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Reply #60 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:45pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Then why do you keep quoting Cook???

Because what he claims "the 97% consensus" is untrue.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:35pm:

Read what NASA and other well established organisations are saying!!!

if you actually read what NASA said -

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree"

Now if you click on that (1) unbracketed you get this-

J. Cook, et al, "Consensus on consensus: a synthesis of consensus estimates on human-caused global warming," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 11 No. 4, (13 April 2016); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

Quotation from page 6: "The number of papers rejecting AGW [Anthropogenic, or human-caused, Global Warming] is a miniscule proportion of the published research, with the percentage slightly decreasing over time. Among papers expressing a position on AGW, an overwhelming percentage (97.2% based on self-ratings, 97.1% based on abstract ratings) endorses the scientific consensus on AGW.”

J. Cook, et al, "Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature," Environmental Research Letters Vol. 8 No. 2, (15 May 2013); DOI:10.1088/1748-9326/8/2/024024

Quotation from page 3: "Among abstracts that expressed a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the scientific consensus. Among scientists who expressed a position on AGW in their abstract, 98.4% endorsed the consensus.”

Oh look circular reasoning. we should rely on Cook because of Cook. Grin

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #61 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:52pm Wow past my bedtime. For you Phil The Essence Of Science In 60 Seconds (Richard Feynman)
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #62 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:55pm Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:52pm: Wow past my bedtime. For you Phil The Essence Of Science In 60 Seconds (Richard Feynman) How do you know the Richard Feynman was not in it just for the money???
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Reply #63 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:56pm

The following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:
Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

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Reply #64 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:59pm

National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
Woods Hole Research Center
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

Ajax and Lee Don't believe though... ohh u 2 guys what studies and qualifications have u got ?
or is it just Rome that is brainwashing all these organizations ? Wink

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Reply #65 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:02pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:45pm:

if you actually read what NASA said -

Yes....If you read what NASA was saying instead of cherry picking and obsessing over Cook you might have some idea....What does NASA say about Global Warming....You keep avoiding that point???

Huh

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But to suggest global warming exists only because climate scientists need the money, you need to ignore melting ice sheets, rising sea levels, increasing extreme weather events, strings of record hot years, retreating glaciers, acidifying oceans, warming sea temperatures and bleaching corals. Or claim there is a conspiracy to manufacture these impacts in exchange for a wage.

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Reply #66 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:17pm

Ajax wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:09pm:

No one is denying that the Earth has warmed, it has been warming since the little ice age.

Some of the biggest alarmists walking the planet have come out of those organisations.

Organisations that receive money, lots of money to research Anthropogenic Global Warming and keep it in the head lines.

If you want to see if CO2 and temperature correlate have a look in our history, the answer is there, not what these money hungry scientists are telling us.

https://i.ibb.co/PMyqYw5/medieveal.jpg

The Lamb graph can be first traced back to the 1960's. It was only meant to be a general schematic of temperature data up to 1950.

People accuse Capitalism of being a "dog eat dog" system, yet it was the Communists who ate each other when they were starving!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #67 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:52pm philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:02pm: Yes....If you read what NASA was saying instead of cherry picking and obsessing over Cook you might have some idea....What does NASA say about Global Warming....You keep avoiding that point??? yes. NASA says John Cook's data is good.
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Reply #68 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:03pm

minarchist wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:17pm:

The Lamb graph can be first traced back to the 1960's. It was only meant to be a general schematic of temperature data up to 1950.

yes. And now? We have new papers saying the MWP existed.

"It is frequently pointed out that the MWP was a prosperous time in European history. The interval was concurrent with Norse explorations of the New World, the founding of Norse settlements in Iceland and Greenland, and increased agricultural productivity and crop diversity in northern Europe. Some paleoclimatologists and historians claim that the pleasant conditions of the MWP allowed the settlements in Iceland and Greenland to prosper and Norse explorers to venture to the coasts of Labrador and Newfoundland to hunt and fish. They interpret records of bountiful harvests over much of Europe to mean that the region benefited from a series of extended summers and mild winters. As proof of warmer average temperatures in northern Europe, they cite the existence of wheat cultivation and vineyards at latitudes and elevations that were far higher than today."

Greenland was actually a "Green land".

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Reply #69 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:16pm

lee wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 10:02pm:

Yes....If you read what NASA was saying instead of cherry picking and obsessing over Cook you might have some idea....What does NASA say about Global Warming....You keep avoiding that point???

yes. NASA says John Cook's data is good.

Yes but they also support the science of AGW as do many other reputable organisations!!!

You would do better to support your pathetic cherry picking argument with some pear reviewed science from a reputable source that disproves AGW....Off you go, I look forward to reading your contribution!!!

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Reply #70 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:20pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 9:59pm:

Ajax and Lee Don't believe though... ohh u 2 guys what studies and qualifications have u got ?
or is it just Rome that is brainwashing all these organizations ? Wink

They are liberal supporters which means they already get issued a PhD in climate science without attending a University Cheesy

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Reply #71 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:16pm:

Yes but they also support the science of AGW as do many other reputable organisations!!!

They support a bogus paper. how does that add credibility. And all those institutions? Not one has said Cook is bogus. Where does that leave their credibilty.

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:16pm:

You would do better to support your pathetic cherry picking argument with some pear reviewed science from a reputable source that disproves AGW..

How so funny. You do understand that would be trying to prove a negative.

That's why the burden of proof is on AGW. Something it has failed to do. Climate models are not proof of anything. Grin

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Reply #73 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:28pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:20pm:

They are liberal supporters which means they already get issued a PhD in climate science without attending a University

Remember those questions I asked before?

How many of those illustrious organisations gave their members a vote? How many made unilateral decisions?

They were not idle questions. Wink

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Reply #74 - Dec 4^th, 2018 at 11:29pm

**dons best David Att voice**

"and so we see.... with increasing clarit-eh........ that while ever the NORTHERN Hemisphere grows cold-ah... it is inevitable that the SOUTHERN Hemisphere will grow hott-ah! This occurs increasingly EVERY year ... regular as clockwork.... as the North cools down.... the South warms up..... and so begins... at the very moment of changeover .... the annual migration.... of one...... outstanding... spee-shez....... the Global Climate Change Scientist!

Seeking to find the WARMER climate for his theories.... this shy little fellow follows the path of the sun..... and the path of storm patterns... with a religious fervour.... only matched by the feeding frenz-eh of a Great White on steroids.....

Guided by an inner compass that recognises weather events with uncanny precision..... the Scientist bird makes a safe home..... in THIS seemingly inhospitable region of belief...... right .... here!!"

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