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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #45 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:01pm  
indiscretions by politicians  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


seriously is that corruption on a grand scale..worthy of an inquisition like a corruption watch dog..at enormous cost......

whatever happened to INTEGRITY.....when someone crosses the line why are they not SACKED ON THE SPOT?.... wouldnt that be the correct thing to do?..
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Reply #46 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 12:26pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:43am:
WTF would take the advice of a Government who is opposed to a Federal corruption body and any added scrutiny....Geez some people are thick???



I don't know. Who would phil?
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Reply #47 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:51pm  
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:29am:
Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



so what is your idea of CORRUPTION IN GOVT phil?>..

I will be honest  I have no idea what this watchdog will be looking at.

so you lefties seem hysterical about having one..

fine  good for you.... just say what you are expecting them to be FINDING....

thus far when it come to ICAC....all I have seen is two ex labor ministers in JAIL for CORRUPTION...the rest may have lost a job or position over what I dont know...was it corrupt though....the list of what is considered corruption   is very LONG.....

if they catch many pollies with those charges    then I for one will give up on this countries ability to pick good people to run it..



Maybe you should educate yourself then and stop using your ignorance to argue against a Federal Anti-Corruption Commission....What is your argument against a Federal  Corruption Commission as you have failed to articulate what the problem is with keeping the bastards honest....Why are you right wing supporters so hysterical about having a Federal Anti-Corruption Commission you claim will expose Labor's corruption....What is your argument against it???

Educate yourselves you dolts....Is it any wonder the Coalition are dodging this with everything they can muster....What argument is there against a Federal Anti-Corruption Commission....That it will catch Labor politicians....Bullshit???

Coalition corruption thrives under Turnbull: No shame whatsoever

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/coalition-corruption-...

Overwhelming majority of Australians believe federal politicians are corrupt

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/21/overwhelming-majority-of-...

Budget’s $45m slush fund for MPs is an unethical use of public money

https://theconversation.com/budgets-45m-slush-fund-for-mps-is-an-unethical-use-o...

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Reply #48 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:01pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:51pm:
What argument is there against a Federal Anti-Corruption Commission.


Re-inventing the wheel? Another bloated bureaucracy. that may not achieve anything, at great cost to the taxpayer.

lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:35am:
the Commonwealth has taken a multi-agency approach to combating corruption within or affecting the public sector.


Good left-wing links though. Wink

BTW - I do support a Corruption Commission. They are just two different questions.
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Reply #49 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:10pm  
lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:01pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 1:51pm:
What argument is there against a Federal Anti-Corruption Commission.


Re-inventing the wheel? Another bloated bureaucracy. that may not achieve anything, at great cost to the taxpayer.

lee wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:35am:
the Commonwealth has taken a multi-agency approach to combating corruption within or affecting the public sector.


Good left-wing links though. Wink

BTW - I do support a Corruption Commission. They are just two different questions.


The current system is not working as shown in the links I provided....Ignoring the problem does not make it go away....If you support a Federal Corruption Commission then why are you agitating against one???

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Reply #50 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:53pm  
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 2:10pm:
..If you support a Federal Corruption Commission then why are you agitating against one???



Where have I agitated against one?

You asked what argument. I gave you a couple.

The independent link. "corporate taxes were avoided on a massive scale" That of course suggests it also didn't occur under Labor. Not even a cursory look. Wink

The Guardian - "New survey shows 85% believe most or all MPs corrupt, and two-thirds support the creation of a federal anti-corruption body"

So now perceptions are the same a fact. Wink

The Conversation - "The 2015-16 Commonwealth budget’s “Stronger Communities” slush fund for every lower house MP raises serious questions. The allocation of $150,000 a year to every MP’s electorate risks seducing and trapping MPs into unethical behaviour that conflicts with new benchmarks for parliamentary codes of conduct."

You do understand every lower house MP includes Labor? If it is available to all - is it corruption? Or only corruption of the Coalition? Wink

"Because Tony Abbott’s Coalition government has more MPs – they occupy 90 of the 150 seats in the House of Representatives – more of the money will go to government-held electorates. "

If Labor were in Government more sitting Labor sitting members would mean they would get more. Or do you think they would somehow repeal the legislation before an election?
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Reply #51 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:10pm  
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:29am:
Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



so what is your idea of CORRUPTION IN GOVT phil?>..

I will be honest  I have no idea what this watchdog will be looking at.

so you lefties seem hysterical about having one..

Why are you rightards not keen on cracking down on corruption? Afraid of seeing how many Coalition MPs would end up in prison? Do you think Barnaby Joyce's political career would survive an investigation into his dealings with water allocations?

cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
fine  good for you.... just say what you are expecting them to be FINDING....

thus far when it come to ICAC....all I have seen is two ex labor ministers in JAIL for CORRUPTION...the rest may have lost a job or position over what I dont know...was it corrupt though....the list of what is considered corruption   is very LONG.....

if they catch many pollies with those charges    then I for one will give up on this countries ability to pick good people to run it..

And you think Liberals aren't corrupt? How many NSW Liberals have fronted ICAC in the last five years? Why isn't O'Farrell Premier anymore?

And don't give me crap about ICAC being independent. The NSW Liberal government have been threatening ICAC's independence by weakening it. The NSW Government - a Liberal government - and the Federal Government - a Liberal government - control the agencies that can bring actions against individuals. If ICAC had been allowed to act with impunity, Sinodinos would have been jailed. He was involved with Sydney Water and he had a case to answer.
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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #52 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:27pm  
Bam wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:10pm:
How many NSW Liberals have fronted ICAC in the last five years?


Gone from federal to state politics in one foul swoop. So does that mean that Vic Labor should be investigated?  What was it 21 MPs or something using a slush fund?

"21 Labor MPs misused taxpayer funds for 2014 election campaign"

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/21-labor-mps-misused-taxpayer-funds-...

A Fairfax publication. It must be true.
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Reply #53 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:51pm  
Bam wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:10pm:
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:29am:
Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



so what is your idea of CORRUPTION IN GOVT phil?>..

I will be honest  I have no idea what this watchdog will be looking at.

so you lefties seem hysterical about having one..

Why are you rightards not keen on cracking down on corruption? Afraid of seeing how many Coalition MPs would end up in prison? Do you think Barnaby Joyce's political career would survive an investigation into his dealings with water allocations?

cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
fine  good for you.... just say what you are expecting them to be FINDING....

thus far when it come to ICAC....all I have seen is two ex labor ministers in JAIL for CORRUPTION...the rest may have lost a job or position over what I dont know...was it corrupt though....the list of what is considered corruption   is very LONG.....

if they catch many pollies with those charges    then I for one will give up on this countries ability to pick good people to run it..

And you think Liberals aren't corrupt? How many NSW Liberals have fronted ICAC in the last five years? Why isn't O'Farrell Premier anymore?

And don't give me crap about ICAC being independent. The NSW Liberal government have been threatening ICAC's independence by weakening it. The NSW Government - a Liberal government - and the Federal Government - a Liberal government - control the agencies that can bring actions against individuals. If ICAC had been allowed to act with impunity, Sinodinos would have been jailed. He was involved with Sydney Water and he had a case to answer.



gawd bam   you do beat a strange druim   O.,Farrell was a mug he should never have stepped down it was a GIFT a birthday gift   and he lied about it big deal.. now if you want to talk detail of real CORRUPTION  how about WE TALK JACKSON   who did deals with CRIMINALS  and gave them a lower sentence  and he ended up in  JAIL AS WELL....then there is OBEID and McDonald...still in JAIL FOR YES THATS RIGHT REAL CORRUPTION>>.

if accepting a bottle of wine is corruption by your standards bam   then boy are you in for a few surprises....

we obviously have differing opinion on what is CORRUPTION 

I am still waiting for an explanation   of what we can expect.......then to be looking for????>.


tell me this bam why didnt Labor sort all this out when they had POWER FOR ^ LONG YEARS?????....

why did they miss that chance to get the libs... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

just a plain old every day answer will do..
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Reply #54 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:54pm  
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:51pm:
why did they miss that chance to get the libs.



They had more important things to do?
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Reply #55 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:40pm  
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:51pm:
Bam wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 4:10pm:
cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:29am:
Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



so what is your idea of CORRUPTION IN GOVT phil?>..

I will be honest  I have no idea what this watchdog will be looking at.

so you lefties seem hysterical about having one..

Why are you rightards not keen on cracking down on corruption? Afraid of seeing how many Coalition MPs would end up in prison? Do you think Barnaby Joyce's political career would survive an investigation into his dealings with water allocations?

cods wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 11:58am:
fine  good for you.... just say what you are expecting them to be FINDING....

thus far when it come to ICAC....all I have seen is two ex labor ministers in JAIL for CORRUPTION...the rest may have lost a job or position over what I dont know...was it corrupt though....the list of what is considered corruption   is very LONG.....

if they catch many pollies with those charges    then I for one will give up on this countries ability to pick good people to run it..

And you think Liberals aren't corrupt? How many NSW Liberals have fronted ICAC in the last five years? Why isn't O'Farrell Premier anymore?

And don't give me crap about ICAC being independent. The NSW Liberal government have been threatening ICAC's independence by weakening it. The NSW Government - a Liberal government - and the Federal Government - a Liberal government - control the agencies that can bring actions against individuals. If ICAC had been allowed to act with impunity, Sinodinos would have been jailed. He was involved with Sydney Water and he had a case to answer.



gawd bam   you do beat a strange druim   O.,Farrell was a mug he should never have stepped down it was a GIFT a birthday gift   and he lied about it big deal.. now if you want to talk detail of real CORRUPTION  how about WE TALK JACKSON   who did deals with CRIMINALS  and gave them a lower sentence  and he ended up in  JAIL AS WELL....then there is OBEID and McDonald...still in JAIL FOR YES THATS RIGHT REAL CORRUPTION>>.

if accepting a bottle of wine is corruption by your standards bam   then boy are you in for a few surprises....

we obviously have differing opinion on what is CORRUPTION 

I am still waiting for an explanation   of what we can expect.......then to be looking for????>.


tell me this bam why didnt Labor sort all this out when they had POWER FOR ^ LONG YEARS?????....

why did they miss that chance to get the libs... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

just a plain old every day answer will do..

It's hard wading through that rubbish you post when your punctuation skills are nonexistent. If you actually cared about what you wrote, you would make it more readable.

A Federal anti-corruption commission wasn't on the political agenda before 2014. Why didn't the Coalition pass one during the 11 dreadful years of the Howard government? Same reason.
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Reply #56 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:00pm  
With the multiple threads on coalition corruption on this forum, it will take a few elections for fed ICAC to clear all of it.
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Reply #57 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:09pm  
stunspore wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 6:00pm:
With the multiple threads on coalition corruption on this forum, it will take a few elections for fed ICAC to clear all of it.



Won't that depend on the enabling legislation? Wink
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Reply #58 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 7:11pm  
Bam wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:40pm:
A Federal anti-corruption commission wasn't on the political agenda before 2014.


No corruption before then? A lack of will?

Bam wrote on Nov 21st, 2018 at 5:40pm:
Why didn't the Coalition pass one during the 11 dreadful years of the Howard government?


If the Howard Government was so corrupt that negates your first comment. I guess it was a lack of will. Wink
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Reply #59 - Nov 21st, 2018 at 10:31pm  
Labor will wedge Liberals in about thirty seconds over this
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