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Reply #195 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:13pm

You don't get away with your typical MO anymore Lee - focusing in on one small area of a sentence or article and ignoring what the whole picture is telling us.

No-one is falling for your rubbish anymore.

You are an exceptionally moronic person.

However, everyone knows that all you do is attempt to sell your denial snake oil.

No-one is buying it. Grin

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Reply #196 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:16pm

lee wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 6:44pm:

Not only the 1970's you far quit. Roll Eyes

e.g.

"2012 was "unambiguously" the most intense melt year on record in Greenland."

You notice that didn't say that was " that melting occurred on a scale beyond what could possibly be explained by a fluctuation around a stable average of ice cover".

What about 2018 you were talking how well yesterday?

How come Greenland used to be green and was a place where people lived?

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Reply #197 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:24pm

Correction. Bobby is buying Lee's denial snake oil. Grin

Oh, and Bobby, there is no denying that the planet has undergone changes over its history.

There was a time when there was next to no free oxygen in the atmosphere.

There was a time when the continents looked very different. Gondwanaland for example.

However, changes in nature take place over very long time periods. Some take millions of years, some thousands.

Mans influence on the atmosphere though has only taken 70 years to get the CO₂ count up from 300 ppm to over 400 ppm as an example.

The Greenland Ice Sheet melt has become progressively worse from after the industrial revolution and is accelerating.

Don't fall for Lee's snake oil pitch. He is content to peddle his nonsense Ad infinitum. However, people are awake up to his MO now and treat him as a joke.

No matter how often or how creative his method of delivery, what he is delivering is just the same old poo.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122093 Melbourne Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #198 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:32pm Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:24pm: Correction. Bobby is buying Lee's denial snake oil. Come on - answer me. How come Greenland used to be green and was a place where people lived? Also - what was the CO2 level during those times taken from old ice cores?
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Reply #199 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Correction. Bobby is buying Lee's denial snake oil. Grin

Come on - answer me.
How come Greenland used to be green and was a place where people lived?

Also - what was the CO2 level during those times
taken from old ice cores?

The CO₂ level has not got over 300 ppm for the last 800,000 years or so, the natural cycle of fluctuation from 200 ppm to 300 ppm took 5,000 years - however - after the industrial revolution got going and more recently - in only 70 years there has been a jump from 300 to 400 ppm.

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Reply #200 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:50pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:32pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

Correction. Bobby is buying Lee's denial snake oil. Grin

Come on - answer me.
How come Greenland used to be green and was a place where people lived?

Also - what was the CO2 level during those times
taken from old ice cores?

The CO₂ level has not got over 300 ppm for the last 800,000 years or so, the natural cycle of fluctuation from 200 ppm to 300 ppm took 5,000 years - however - after the industrial revolution got going and more recently - in only 70 years there has been a jump from 300 to 400 ppm.

Why was it much warmer in Greenland when CO2 levels were lower?
What caused it?
Why weren't the sea levels much higher around the world?

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16760 Melbourne Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #201 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:53pm Bobby, go look up the work on ocean currents and water circulation, the blockage of warmer currents and the effects of continental drift, you will find it very informative. Otherwise, you will remain either ignorant or apathetic about AGW
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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 122093 Melbourne Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #202 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 8:06pm Captain Nemo is stumped. Anyone else?
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Reply #203 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 8:11pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:13pm:

You don't get away with your typical MO anymore Lee - focusing in on one small area of a sentence or article and ignoring what the whole picture is telling us.

Oh dear. You get the big picture? You do understand the difference between a claim of " that melting occurred on a scale beyond what could possibly be explained by a fluctuation around a stable average of ice cover" and ""2012 was "unambiguously" the most intense melt year on record in Greenland."

Hint: only one is about rate of change. Wink

You still claiming the the melt is accelerating from 2015 to 2018? Grin

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Reply #204 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 8:18pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:47pm:

The CO2 level has not got over 300 ppm for the last 800,000 years or so, the natural cycle of fluctuation from 200 ppm to 300 ppm took 5,000 years - however - after the industrial revolution got going and more recently - in only 70 years there has been a jump from 300 to 400 ppm.

That is based only on ice core data not plant stomata data. And there are problems with ice core data. look up CO2 in the firn.

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Reply #205 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 8:20pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 7:53pm:

Bobby, go look up the work on ocean currents and water circulation, the blockage of warmer currents and the effects of continental drift, you will find it very informative.

Please tell us all about continental drift in the last 1,000 years, and how that affected Greenland.

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Reply #206 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 8:26pm

"180 Years of Atmospheric Co2 Gas Analysis by Chemical Methods
Ernst-Georg Beck

"More than 90,000 accurate chemical analyses of CO2 in air since 1812 are summarised. The historic chemical data reveal that changes in CO2 track changes in temperature, and therefore climate in contrast to the simple, monotonically increasing CO2 trend depicted in the post-1990 literature on climate-change. Since 1812, the CO2 concentration in northern hemispheric air has fluctuated exhibiting three high level maxima around 1825, 1857 and 1942 the latter showing more than 400 ppm.

Between 1857 and 1958, the Pettenkofer process was the standard analytical method for determining atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, and usually achieved an accuracy better than 3%. These determinations were made by several scientists of Nobel Prize level distinction. Following Callendar (1938), modern climatologists have generally ignored the historic determinations of CO2, despite the techniques being standard text book procedures in several different disciplines. Chemical methods were discredited as unreliable choosing only few which fit the assumption of a climate CO2 connection."

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1260/095830507780682147#

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16760 Melbourne Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #207 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 9:05pm Just more of the same old stuff you keep delivering Lee. All your stuff is redundant.
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Reply #208 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 9:18pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 7^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:

All your stuff is redundant.

yes petal.

"redundant adjective (NOT NEEDED)

C2 (especially of a word, phrase, etc.) unnecessary because it is more than is needed:"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/redundant

Note: not that it is false. Wink

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16760 Melbourne Gender:	Re: David Attenborough gives dire warning on climate ! Reply #209 - Dec 7^th, 2018 at 9:35pm Redundant synonyms beside the point extra foreign immaterial impertinent inadmissible inapplicable inappropriate incidental off the subject peripheral pointless superfluous unconnected unnecessary unrelated Maybe you can turn yourself around but I doubt it.
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