matty
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Bam wrote on Nov 27 th, 2018 at 5:08pm: matty wrote on Nov 27 th, 2018 at 10:12am: Bam wrote on Nov 27 th, 2018 at 9:32am: matty wrote on Nov 27 th, 2018 at 9:25am: Bam wrote on Nov 27 th, 2018 at 9:08am: matty wrote on Nov 26 th, 2018 at 11:28pm: Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat.  Greens: 9.2% of the vote - 1 seat. Derryn Hinch's Justice Party: 3.4% of the vote - 4 seats. Transport Matters Party: 0.6% of the vote - 2 seats. Anyone who thinks this is a good result has no concept of fairness and is clueless about what's really going on. The same collusion mechanism that rigged the election so the Greens won only one seat with 9.2% of the vote can just as easily be used to exclude other parties. It shows why ticket voting in the Legislative Council is a farce and must be abolished. Voting must be in the hands of the voters, not political parties. A more proportional result for 40 seats would look like this: | Party | Seats | Votes | | Animal Justice Party | 1 | 2.4% | | Australian Greens | 4 | 9.2% | | Australian Labor Party | 18 | 40.2% | | Derryn Hinch's Justice Party | 1 | 3.4% | | Labour DLP | 1 | 2.1% | | Liberal/National | 13 | 28.7% | | Liberal Democrats | 1 | 2.4% | | Shooters Fishers and Farmers | 1 | 3.4% |
Fair point but the Greens being kept out is just soooo good. No, it isn't. Your rabid anti-Greens bias is blinding you to the fundamental unfairness of this. This same malappropriation of ticket votes has also disadvantaged the Liberals, who have received very few preferences from above-the-line votes from other parties. Having one man holding so much power is a perversion of democracy, and I hope Druery ends up in jail. He's been openly canvassing bribes for votes and he's already been referred to the police. Be honest though - would you be saying the same thing had this happened to One Nation, as it has in the past? On this point, I say that group ticket voting should be abolished. I have been saying this for some time. Bam wrote on Feb 14 th, 2016 at 12:19pm: Abolish group voting tickets
Abolish how to vote cards
Allow voters to vote for groups above the line or single candidates below the line
Everyone gets a box above the line, not just grouped candidates
Sensible reforms to consider! Bam wrote on Sep 8 th, 2013 at 10:08am: I feel vindicated here. I started a thread about the farcical nature of Senate voting before the election and it is interesting - and rather disturbing - to see just how right I am.
It is a farce that parties we haven't heard of have probably got elected to the Senate.
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Keating called the Senate "unrepresentative swill". Never have his words rung so true as they have with this vote. Minor parties should not be elected based on a lottery, as has clearly happened in NSW; the "Liberal Democrats" won group A on the NSW ballot while the "Liberal and Nationals" group were buried in Group Y.
If ever there's a case to abolish ticket voting, it was eloquently made with this result. I hope both major parties learn a lesson from this. The Liberals in particular should feel aggrieved given that these results have probably cost them seats. The sooner we replace the Senate voting with a simpler system, the better off we will all be. It has been abolished for federal elections but it should be abolished for state elections as well. On this point though, there is an alternative whereby you can decide EXACTLY where your preferences go: vote below the line, and list every box so that you can order your favourite to least favourite precisely. I have always done that. Next election will be no different, as I am able to put the hypocritical, sanctimonious, white, misandrist anti-Australian Greens dead last.
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