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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #30 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:30pm oh god another.. tit for tat thread... when will they ever grow up....
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #31 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:30pm lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:18pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:14pm: Still no comment about the topic I see....Dickhead??? I did demolish what you had to say on the topic. Dick. Were....You never commented on the substance of the topic???
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #32 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:31pm do you guys realise you complain about stooopid Pollies and here you are being just as stoooopid..
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19699 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #33 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:11pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:30pm: You never commented on the substance of the topic??? What was there to say? That I agree with it? That both Labor and the Coalition have skeletons that might not enjoy the light of day?
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Reply #34 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 7:46am

Poor little Bammy just does not want to understand that this Corruption bulldust is just a sick ploy by GetUp! to try to ensnare ScoMo.

ScoMo just has to delay it by saying there is much more urgent stuff to do now and ScoMo might take it to the election and say if we are re-elected we will implement an appropriate Corruption Watch Dog.

This Watch Dog would then be flat out all day long like a lizard drinking investigating Labor and the union's endless scandals.

ScoMo is far too smart to be caught by a sick little childish GetUp! plot. He might sool the new Advance Australia Good Guys on to them.

Wonder what Labor's next scandal will be ?

Things is collapsing big time down Victoria way as Labor's Black African Terrorists bring mayhem and catastrophe on the populace much to the Extremist Greenies delight.

Things is looking blacker by the day for Labor.

ScoMo the Shorty killer

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Reply #35 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 9:43am

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:30pm:

oh god another.. tit for tat thread...

when will they ever grow up.... Angry

Yes, it's a worry.

I'm just wondering why the Coalition won't get on board.

Something to hide, perhaps? A Coalition corruption thread that has over 40 examples of the Coalition's misconduct? Scullion's misappropriation of taxpayers' money? Parakeelia? GBR Foundation? Indue? Foxtel? Several other examples of grants going to organisations that haven't asked for it that happened to have Liberals or their donors as directors?

Hmm. No wonder the Coalition don't want this.

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Reply #36 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 9:57am

juliar wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 7:46am:

Poor little Bammy just does not want to understand that this Corruption bulldust is just a sick ploy by GetUp! to try to ensnare ScoMo.

ScoMo just has to delay it by saying there is much more urgent stuff to do now and ScoMo might take it to the election and say if we are re-elected we will implement an appropriate Corruption Watch Dog.

This Watch Dog would then be flat out all day long like a lizard drinking investigating Labor and the union's endless scandals.

ScoMo is far too smart to be caught by a sick little childish GetUp! plot. He might sool the new Advance Australia Good Guys on to them.

Wonder what Labor's next scandal will be ?

Things is collapsing big time down Victoria way as Labor's Black African Terrorists bring mayhem and catastrophe on the populace much to the Extremist Greenies delight.

Things is looking blacker by the day for Labor.

A delusional fantasy from the Liberal party whackoes.

Now for the TRUTH.

The Liberals and Nationals do not want to go anywhere near a National Integrity Commission because they would get nailed. HARD. They're in too deep.

Some names to investigate: Parakeelia, Indue, Serco, Foxtel, Sydney Water, Great Barrier Reef Foundation. Any one of these would produce damaging headlines for the Coalition if investigated, which is why they do not want this.

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Reply #37 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 10:01am

I do think Katter has a point what in actual fact do these Watchdogs find.. or more to the POINT prevent happening over again???? Roll Eyes

seems to me very little.....

and what exactly is CORRUPT.....people fudging their expenses has been going on since federation....its not really corrupt....well not what I call corrupt.....

you seem to believe this NET will only catch libs..

good luck with that thought bam...

so not forget it will also cost unknown amounts of money..........

what exactly will they be searching for???.....do we have any idea?......

Corruption
/kəˈrʌpʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
1.
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.
"the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
synonyms: dishonesty, dishonest dealings, unscrupulousness, deceit, deception, duplicity, double-dealing, fraud, fraudulence, misconduct, lawbreaking, crime, criminality, delinquency, wrongdoing, villainy; More
2.
the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous or debased.
"a record of a word's corruption"
synonyms: alteration, falsification, doctoring, manipulation, manipulating, fudging, adulteration, debasement, degradation, abuse, subversion, misrepresentation, misapplication; rarevitiation
"these figures have been subject to corruption"

it covers an awful lot........but I am not sure our Govts have crossed these lines.... Roll Eyes

bam you do forget about the C hinese making huge donations to Labor for information supplied by Dastyari.. Roll Eyes

... the Libs are not alone

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Reply #38 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:23am

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 10:01am:

I do think Katter has a point what in actual fact do these Watchdogs find.. or more to the POINT prevent happening over again???? Roll Eyes

seems to me very little.....

and what exactly is CORRUPT.....people fudging their expenses has been going on since federation....its not really corrupt....well not what I call corrupt.....

you seem to believe this NET will only catch libs..

good luck with that thought bam...

so not forget it will also cost unknown amounts of money..........

what exactly will they be searching for???.....do we have any idea?......

No, I don't think that. Not for a second.

However, the Coalition has been in government for the last five years and it has engaged in dubious conduct that warrants investigation. And not just this government either. Some of the dealings of the Howard government could do with investigation.

As for Labor, let's get something straight first. Every time the Liberals get in - every single time - they have gone after the Labor party and the unions with Royal Commissions to try to uncover corruption. Menzies did it. Fraser did it. Howard did it. Abbott did it. They didn't find much last time. No, Labor hasn't much to fear because anything that may have been uncovered has already been uncovered.

So far, Labor hasn't returned the favour in government, so any misconduct by the Coalition hasn't been uncovered. That's about to change, with the impending establishment of a permanent National Integrity Commission, and it's got the Coalition very worried. What's remained hidden for decades - misconduct in public office by the Coalition - will no longer remain hidden.

So while a National Integrity Commission's dragnet won't make Labor immune to the possibility of misconduct by a Labor government being uncovered, on the simple balance of probability, it's certain that more examples of misconduct by Federal Coalition government will be uncovered. Why? The Coalition has been in government for 14 out of the last 20 years, Labor's already been investigated and the Coalition has not. If you think Labor has more instances of misconduct to fear being exposed than the Coalition, frankly, you're kidding yourself.

Future Labor governments may provide new examples, but existing examples? Sorry, the Coalition's got a lot more misconduct waiting to be investigated.

We need a National Integrity Commission. Having such a commission will stop future misconduct.

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Reply #39 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:25am

It seems that at this point here is not even legislation.

So how would the Commission work?

Will it, should it become law, be prospective or retrospective?

If it is to be retrospective how far back should it extend?

So much froth and bubble currently.

"Australia continues to be perceived as one of the least corrupt countries in the world. Its score of 79/100 in Transparency International’s latest Corruption Perceptions Index gave it a ranking of 13 out of 168 countries. However, its decline on this index in recent years (from a score of 85 and a rank of seven in 2012), and continued revelations of corrupt conduct in the public and private sectors and some unions, highlight the need for continued attention to Australia’s anti-corruption and integrity framework."

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

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Reply #40 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:29am

Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19699 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #41 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:32am Bam wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:23am: Having such a commission will stop future misconduct. Dream on. It will merely make dishonest politicians try harder to conceal their actions. It may to some extent limit their involvement.
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Reply #42 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:35am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:29am:

Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes...

"Public sector and parliamentary integrity

Unlike each of the Australian states, which have established dedicated standing anti-corruption agencies, the Commonwealth has taken a multi-agency approach to combating corruption within or affecting the public sector. Within this system, a range of agencies have complementary roles. These include promoting integrity across the public service and investigating misconduct (Australian Public Service Commission), detecting and investigating law enforcement-related corruption issues (Australian Commission for Law Enforcement Integrity (ACLEI)) and preventing, detecting and investigating serious corruption that may constitute an offence under Commonwealth law (Australian Federal Police (AFP))."

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

So it seems you want to take it from a multi-agency approach to a single agency approach.

Doesn't seem to change much.

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Reply #43 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:43am

WTF would take the advice of a Government who is opposed to a Federal corruption body and any added scrutiny....Geez some people are thick???

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Do we need a federal anti-corruption commission?

In one word: yes.

All states have anti-corruption bodies that have brought to light many indiscretions by politicians that would have otherwise remained hidden. The federal government is lagging behind in this crucial area.

At the federal level, there is no transparency in backroom dealings by those in power, coupled with lax rules that can be abused. In these circumstances, corruption can take root without us knowing about it. An anti-corruption agency would be a powerful deterrent against improper behaviour.

There is strong public support for a federal anti-corruption body in the Griffith University survey, with two-thirds (67%) of Australians in favour of this.

The Labor Party has pledged to introduce a federal integrity commission if it wins the next election.

https://theconversation.com/australians-think-our-politicians-are-corrupt-but-wh...

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Reply #44 - Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:58am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2018 at 11:29am:

Who cares if the Coalition, Labor or any other politician is caught by an anti-corruption body and prosecuted for their crimes....I fail to see how pointing out one side or the other will be caught by the new watchdog in any way diminishes the need to hold the bastards too account....I have not seen one valid argument against the establishment of a Federal anti corruption body....Apart from partisan bullshit from the usual suspects why wouldn't anyone support this reform???

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so what is your idea of CORRUPTION IN GOVT phil?>..

I will be honest I have no idea what this watchdog will be looking at.

so you lefties seem hysterical about having one..

fine good for you.... just say what you are expecting them to be FINDING....

thus far when it come to ICAC....all I have seen is two ex labor ministers in JAIL for CORRUPTION...the rest may have lost a job or position over what I dont know...was it corrupt though....the list of what is considered corruption is very LONG.....

if they catch many pollies with those charges then I for one will give up on this countries ability to pick good people to run it..

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