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Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:04pm
 
Rooftop solar photovoltaic installations will shortly hit 2m.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebat...

Huh ,..... really: I don't see bugger all of them in Perth!
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Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11pm
 
They must be out there -

"Electricity provider Synergy was forced to take one of its newest power stations offline for repairs because of constant interruptions caused by soaring levels of green energy.

Synergy chief executive Jason Waters yesterday revealed the influx of solar panels on the south-west grid had disrupted operations at the utility’s 240MW gas-fired Cockburn power plant.

Mr Waters said the plant, commissioned in 2003, had suffered an extended outage this year after problems caused by constant “starts and stops” were identified."

https://thewest.com.au/business/renewable-energy/solar-uptake-shuts-down-synergy...
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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:23pm
 
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Mr Waters said the plant, commissioned in 2003, had suffered an extended outage this year after problems caused by constant “starts and stops” were identified."


Which of course won't be an issue with the increased use of batteries.

The giant battery in SA has made the grid far more stable than when it was coal powered

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-05/yes-sa-battery-is-a-massive-battery-but-i...
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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:32pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:23pm:
The giant battery in SA has made the grid far more stable than when it was coal powered



So how many minutes of power for the 767,000 households in SA does that work out to be?

Using the 30,000 households reported for a "little over an hour". 3 minutes?

Of course every one will be home because that's not offices and industry.
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Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:07pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:32pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:23pm:
The giant battery in SA has made the grid far more stable than when it was coal powered



So how many minutes of power for the 767,000 households in SA does that work out to be?

Using the 30,000 households reported for a "little over an hour". 3 minutes?

Of course every one will be home because that's not offices and industry.


We all know that wasn't it's intended purpose Lee,  it's intended purpose that you're well aware of has been a raging success.
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Reply #5 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:15pm
 
Its time wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:07pm:
We all know that wasn't it's intended purpose Lee,  it's intended purpose they you're well aware of has been a raging success.


"The Government will also have the right to tap the battery's full output to prevent load shedding blackouts if supply runs low this summer."

So its intended purpose is to provide power for 30,000 homes for a little over an hour. That's what the story says.

Who has the task of working out which 30,000 households?
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Reply #6 - Nov 22nd, 2018 at 9:31pm
 
will he pay for my batteries as well?.....every thingamy I own uses batteries...
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Reply #7 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 6:10am
 
lee wrote on Nov 22nd, 2018 at 8:11pm:
They must be out there -

"Electricity provider Synergy was forced to take one of its newest power stations offline for repairs because of constant interruptions caused by soaring levels of green energy.

Synergy chief executive Jason Waters yesterday revealed the influx of solar panels on the south-west grid had disrupted operations at the utility’s 240MW gas-fired Cockburn power plant.

Mr Waters said the plant, commissioned in 2003, had suffered an extended outage this year after problems caused by constant “starts and stops” were identified."

https://thewest.com.au/business/renewable-energy/solar-uptake-shuts-down-synergy...


If its true (which i doubt) they can just turn off the stupid smart meters that should fix it. The only way solar can interfere with the coal powered stations is because they are trying to steal too much from elsewhere instead of just generating.

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Reply #8 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 9:33am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 6:10am:
If its true (which i doubt) they can just turn off the stupid smart meters that should fix it.



Why would you doubt it?

Because generators are designed to run up and down over a large demand curve?
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Reply #9 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am
 
Avoiding scrutiny is becoming a worrying trait of this Government....The public deserve to know what is being proposed and not be kept in the dark by snake oil salesman in the Coalition....It is no wonder the Coalition are avoiding a Federal Corruption Commission which would scrutinise their dirty dealings and vested interests that dictate the Coalitions energy (lack of) policy....This rabble must go!!!

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The Australian Energy Council (AEC) has given Treasury a blast for a truncated consultation process for legislation giving effect to controversial price regulation measures and new divestiture powers which power companies say could be constitutionally invalid.

The AEC is unhappy about at an “unusual” government request that draft legislation be kept confidential, and contends that “further indicates a desire to avoid scrutiny on an important legislative change”


What a complete cluster f@#k this Government is!!!

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Reply #10 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:14am
 
Can't post in feedback,  FD can you fix slow loading page preferably before Vic State election result tommorow night

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Reply #11 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 11:34am
 
The Polly Waffle VIRUS strikes again - with more Fake News.

My Gosh don't they have some windjamming loonies in West Australia ?


Stupid Greeny led by the snout Shorty's ridiculous energy disaster is already collapsing around his flapping ears.  What a drongo!!!

ScoMo the Shorty killer is already wiping the floor with him.

Labor's loony Energy "policy" is insanity on steroids.



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Loony Labor's blackout energy policy




Morrison dashes business hopes on energy
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Labor's pledge to put the coalition's dumped energy policy on the table for bipartisan support has pleased business groups craving investment certainty.

Scott Morrison has dashed the hopes of Australian businesses crying out for bipartisan support on energy policy.

Business leaders were briefly optimistic about ending the decade-long climate wars in Australia when Labor announced would revive the coalition's dumped National Energy Guarantee.

The Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry and the Business Council of Australia are both eager for a solution to the nation's energy woes.

"We have consistently called on all sides of the political divide to support the NEG to end the policy paralysis that has stalled much needed investment," BCA chief Jennifer Westacott said.

However, the prime minister is refusing to back Labor's plan.

When asked why he would not support the NEG, given he had consistently argued for months it would lower power prices, Mr Morrison deflected to the opposition's plans for household batteries.

He likened the idea to Kevin Rudd's disastrous insulation scheme.

"What happened last time we let the Labor Party come and put something in your house," Mr Morrison told Nine Network.

"I mean, roofs burnt down for goodness sake. They've learnt nothing, absolutely nothing."

The prime minister said the NEG would lower power prices with a carbon emission reduction target of 26 per cent - not the 45 per cent target proposed by Labor.

"A 45 per cent target is reckless, it will shut down industries all around the country," Mr Morrison said.


Under Labor's plan, subsidies of up to $2000 would be given to 100,000 households to install batteries to link their solar panels, which cost about $10,000 each.

Mr Morrison pointed out high-end Tesla batteries cost more than $20,000.

"I mean, what families in Australia on the incomes they're talking about have a lazy $20,000 hanging around to go and put these things in?"


Labor would also invest $15 billion in energy transmission and generation if it wins the next federal election.

Meanwhile, the coalition has angered the business community with its plans to force energy retailers to sell off assets and restructure their companies if it is deemed in the public interest.

The Business Council of Australia has warned the "ad hoc and extreme" divestiture powers would exacerbate sovereign risk, interfere with market outcomes and discourage investment.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann has dismissed their warnings.

"Obviously there's always a level of vested interest in the context of these sorts of debates," he told Sky News.

"This is not something we would want to pursue - it is a matter of last resort - but when it is all said and done, we are on the side of consumers and business when it comes to electricity prices."

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/morrison-dashes-business-hopes-on-energy
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Reply #12 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am:
The AEC is unhappy about at an “unusual” government request that draft legislation be kept confidential, and contends that “further indicates a desire to avoid scrutiny on an important legislative change”



Perhaps you can show where it is "unusual"? Just how "unusual"? Obviously it has been done before, otherwise it would be "unprecedented". Wink

"The Australian Energy Council (AEC) has given Treasury a blast for a truncated consultation process for legislation giving effect to controversial price regulation measures and new divestiture powers which power companies say could be constitutionally invalid.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebat...

Oh look confusing the bureaucracy with the Parliament. How cute.

And that attendant "could".
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Reply #13 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
Labor’s energy policy is the Reintroduction of the Carbon Tax.

Will use Taxpayer subsidies to implement & Borrowing Billions from overseas
A Double Tax Hit for Aussie Battlers in our country with the most resources on the planet & the Highest Power Bills
Fairdinkum Go Figure !!

The transition to a 3rd gen Energy model requires a plan, and for that plan to be implemented in a coherent disciplined way. Labor has no plan, no coherence and no discipline. Just an idea about subsidised batteries paid for by a carbon tax that will push up living costs.

Labor's record on Climate Change policy:
Green Loans scheme, dumped https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-07-08/government-dumps-green-loans-after-scathing-reports/897274 …
Carbon Tax, dumped.
Cash for Clunkers, dumped.
Pink Batts, deaths and dumped.
What could possibly go wrong?

And Labor along with the weirdo Greens want to bring the Carbon Tax back!

Climate Change Science is a vehicle for carbon tax credits & various other government-backed sanctions to prevent small/med businesses from challenging multi-national companies.

It’s meant to deindustrialize the west in favor of cheap labor where there is little environmental.
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Reply #14 - Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:15pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 12:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23rd, 2018 at 10:03am:
The AEC is unhappy about at an “unusual” government request that draft legislation be kept confidential, and contends that “further indicates a desire to avoid scrutiny on an important legislative change”



Perhaps you can show where it is "unusual"? Just how "unusual"? Obviously it has been done before, otherwise it would be "unprecedented". Wink

"The Australian Energy Council (AEC) has given Treasury a blast for a truncated consultation process for legislation giving effect to controversial price regulation measures and new divestiture powers which power companies say could be constitutionally invalid.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebat...

Oh look confusing the bureaucracy with the Parliament. How cute.

And that attendant "could".


I didn't write the article dickhead....Do your own research!!!

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/22/labor-energy-policy-rebat...
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