aquascoot wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 6:11am:


Very true, and good analogy. The most pertinent example of this, IMO, is Morrison not pulling out of Paris. A lot of former Coalition voters would take heart if he simply said that climate change is false and pulled out of Paris. But no, he knows best, and that is why his poll numbers are so good. There are other examples of course, where he could be stronger, this is just one.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 7:39am:


I agree with you that they are all corrupt, but who blamed Muslims for what do you mean?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 7:39am:


ah , but they sold those assets because the voters , like whining toddlers , wanted to get more $$$ .
the voters (also known as the whining entitled toddlers) whined and bitched and said "gimme, gimme, gimme".  and the weak pandering politicians did exactly that.

if a fat toddler  was sooking because you wont give him candy and soft drink, is it an act of love to give it to him.  just so he'll think you are a "nice guy".

i say "hay you little fat puke, get outside and go for a jog"...hence he has a chance to move up in the world.
the "compassionate politician"  says "oh poor baby, let me soothe you with some goodies, do you like me now, will you vote for me?"

politicians are just vibing with the voters and the voters are in a "taker " mentality.
they just want to take.

take , take , take......when you are a taker you are what the buddhists call a "hungry ghost".
your life becomes a living hell of scarcity.
no matter how much you get, you always see it as not being enough.
your life is garbage.

you need to give to break out of that cycle.

if the country doesnt start to become a country of givers and contributors, its screwed

matty wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 7:44am:



Yes, but you do realise thats the current problem the Libs have. Australian elections have always been decided by capturing the centre. Howard flogged Latham essentially because the right Labor voters hated Latham being that far left and drifted to Howard. If Morrison goes any further right then he risks losing the small l Liberals, and he'll get flogged.

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 10:09am:



for sure,
when you have 70 % takers and 30 % contributors, then the takers will demand to remain in perpetual low vibration whining and ingratitude and live in scarcity.
thats life for most of the population,  jealous of the guy who is successful and unable to comprehend that you have to give and give and give before you recieve.

i totally get it.

why would you be a sucker and give
why not be a taker

trouble is , it doesnt work

it doesnt work on a personal level and it doesnt work for society.

all socialist societies crumble and decay and end up in mayhem
seriously look at the french currently trashing paris becuase they are being asked to give to the government.
socialism is a catastrophe.
telling people its ok to be a taker is a catastrophe.
the life of a taker is one of pure suffering and garbage.

they will never have enough, they will never he happy.

until they embrace that life is hard and you have to find joy in pushing thru that, then they are screwed.
and the country is screwed if it starts to pander to the takers.
its a step backwards in evolutionary progress and turns people into selfish animals .

aquascoot wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 11:05am:


But Aqua, when you talk about takers.  Those takers, are not your traditional red shirt labor - so called, generational welfare grabbers.  Most of them have worked and paid tax for all of their lives, and they are just come to the point of their life that they need help.  And there are alot of them, because we are having an ageing population.  For all we know, YOU aqua could well be one of those 'takers' later in life.  Yes... perhaps you have planned well for your life, you are well off.  All it takes is one accident, one episode of chest pain, one drink driver, to turn anyone's life upside down.   Not to mention, if you lucky enough to live longer than what you have planned for. 

You mentioned: why would you be a sucker and give why not be a taker. 

Well, the answer you would get is that, most people work now, and be a sucker, because they see that in the future, in case they need help, then, the government will help them.  If you have a society where there is nothing to give back for hard work, then, whats the point of hard work?  The society will break down to every man for himself environment.  Is that a type of society that you wanted?  Is that the type of society Australia is, or ever was? 

Think about it.

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 2:24pm:


This is the problem of all societies.  I challenge you to find one country in the world that ever existed who did not have these issues.   Whilst people like Aqua sees this problem, and attribute it to socialism, and blame those who takes.  I attribute these to a society where greed and monetary success is valued above humanity.   

You talk about financial fraud / scams / banking dishonesty:  they were done by profit driven public companies who thinks that they are above the law, because they are too big to fail.  They are not afraid to do whatever they like, because when they failed, they would put their greed hands into pockets of tax payers to bail them out.   Sort of socializing their losses. 

High energy bills and energy security due to privatization of our energy supply.  So much so that many of them are foreign owned, and their priority is profit driven.   At the same time, it slaughtered our apprenticeship programs that provide valuable experience for our next generation, at the same time, the private companies is welcome to import cheaper skilled migrants or worse, 'outsource' it over seas to cut cost.

And in each right wing / small government, mental health services are always the ones that gets butchered left right and centre.  It is now upto a state, that unless, you are putting a knife on your throat (or someone elses) in emergency department, you get a call back only, and usually in the form of telling you to go to see your GP and get a care plan. 

So all these problems Bias.  It is as clear as day and night that you cant solve it without collective effort of everyone.  And that means more funding.   In Australia, a small government that right winger's want will not work.  There HAS to be a balance between right and left wing.  Regulation and free market.   Running a government is not like running a household budget. 

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2018 at 8:40am:


Yes, and that only emphasises my point, doesn’t it?