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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Immigration cut within weeks Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:27pm Finally the politicians are catching on to the discontent within the Australian population.
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Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:33pm

Almost half of Australians want Muslim immigration cut, given that many are undecided and some are happy with present levels the ayes have it.
Pyne has said any cuts will not be on a discriminatory basis,
what happened to national security being a #1 priority.
If he replaced the word "discriminatory" to national security then he would be more true to his words.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 13879 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Immigration cut within weeks Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:51pm Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:33pm: Almost half of Australians want Muslim immigration cut, given that many are undecided and some are happy with present levels the ayes have it. If you subtract extremists and dupes the figure is probably less than 20%.
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Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:52pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:33pm:

Almost half of Australians want Muslim immigration cut, given that many are undecided and some are happy with present levels the ayes have it.

"many"?

Only about 5% seem to be undecided.

14% want an increase, and 35% are happy with the current levels.

Moreover, Australians overestimate the size of the Muslim population in Australia.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Immigration cut within weeks Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:03pm Rehashing figures is not cutting it any more, immigration is to be cut due to overwhelming demand, the politicians can't avoid it any longer.
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Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:09pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

Rehashing figures is not cutting it any more, immigration is to be cut due to overwhelming demand, the politicians can't avoid it any longer.

"overwhelming demand" ?

23% want to see a rise, and 29% are happy with the status quo.

Only about 3% are undecided on total immigration numbers.

And, as I said before, Australians overestimate the current size of the Muslim population in Australia.

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Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:09pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

Rehashing figures is not cutting it any more, immigration is to be cut due to overwhelming demand, the politicians can't avoid it any longer.

"overwhelming demand" ?

23% want to see a rise, and 29% are happy with the status quo.

Only about 3% are undecided on total immigration numbers.

And, as I said before, Australians overestimate the current size of the Muslim population in Australia.

Your figures are just the same old tiresome rehash of an apologist. Changes are imminent.
How do you know Australians are overestimating, perhaps its what they see with their own eyeballs, nobody actually knows how many Muslims are here BTW.

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Reply #7 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:28pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:09pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

Rehashing figures is not cutting it any more, immigration is to be cut due to overwhelming demand, the politicians can't avoid it any longer.

"overwhelming demand" ?

23% want to see a rise, and 29% are happy with the status quo.

Only about 3% are undecided on total immigration numbers.

And, as I said before, Australians overestimate the current size of the Muslim population in Australia.

Your figures are just the same old tiresome rehash of an apologist. Changes are imminent.
How do you know Australians are overestimating, perhaps its what they see with their own eyeballs, nobody actually knows how many Muslims are here BTW.

Apologist? Apologist for what? That makes no sense at all.

First of all, I wouldn't object to an indiscriminate cut to immigration numbers.

And secondly, the latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll says that Australians are overestimating the current Muslim population.

The 2016 census put the figure at 2.6% (so maybe 3% now).

Australians estimate it to be as high as 17%.

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Reply #8 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:28pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:09pm:

Johnnie wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:03pm:

Rehashing figures is not cutting it any more, immigration is to be cut due to overwhelming demand, the politicians can't avoid it any longer.

"overwhelming demand" ?

23% want to see a rise, and 29% are happy with the status quo.

Only about 3% are undecided on total immigration numbers.

And, as I said before, Australians overestimate the current size of the Muslim population in Australia.

Your figures are just the same old tiresome rehash of an apologist. Changes are imminent.
How do you know Australians are overestimating, perhaps its what they see with their own eyeballs, nobody actually knows how many Muslims are here BTW.

Apologist? Apologist for what? That makes no sense at all.

First of all, I wouldn't object to an indiscriminate cut to immigration numbers.

And secondly, the latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll says that Australians are overestimating the current Muslim population.

The 2016 census put the figure at 2.6% (so maybe 3% now).

Australians estimate it to be as high as 17%.

That is if every Muslim decides to declare they are Muslim, that would be disadvantageous to their cause. What would Allah say to that!

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Reply #9 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:39pm

To give Gregg the benefit of a doubt that he probably doesn't deserve, he might not be trying to obfuscate, he may have just missed the last part of the first paragraph.

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Australian voters are split on whether to cut the number of migrants coming from Muslim countries, as the Morrison government considers an overhaul of immigration and population rules within weeks.

A special Fairfax-Ipsos survey finds only 14 per cent of voters support an increase in the number of immigrants from Muslim countries while 35 per cent believe the intake should stay the same.

But another 46 per cent believe the intake should be reduced a lot or a little - a position backed by a clear majority of Coalition voters and one third of Labor voters.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-australians-split-on-muslim-migration-ahead-of-new-population-policy-20181118-p50gt0.html

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Re: Immigration cut within weeks
Reply #10 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:46pm

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

To give Gregg the benefit of a doubt that he probably doesn't deserve, he might not be trying to obfuscate, he may have just missed the last part of the first paragraph.

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Australian voters are split on whether to cut the number of migrants coming from Muslim countries, as the Morrison government considers an overhaul of immigration and population rules within weeks.

A special Fairfax-Ipsos survey finds only 14 per cent of voters support an increase in the number of immigrants from Muslim countries while 35 per cent believe the intake should stay the same.

But another 46 per cent believe the intake should be reduced a lot or a little - a position backed by a clear majority of Coalition voters and one third of Labor voters.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-australians-split-on-muslim-migration-ahead-of-new-population-policy-20181118-p50gt0.html

Greg is blind in one eye and he can't see out the other.

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Reply #11 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:51pm

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

To give Gregg the benefit of a doubt that he probably doesn't deserve, he might not be trying to obfuscate, he may have just missed the last part of the first paragraph.

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Australian voters are split on whether to cut the number of migrants coming from Muslim countries, as the Morrison government considers an overhaul of immigration and population rules within weeks.

A special Fairfax-Ipsos survey finds only 14 per cent of voters support an increase in the number of immigrants from Muslim countries while 35 per cent believe the intake should stay the same.

But another 46 per cent believe the intake should be reduced a lot or a little - a position backed by a clear majority of Coalition voters and one third of Labor voters.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-australians-split-on-muslim-migration-ahead-of-new-population-policy-20181118-p50gt0.html

I didn't need to include it.

I said:

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Only about 5% seem to be undecided.

14% want an increase, and 35% are happy with the current levels.

5 + 14 + 35 = 54.

Anyone with a basic understanding of maths would know that that leaves 46% who want immigration numbers reduced.

I hasten to add that 54 is more than 46.

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Secret Wars Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3928 Gender:	Re: Immigration cut within weeks Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:02pm Heheheh, you just can't help yourself can you. Just under half, 46% of those surveyed believe the immigration intake from Muslim countries, (note I am not conflating with immigration numbers ), should be reduced. 46%. And I spoke too soon, you didn't deserve the benefit of a doubt.
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Reply #13 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:05pm

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 2:02pm:

Heheheh, you just can't help yourself can you.

Just under half, 46% of those surveyed believe the immigration intake from Muslim countries, (note I am not conflating with immigration numbers Roll Eyes

), should be reduced.

46%.

And I spoke too soon, you didn't deserve the benefit of a doubt. Wink

That's right - 46%.

I don't remember saying anything to the contrary.

54 is still more than 46, though. Wouldn't you agree?

(And again, I'm not against an indiscriminate cut to immigration numbers.)

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Reply #14 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 3:41pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:51pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

To give Gregg the benefit of a doubt that he probably doesn't deserve, he might not be trying to obfuscate, he may have just missed the last part of the first paragraph.

Quote:

Australian voters are split on whether to cut the number of migrants coming from Muslim countries, as the Morrison government considers an overhaul of immigration and population rules within weeks.

A special Fairfax-Ipsos survey finds only 14 per cent of voters support an increase in the number of immigrants from Muslim countries while 35 per cent believe the intake should stay the same.

But another 46 per cent believe the intake should be reduced a lot or a little - a position backed by a clear majority of Coalition voters and one third of Labor voters.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/fairfax-ipsos-poll-australians-split-on-muslim-migration-ahead-of-new-population-policy-20181118-p50gt0.html

I didn't need to include it.

I said:

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Only about 5% seem to be undecided.

14% want an increase, and 35% are happy with the current levels.

5 + 14 + 35 = 54.

Anyone with a basic understanding of maths would know that that leaves 46% who want immigration numbers reduced.

I hasten to add that 54 is more than 46.

Why would you add that 5.

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