which to formulate a policy....

Yeah right....So we should ignore all those scientists and believe dickheads like you....No thanks???

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Reply #163 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:17pm:

lee wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 5:02pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 4:36pm:

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review which is obvious in you bullshit denial!!!

So your position is that you should only cherry pick the data that supports your conclusions? Grin

You continue to edit my posts and exclude the text that shows you are a dickhead....You are a deceitful prick aren't you when you are proven to be an idiot???

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Let me explain it too you again dickhead!!!

Cook analysed peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'....Got it!!!

66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW because they were research, analysis and data which climate scientists use to reach their hypothesis and form a conclusion....Got it!!!

So we are left with 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming!!!

The research is peer reviewed and published in reputable journals because it is supported by the evidence!!!

So dickhead, you don't just include data because it fits your pre-conceived ideas....Cook established how he reached his conclusion and has published his findings....The 66.4% of abstracts whom expressed no position on AGW were excluded because they did not reach any conclusion either way, they were research and data....You are a dickhead who has no idea and you are not a scientist....Just a stupid sceptic who is not very smart!!!

You do not understand the scientific method or peer review and claim NASA are using a bogus study which has been peer reviewed....You have no idea and are a waste of time!!!

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Lee is an upper-middle-class rich kid....... must be more than a billion of those on the internet!

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Reply #164 - Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:24pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 5^th, 2018 at 8:20pm:

Yeah right....So we should ignore all those scientists and believe dickheads like you....No thanks???

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Ooooh..nasty.. not like you Phil .... all dissenters are now dickheads for not slavishly following City Hall... never been my forte this following of City Hall...

You may believe which scientists you wish - but don't demand that others believe them as well.... so many experts these days... so many errors .....

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