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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:28pm Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 99711	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #1 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 1:17am matty wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:28pm: Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat. Does it have something to do with animal welfare, Matty? Please explain.
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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #2 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 3:48am Even better news was Libs got absolutely hammered
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Reply #3 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:08am

matty wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:28pm:

Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat.

Greens: 9.2% of the vote - 1 seat.
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party: 3.4% of the vote - 4 seats.
Transport Matters Party: 0.6% of the vote - 2 seats.

Anyone who thinks this is a good result has no concept of fairness and is clueless about what's really going on. The same collusion mechanism that rigged the election so the Greens won only one seat with 9.2% of the vote can just as easily be used to exclude other parties. It shows why ticket voting in the Legislative Council is a farce and must be abolished. Voting must be in the hands of the voters, not political parties.

A more proportional result for 40 seats would look like this:

Party	Seats	Votes
Animal Justice Party	1	2.4%
Australian Greens	4	9.2%
Australian Labor Party	18	40.2%
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party	1	3.4%
Labour DLP	1	2.1%
Liberal/National	13	28.7%
Liberal Democrats	1	2.4%
Shooters Fishers and Farmers	1	3.4%

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Reply #4 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:12am

Its time wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 3:48am:

Even better news was Libs got absolutely hammered

They did, but they're gaining ground as counting progresses. They're about to gain a seat off Labor in the Northern Metropolitan region. They're currently behind the third Labor candidate by two votes on the final count.

Australian Labor Party 45,425
Liberal 45,423

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #5 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:13am Great news, the left still won.
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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #6 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:21am There needs to be a change in voting system for upper houses and senates. Its not democratic when micro parties that get a handful of votes get seats.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #7 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:22am The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:21am: There needs to be a change in voting system for upper houses and senates. Its not democratic when micro parties that get a handful of votes get seats. Malcolm Roberts anyone?
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Reply #8 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:25am

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:08am:

matty wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:28pm:

Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat.

Greens: 9.2% of the vote - 1 seat.
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party: 3.4% of the vote - 4 seats.
Transport Matters Party: 0.6% of the vote - 2 seats.

Anyone who thinks this is a good result has no concept of fairness and is clueless about what's really going on. The same collusion mechanism that rigged the election so the Greens won only one seat with 9.2% of the vote can just as easily be used to exclude other parties. It shows why ticket voting in the Legislative Council is a farce and must be abolished. Voting must be in the hands of the voters, not political parties.

A more proportional result for 40 seats would look like this:

Party	Seats	Votes
Animal Justice Party	1	2.4%
Australian Greens	4	9.2%
Australian Labor Party	18	40.2%
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party	1	3.4%
Labour DLP	1	2.1%
Liberal/National	13	28.7%
Liberal Democrats	1	2.4%
Shooters Fishers and Farmers	1	3.4%

Fair point but the Greens being kept out is just soooo good.

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Reply #9 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:26am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:13am:

Great news, the left still won.

The left has been robbed of about four or five Legislative Council seats. A fairer result would have had 23 Left-leaning seats. The left are only going to get about 18 or 19 or so.

If Labor doesn't reform elections for the Legislative Council, the next election will be even worse. Two reforms that must be considered: abolishing ticket voting, imposing a minimum qualifying threshold for election of 2% to 3%.

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matty Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11055 East Sydney Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #10 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:26am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:13am: Great news, the left still won. Labor won, the Coalition was decimated. Everyone knows that; it’s been reported everywhere. Funny though, that the ABC have neglected to report this.
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Reply #11 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:27am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:22am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:21am:

There needs to be a change in voting system for upper houses and senates. Its not democratic when micro parties that get a handful of votes get seats.

Malcolm Roberts anyone?

No. Try again.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13490 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!! Reply #12 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:28am Good to see the Greens losing influence since they seem to be more of an obstructionist party these days, getting in the way of things actually being done. That's part of the reason Andrews improved the Labor vote. Getting things done, that's the key to success.
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Reply #13 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:32am

matty wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:25am:

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:08am:

matty wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:28pm:

Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat.

Greens: 9.2% of the vote - 1 seat.
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party: 3.4% of the vote - 4 seats.
Transport Matters Party: 0.6% of the vote - 2 seats.

Anyone who thinks this is a good result has no concept of fairness and is clueless about what's really going on. The same collusion mechanism that rigged the election so the Greens won only one seat with 9.2% of the vote can just as easily be used to exclude other parties. It shows why ticket voting in the Legislative Council is a farce and must be abolished. Voting must be in the hands of the voters, not political parties.

A more proportional result for 40 seats would look like this:

Party	Seats	Votes
Animal Justice Party	1	2.4%
Australian Greens	4	9.2%
Australian Labor Party	18	40.2%
Derryn Hinch's Justice Party	1	3.4%
Labour DLP	1	2.1%
Liberal/National	13	28.7%
Liberal Democrats	1	2.4%
Shooters Fishers and Farmers	1	3.4%

Fair point but the Greens being kept out is just soooo good.

No, it isn't. Your rabid anti-Greens bias is blinding you to the fundamental unfairness of this. This same malappropriation of ticket votes has also disadvantaged the Liberals, who have received very few preferences from above-the-line votes from other parties.

Having one man holding so much power is a perversion of democracy, and I hope Druery ends up in jail. He's been openly canvassing bribes for votes and he's already been referred to the police.

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Re: Great news: Greens lose 4/5 seats in Vic!!!!!!!!!!
Reply #14 - Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:34am

matty wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:27am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:22am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:21am:

There needs to be a change in voting system for upper houses and senates. Its not democratic when micro parties that get a handful of votes get seats.

Malcolm Roberts anyone?

No. Try again.

Why is that? He's the perfect eaxmple of the point

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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