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★ Most Americans Oppose Ban on “America’s Rifle"
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: Most Americans Oppose Ban on “America’s Rifle”


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.....Gallup released the results of a poll which included a finding that should surprise no one:
Americans oppose a ban on AR-15s
and similar semiautomatic firearms by robust a margin of 17%. Meanwhile, current support for such a ban is 7% lower than the historical trend dating back to 1996, when Gallup first began polling on the issue. Americans, in other words, appear not to have been swayed by the intense media editorializing, celebrity pontificating, and youthful activism of the past year aimed at prohibiting what are by all accounts the most popular types of rifles in the country.

Of course, even in America, you could probably find people who would claim to support a ban on apple pie. It’s not very nutritious, they might say. It’s regressive, others might insist. Americans, after all, have the right to their opinions, even the unpopular ones.

When it comes to guns, the minority opinion is strongest among people who identify as Democrats. Gallup’s latest poll shows 56% of Democrats would support a ban on semiautomatic rifles, 16% above the national average. That is more than twice the percentage of Republicans (25%) who responded the same way. But even among Democrats, support for a semiauto ban has fallen 7 points since this time last year, notwithstanding the fact that some pundits were predicting that 2018 would finally be the year when banning highly popular guns would somehow become a winning political issue.   

So what has all the “game-changing” post-Parkland grandstanding accomplished in the last eight months?

When it comes to banning guns, apparently nothing.

And it’s not just us who think so.

No one individual has shoveled more bad money into the gun control cause than billionaire Michael Bloomberg. In fact his insistence on burning huge sums of money on the issue for minimal returns almost makes you wonder how he ever got so rich in the first place.

But even he seems to understand the reality of the current situation.

According to an article in the Washington Times, Everytown for Gun Safety – the umbrella group for Bloomberg’s gun control activism – has actually shifted its midterm election spending into “ads covering abortion, health care and the Republican tax bill – but nary a mention of assault rifles … . “

Commenting for the article, gun control advocate Adam Winkler mused, “Perhaps the gun issue has waned a bit in the absence of highly publicized mass shootings in the past few months.”

And that, of course, is the irony of the gun ban movement: it needs the very events it claims to want to prevent for anyone to pay attention to it.

Even then, however, that attention and intensity typically prove to be short-lived.

Hyping other issues, of course, does not actually signal a retreat by Everytown from its gun control agenda. Rather, it’s a recognition that gun controllers will have to buy votes and politicians by other means to force their prohibitionist views downward on the American people, rather than using those views to inspire people to support their candidates in the first place.

In other words, it’s pretty much the opposite of a true grassroots approach.

Take, for example, Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO), who was embarrassed this week by the release of audio recordings catching her and her staffers admitting that they conceal or downplay her true positions on issues like gun control in order to mislead voters on the positions she will take once elected.

All this is exactly why NRA-ILA – a true grassroots organization – is dedicated to ensuring that voters know exactly what they’re getting when it comes to the Second Amendment views of political candidates.


You might even say we try to make it as easy as pie … apple pie, of course.



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Missourians saw through McCaskill's Black-Tongued Lies, & showed her the door, which they summarily slammed on her stank ass with their votes!!!  ...


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Yet another reason not to visit that shithole.
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All of those kids ended up obese.
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Boy any evidence for any of that nonsense?
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If I lived in the US, I would like to be able to carry a gun.

So no way can I virtue signal on this topic.
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miketrees wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:17am:
If I lived in the US, I would like to be able to carry a gun.

So no way can I virtue signal on this topic.




I wouldn't. My penis is big enough.
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The only dodgy guy in a suit we have helping children is Harold for health.
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Yet another reason not to visit that shithole.

America, lol: they've gotta pasta loving junkies everywhere over there... why the hell would they need you?
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What country do you claim nationality to again broseph?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:09am:
Panther wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:04am:


All of those kids ended up obese.

All pastafarians ended up with big heads...  Wink
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miketrees wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:17am:
If I lived in the US, I would like to be able to carry a gun.

So no way can I virtue signal on this topic.




I wouldn't. My penis is big enough.

You wouldn't even go there because you're a toffee nosed pastafarian!
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That's true, Panther. WWI and II were nothing like today.

How did liberals deconstruct the American family? I'm curious. I'm keen to know what you think.
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Americans oppose a ban on AR-15s and similar semiautomatic firearms by robust a margin of 17%.


This is how the spin goes.

A whopping 17% gee that means that only 83% support the ban.

Gun nuts no brains or morality.
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If you get 17% support in a poll how do you go about spinning that it is a good result ?

Well it does beat their previous 15% support.

There are dopes who post this rubbish on a web site to show how well they are going - DUH !

This is a good result for them considering most surveys find that about 92% support increased gun control.
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Dnarever wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 7:04pm:
If you get 17% support in a poll how do you go about spinning that it is a good result ?

57% not 17% Americans oppose banning AR-15s


Well it does beat their previous 15% support.

There are dopes who post this rubbish on a web site to show how well they are going - DUH !

This is a good result for them considering most surveys find that about 92% support increased gun control.


You can't read fella.....


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USA can be who they like in their 'own little world'.


What's scary is all the Australians (including the Prime Ministers) who want this country to be just like the USA, believe that being so - is our path to 'independence' from Britain, etc.
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UPPER MARLBORO, Md. — There are a lot of reasons people love their AR-15 semiautomatic rifles, and it doesn't much matter to them what the haters say.

For some, the gun is a tool, a finely tuned machine that can cut down an animal or intruder, or pierce a distant target, with a single precise shot.

For others, it is a toy, a sleek beast of black plastic and metal that delivers a gratifying blast of adrenaline.

And for many, it is a symbol, the embodiment of core American values — freedom, might, self-reliance.

“There are very few things that serve such a great form and function, and look cool,” said Daniel Chandler, 26, an AR-15 owner here in suburban Maryland. When he takes his AR out of its case at a shooting range, he smiles like he just unwrapped a gift. “There are few things you’ll find that are wonderfully appealing to look at, wonderful exercises in mechanical engineering, and that could save your life.”

This is the side of the AR-15 that many don’t see, or ever consider.

Because an AR-15, or a variant, was reportedly used in several mass shootings — including Aurora, Colorado; Newtown, Connecticut; San Bernardino,California; Sutherland Springs, Texas; Las Vegas and Parkland, Florida, in which a total of 154 people were killed — this civilian sibling of a military assault rifle is an exceptionally polarizing product of modern American industry. The AR-15 and its semiautomatic cousins — they shoot one round for each pull of the trigger ─ incite repulsion among those who see them as excessive, grotesque and having no place on the civilian market.

It is the focus of multiple attempts at prohibition, which in turn has prompted people to run out and buy more. Such “panic buying” drove sales of AR-15s to record levels during the presidency of Barack Obama and the 2016 presidential campaign. Gun merchants say some buyers are also driven by a fascination with a weapon used in notoriously heinous crimes.
Once banned, these assault rifles are hugely popular in the U.S.
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Fears of a ban have subsided under gun-friendly President Donald Trump, and so have sales; gun makers are in the midst of a year-long slump that has driven down prices for AR-style rifles. Those discounts appear to have driven a record number of Black Friday gun background checks.

Devotees say the AR-15 has been wrongly demonized, arguing that the vast majority of owners never use it in a crime, and that despite the rifle’s use in mass shootings, it is responsible for a very small proportion of the country’s gun violence.

Thanks to that ardent following, and shrewd marketing, the AR-15 remains a jewel of the gun industry,
the country’s most popular rifle
, irreversibly lodged into American culture
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The AR-15 is America's Rifle of Choice........America's most popular rifle. Many of America's gun-owners own at least one AR-15.

Just because they have been used in a few mass shootings means nothing......the AR-15 is one of America's most popular firearms, & despite it's lopsided notoriety, very few of America's 10+ million (the conservative estimate is about 10 million, but because it is illegal for the US Government to have a National Firearm Database, the actual number is totally unknown) very few of America's 10+ million or so AR-15s have actually been used in the commission of crime ......
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You should know something about a subject before you shout an opinion! AR, AK, MP5, UZI etc. The problem is moral decay, not some inanimate object.  These firearms were readily available for decades before they somehow became problems.

At the moment Romain lettuce is more dangerous then the AR-15 rifle!
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For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

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Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.





What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the mentally ill guns is not a great idea?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.
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Reply #26 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:49am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.




I agree, its just from what I read that most Americans feel that there should at least be some limits on who gets guns, whilst 2nd amendment nuts are comfortable with violent psychotics owning them cause of the slippery slope fallacy.
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Reply #27 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:52am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.




I agree, its just from what I read that most Americans feel that there should at least be some limits on who gets guns, whilst 2nd amendment nuts are comfortable with violent psychotics owning them cause of the slippery slope fallacy.



There are already laws to prohibit the mentally ill from possessing firearms, sometimes those laws are ignored! Felons and those dishonorably discharged from the Military are also banned from possessing firearms. We also have laws about the possession of certain drugs but those laws are largely ignored as well. A criminal by his nature does not care what laws are passed and will do as he pleases and restricting the Rights of law abiding citizens cures nothing!
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Reply #28 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:57am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the "
violent
" mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.




I agree, its just from what I read that most Americans feel that there should at least be some limits on who gets guns, whilst 2nd amendment nuts are comfortable with violent psychotics owning them cause of the slippery slope fallacy.


Agreed.......Strengthen the existing laws regarding medical reporting......Make it absolutely mandatory that every GP, every Psychiatrist, & every Psychologist, under the threat of stiff fines & mandatory imprisonment, force them to report every person they diagnose as violent mentally ill to the National Database, presently used for clearing potential firearms owners, & verify their inclusion into the database with those responsible for maintaining that database.

Mental illness must also be re-defined/re-catigorized to ensure that those who's mental illness is completely non-violent, as an example, the non-violent mentally ill who just need another person to do their finances & taxes, so they aren't included in this database along with the violent mentally ill.

Also without exception, force the inclusion of every felon, prior to their release from prison, with verification of such inclusion with those responsible for maintaining that database, into the FBI National Database presently used for clearing potential firearms owners.    
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Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:52am:
There are already laws to prohibit the mentally ill from possessing firearms, sometimes those laws are ignored! 
Since most mentally ill people are undiagnosed then those laws are largely ineffective Mort, not because the laws are ignored.
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Reply #30 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:00am
 
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.




I agree, its just from what I read that most Americans feel that there should at least be some limits on who gets guns, whilst 2nd amendment nuts are comfortable with violent psychotics owning them cause of the slippery slope fallacy.


Agreed.......Strengthen the existing laws regarding medical reporting......Make it absolutely mandatory that every GP, every Psychiatrist, & every Psychologist, under the threat of stiff fines & mandatory imprisonment, force them to report every person they diagnose as violent mentally ill to the National Database, presently used for clearing potential firearms owners, & verify their inclusion into the database with those responsible for maintaining that database.

Mental illness must also be re-defined/re-catigorized to ensure that those who's mental illness is completely non-violent, as an example, the non-violent mentally ill who just need another person to do their finances & taxes, so they aren't included in this database along with the violent mentally ill.

Also without exception, force the inclusion of every felon, prior to their release from prison, with verification of such inclusion with those responsible for maintaining that database, into the FBI National Database presently used for clearing potential firearms owners.    
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Absolutley pointless for the reason I just mentioned, it is impossible to stop the mentally ill obtaining firearms if they are available to the average person.
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Reply #31 - Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:05am
 
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 10:57am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:50am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 8:49am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 5:23am:
For all those supporting the narrative of the OP, do any support any measures that help reduce gun violence that will either actually be effective, or result in less guns in the community?

But is the results surprising really?  You have a Liar in the oval office who is willing to put his needs well above the people.  The 2nd amendment has never been more appropriate.


Absolutely, for starters.......enforce the gun laws that are already on the books.

Increase all penalties for use of a firearm in criminal activity....commit a crime using a gun....a non-parole mandatory 15 years to life.

If someone is killed during the commission of a crime, even if you do not fire the weapon, a non-parole mandatory sentence of 25 years to life.

A second offense of using a firearm in the commission of a crime incurs a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.



What about limiting who gets guns? Would you agree giving the "
violent
" mentally ill guns is not a great idea?


I would think prevention is better than the "cure", especially when it's people's lives we're talking about here.

But the right to own, carry or conceal a gun seems to be more important than that.

If only we could use the same sort of language used about firearms and Obama when we talk about Trump, but I guess, as Panther puts it, it's ok to threaten to kill the Ex-HNIC, even when he was president.

I doubt that follows on for Trump, he's not black.




I agree, its just from what I read that most Americans feel that there should at least be some limits on who gets guns, whilst 2nd amendment nuts are comfortable with violent psychotics owning them cause of the slippery slope fallacy.


Agreed.......Strengthen the existing laws regarding medical reporting......Make it absolutely mandatory that every GP, every Psychiatrist, & every Psychologist, under the threat of stiff fines & mandatory imprisonment, force them to report every person they diagnose as violent mentally ill to the National Database, presently used for clearing potential firearms owners, & verify their inclusion into the database with those responsible for maintaining that database.

Mental illness must also be re-defined/re-catigorized to ensure that those who's mental illness is completely non-violent, as an example, the non-violent mentally ill who just need another person to do their finances & taxes, so they aren't included in this database along with the violent mentally ill.

Also without exception, force the inclusion of every felon, prior to their release from prison, with verification of such inclusion with those responsible for maintaining that database, into the FBI National Database presently used for clearing potential firearms owners.    
  Wink



The problem is I guess a mass shooter who is Muslim, must be a terrorist. If he's white, mentally ill.
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rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:00am:
Absolutley pointless for the reason I just mentioned, it is impossible to stop the mentally ill obtaining firearms if they are available to the average person.

In America, according to the Supreme Law of the Land, barring anyone from owning a firearm without just cause is, & always has been, completely illegal.

In America the Government, who serves the people...not the other way around, is not permitted by the people they serve from infringing upon their right to keep & bear arms....period.

Now, if to save some lives the American People are wanting to change that Law of the Land.....their Constitution (the Peoples document, not the governments document).....specifically the 2nd Amendment, the People have always had the right to do so, & have done so in the past because they either wanted to or they needed to.

It's spelled out clearly within the US Constitution.....the precise steps that need to be taken by the people, to make any changes/modifications to their sacred document.

Once accomplished, the Law is changed.....until then
"..... the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not Be Infringed."

That's not a request of the American People, it is their Demand given directly to the Federal Government, that by Law must be obeyed by the government, if it wishes continued permission to govern..........Period.
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I wonder if they meant actual arms, not firearms.
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Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:34am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:00am:
Absolutley pointless for the reason I just mentioned, it is impossible to stop the mentally ill obtaining firearms if they are available to the average person.

In America, according to the Supreme Law of the Land, barring anyone from owning a firearm without just cause is, & always has been, completely illegal.

In America the Government, who serves the people...not the other way around, is not permitted by the people they serve from infringing upon their right to keep & bear arms....period.

Now, if to save some lives the American People are wanting to change that Law of the Land.....their Constitution (the Peoples document, not the governments document).....specifically the 2nd Amendment, the People have always had the right to do so, & have done so in the past because they either wanted to or they needed to.

It's spelled out clearly within the US Constitution.....the precise steps that need to be taken by the people, to make any changes/modifications to their sacred document.

Once accomplished, the Law is changed.....until then
"..... the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not Be Infringed."

That's not a request of the American People, it is their Demand given directly to the Federal Government, that by Law must be obeyed by the government, if it wishes continued permission to govern..........Period.
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I wonder if they meant actual arms, not firearms.


It's possible.


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America's Rifle: Why so many people love the AR-15


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.........Chandler loves the AR he built. He admires its simple, efficient mechanics, its precision, and how much fun it brings. He fires almost weekly for target practice, along with a Glock 17 handgun. He’s taken his wife to the range with him, and she’s become an AR fan herself, preparing to build her own.

Chandler, who is black, doesn't have many friends who enjoy guns as much as he does. So he has created afirearm-focused Instagram page to find similarly minded people, many of them millennial first-generation gun owners like himself.

“The AR-15 makes sense, and I think that’s why more people my age are gravitating to it,” Chandler said.


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rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:44am:
Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:34am:
rhino wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 11:00am:
Absolutley pointless for the reason I just mentioned, it is impossible to stop the mentally ill obtaining firearms if they are available to the average person.

In America, according to the Supreme Law of the Land, barring anyone from owning a firearm without just cause is, & always has been, completely illegal.

In America the Government, who serves the people...not the other way around, is not permitted by the people they serve from infringing upon their right to keep & bear arms....period.

Now, if to save some lives the American People are wanting to change that Law of the Land.....their Constitution (the Peoples document, not the governments document).....specifically the 2nd Amendment, the People have always had the right to do so, & have done so in the past because they either wanted to or they needed to.

It's spelled out clearly within the US Constitution.....the precise steps that need to be taken by the people, to make any changes/modifications to their sacred document.

Once accomplished, the Law is changed.....until then
"..... the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, Shall Not Be Infringed."

That's not a request of the American People, it is their Demand given directly to the Federal Government, that by Law must be obeyed by the government, if it wishes continued permission to govern..........Period.
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The AR-15 Is Comfort



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Megan Hill, 26, target shoots this month with an AR-15 at the Nephi City Shooting Range
in Nephi, Utah.Kim Raff / for NBC News




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Megan Hill’s relationship with guns goes back as far as she can remember; her parents and grandfather kept firearms in their Southern California homes, and an early boyfriend took her hunting and target shooting. But it wasn’t until she married, moved to Utah and was preparing to have children that she decided to get her own.


She and her husband researched which gun would meet their needs: something safe, reliable and versatile.

“We looked at the AR-15, and it was all in one package,” Hill, 26, recalled. “You can target-shoot with it, protect yourself with it, hunt with it. Luckily we haven’t had to use it in self-defense, but it’s a comfort knowing that it’s there to protect my children and my family.”

Her husband ordered parts and built one himself. They’ve since acquired a few more.


This year, after the birth of her second child, Hill decided to start working on becoming a competitive shooter, documenting her journey on Instagram.

“It gave me a sense of myself again: I’m going to make this goal, I’m going to accomplish something,” Hill said.

For Hill, life with an AR-15 can best be described in one word: freedom. She means both personal freedom and a symbolic freedom that connects her to the gun’s use by the U.S. military.

“What makes us a strong nation is our freedom, and the AR-15 represents that freedom,” Hill said.


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I think Panther is almost spent.


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Panther wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 12:21pm:
The AR-15 Is Comfort



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Megan Hill, 26, target shoots this month with an AR-15 at the Nephi City Shooting Range
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Megan Hill’s relationship with guns goes back as far as she can remember; her parents and grandfather kept firearms in their Southern California homes, and an early boyfriend took her hunting and target shooting. But it wasn’t until she married, moved to Utah and was preparing to have children that she decided to get her own.


She and her husband researched which gun would meet their needs: something safe, reliable and versatile.

“We looked at the AR-15, and it was all in one package,” Hill, 26, recalled. “You can target-shoot with it, protect yourself with it, hunt with it. Luckily we haven’t had to use it in self-defense, but it’s a comfort knowing that it’s there to protect my children and my family.”

Her husband ordered parts and built one himself. They’ve since acquired a few more.


This year, after the birth of her second child, Hill decided to start working on becoming a competitive shooter, documenting her journey on Instagram.

“It gave me a sense of myself again: I’m going to make this goal, I’m going to accomplish something,” Hill said.

For Hill, life with an AR-15 can best be described in one word: freedom. She means both personal freedom and a symbolic freedom that connects her to the gun’s use by the U.S. military.

“What makes us a strong nation is our freedom, and the AR-15 represents that freedom,” Hill said.


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That is how I imagine you look when you post about Trump and the allegations of child rape you regularly bring up!
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check out the "father" who supposedly lost his kid at Sandy Hook... who he and his mrs went on a world tour about banning guns...

but check out the same guy who was caught in pictures and film footage as one of he actors swat team members on the day.. .

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President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27th, 2018 at 9:31pm:
check out the "father" who supposedly lost his kid at Sandy Hook... who he and his mrs went on a world tour about banning guns...

but check out the same guy who was caught in pictures and film footage as one of he actors swat team members on the day.. .



You're a smacking idiot Mech.

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coincidence?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 12:30pm:



That is how I imagine you look when you post about Trump and the allegations of child rape you regularly bring up!


How often do you imagine me masturbating?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 12:30pm:



That is how I imagine you look when you post about Trump and the allegations of child rape you regularly bring up!


How often do you imagine me masturbating?

I'm curious.

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As disgusting as it is, every time you bring up your favorite allegation. Yep, gweg is typing one handed again!
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Mortdooley wrote on Nov 29th, 2018 at 1:41am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28th, 2018 at 9:04pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 9:54pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 26th, 2018 at 12:30pm:



That is how I imagine you look when you post about Trump and the allegations of child rape you regularly bring up!


How often do you imagine me masturbating?

I'm curious.

Kiss



As disgusting as it is, every time you bring up your favorite allegation. Yep, gweg is typing one handed again!


I'm flattered.

You're thinking of me now.


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One handed gweg strikes again! Someone should throw a bucket of cold water on you when you start that!
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The Donald seems to be glaring at Gweggy......

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The modern sporting rifle, based on the AR-15 platform, is widely misunderstood. Why?

Confusion exists because while these rifles may cosmetically look like military rifles, they do not function the same way. Also, groups wanting to ban these rifles have for years purposely or through ignorance spread misinformation about them to aid their cause.

The National Shooting Sports Foundation asks you to be an informed gun owner and to use the following facts to correct misconceptions about these rifles. Remember, that if AR-15-style modern sporting rifles are banned, your favorite traditional-looking hunting or target shooting semi-automatic firearm could be banned, too.

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   ◆ AR-15-platform rifles are among the most popular firearms being sold. They are today’s modern sporting rifle.
   
   ◆ The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
   
   ◆ AR-15-style rifles are NOT “assault weapons” or “assault rifles.” An assault rifle is fully automatic — a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934.
   
   ◆ If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an “assault weapon,” he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. “Assault weapon” is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s.
   
   ◆ AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger.
   
   ◆ Versions of modern sporting rifles are legal to own in all 50 states, provided the purchaser passes the mandatory FBI background check required for all retail firearm purchasers.
   
   ◆ Since the 19th century, civilian sporting rifles have evolved from their military predecessors. The modern sporting rifle simply follows that tradition.
   
   ◆ These rifles’ accuracy, reliability, ruggedness and versatility serve target shooters and hunters well. They are true all-weather firearms.
   
   ◆ Chamberings include .22, .223 (5.56 x 45mm), 6.8 SPC, .308, .450 Bushmaster and about a dozen others. Upper receivers for pistol calibers such as 9 mm, .40, and .45 are available. There are even .410 shotgun versions.
   
   ◆ These rifles are used for many different types of hunting, from varmint to big game. And they’re used for target shooting in the national matches.
   
   ◆ AR-15-style rifles are no more powerful than other hunting rifles of the same caliber and in most cases are chambered in calibers less powerful than common big-game hunting cartridges like the 30-06 Springfield and .300 Win. Mag.
   
   ◆ The AR-15 platform is modular. Owners like being able to affix different “uppers” (the barrel and chamber) to the “lower” (the grip, stock).

   
 
And, they are a lot of fun to shoot!




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Reply #51 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 11:32am
 
The Australian Federal Government paid for my tuition to learn how to use various firearms. The course included how to kill people. Am I a ticking time bomb?
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Reply #53 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 12:01pm
 
In America There Are Over
350,000,000 (350+ Million) Firearms in Civilian Hands.


QUESTION:


Who owns them? 

Where are they located?



ANSWER:


Nobody Knows....That's Right, in America NOBODY KNOWS!
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FACT: In America it is absolutely Illegal for the Federal Government to have, keep, & or maintain a Firearm Database.........period


And a majority of the American People want to keep it that way.
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Because they simply don't believe it's the Government's business to know
what they do or don't own.............period.






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More than 300 mass shootings in the US so far this year.   Angry

meanwhile ...

Sing-a-long time.   Wink

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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
More than 300 mass shootings in the US so far this year.   Angry

meanwhile ...

Sing-a-long time.   Wink



By this time next year, according to your source's methods of defining what is or what is not a 'mass shooting', there will probably be 300-500 more according to their methodology...........Sadly people will die....that's a fact of life.......but sometimes Freedom & Liberty comes at a steep price......Americans have always known & understood this...........but, if Americans wish to change their Law of the Land, the US Constitution, the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, the American Founding Fathers gave them a precise way of doing that.

Amending the US Constitution has been attempted over 11,000 times, & they have been successful in amending it 27 times since 1791........

This is the procedure the American People must follow in order to change/amend their sacred document....the Law of the Land:



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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.



P.S........... the American People don't give a rats ass what the Rest of the Entire World thinks about what goes on in 'Their Country'.......& will never, ever bow to the World demand's that the American People change Their Law because it might upset all 7,000,000,000+ of the World's Other Inhabitants..... 
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Reply #56 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 1:33pm
 
There's that small dick in your posted image as referred to in the song!  Wink

The number of mass shootings around the country in 2018 has risen above 300 so far.

According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 314 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of November 19.

A shooting injuring four people, including a suspect, at a Chicago hospital and a Monday evening shooting in Denver, injuring at least 4 and killing 1, marked the 315th and 316th mass shootings so far this year, respectively.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-oc...

In 2017, the U.S. saw a total of 346 mass shootings.

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https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jl901ZAtyFSXvVsoRAxkMP_V2S-nM7-Z&ll=37...

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Reply #57 - Nov 30th, 2018 at 2:12pm
 
Mother Jones says there were 108 Mass shootings from 1982 thru 2012, plus another 45  from 2013 to 2018.

The is no standard definition on what constitutes a "Mass Shooting", & there are at least 10 different variants of methodology used to determine what constitutes a 'mass shooting'.

Depending what your political agenda is, will determine what methodology is used......

I believe Mother Jones uses the same methodology as does the FBI & the Department of Justice.....


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......Since we began, our interactive map below and
the downloadable database comprising it
have been expanded with 45 additional cases from 2013-2018. Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.........
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Four or more victims isn't enough for you?  Shocked
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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:46pm:
Four or more victims isn't enough for you?  Shocked



Attacks in Melbourne streets not enough for you? How many more would you like?
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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 3:46pm:
Four or more victims isn't enough for you?  Shocked


One death is too many, but in a nation of over 325 million, death is bound to happen.....so if it's a kid drowning in a pool every day, or someone getting shot in the face every day.....death is death.....dead is dead.

It seems your possible political anti-gun, Anti-Second Amendment agenda for shock value is becoming evident......300 mass shootings in less than 12 months from your sources, whereas the FBI, the DOJ per Mother Jones stipulates to only 153 mass shootings in over 35 years.

A stark difference......no?
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Stark number of gun deaths, yes.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
Stark number of gun deaths, yes.


SH!T happens.........people die.........Que será, será.........Just because some people die, it's not a valid reason for all law abiding Americans to surrender some of their essential Freedoms & Liberties.


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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
There's that small dick in your posted image as referred to in the song!  Wink

The number of mass shootings around the country in 2018 has risen above 300 so far.

According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 314 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of November 19.

A shooting injuring four people, including a suspect, at a Chicago hospital and a Monday evening shooting in Denver, injuring at least 4 and killing 1, marked the 315th and 316th mass shootings so far this year, respectively.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-oc...

In 2017, the U.S. saw a total of 346 mass shootings.

https://i.imgur.com/5EvsqCY.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jl901ZAtyFSXvVsoRAxkMP_V2S-nM7-Z&ll=37...

http://i.imgur.com/ud3Kduu.png




If you're going to use the gunviolence.org definition for a mass shooting then the Monash university shooting is a mass shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting


How many mass shootings have we had since our 1996 gun laws if we use your definition for mass shootings, is it over a dozen or do you use different definitions for mass shootings with Australia and the USA ?
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Panther wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 5:44pm:
Stark number of gun deaths, yes.


SH!T happens.........people die.........Que será, será.........Just because some people die, it's not a valid reason for all law abiding Americans to surrender some of their essential Freedoms & Liberties.




If that's what the law says, then perhaps we can change the law? 
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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 7:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 30th, 2018 at 1:33pm:
There's that small dick in your posted image as referred to in the song!  Wink

The number of mass shootings around the country in 2018 has risen above 300 so far.

According to data from the Gun Violence Archive, a total of 314 mass shooting incidents have occurred as of November 19.

A shooting injuring four people, including a suspect, at a Chicago hospital and a Monday evening shooting in Denver, injuring at least 4 and killing 1, marked the 315th and 316th mass shootings so far this year, respectively.

https://www.abc15.com/news/data/mass-shootings-in-the-us-when-where-they-have-oc...

In 2017, the U.S. saw a total of 346 mass shootings.

https://i.imgur.com/5EvsqCY.jpg

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1jl901ZAtyFSXvVsoRAxkMP_V2S-nM7-Z&ll=37...

http://i.imgur.com/ud3Kduu.png




If you're going to use the gunviolence.org definition for a mass shooting then the Monash university shooting is a mass shooting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting


How many mass shootings have we had since our 1996 gun laws if we use your definition for mass shootings, is it over a dozen or do you use different definitions for mass shootings with Australia and the USA ?



Yep, I would call the Monash shooting a mass shooting.
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