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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #15 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:18pm

this is the bit I didnt like...

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Mr Shorten, who announced plans for such a commission in January, said he had discussed Labor’s model with crossbench MPs ahead of the last sitting fortnight of Parliament for the year.

He believed there was an “appetite” across party lines for a national integrity commission, which he described as a “down payment” to ensure that Australians could have confidence in the political process.

“We will work with the coalition, but we will not wait for them,” Mr Shorten said.

does he actually think HE IS THE PM

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #16 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

.If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed...

Do you understand what you have written?

"If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not" - If there is no punishment how can there be an offence?

"it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed." - Therefore there is a crime and a punishment.

"punitive adjective
uk /ˈpjuː.nɪ.tɪv/ us /ˈpjuː.nə.t̬ɪv/

formal or specialized law intended as a punishment: "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/punitive

But perhaps you can show a law for which no punishment is invoked? Not even a sentence until the "rising of the court"?

Or perhaps you mean no custodial sentence should be imposed instead of jail for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies” .

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #17 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:41pm

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

this is the bit I didnt like...

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Mr Shorten, who announced plans for such a commission in January, said he had discussed Labor’s model with crossbench MPs ahead of the last sitting fortnight of Parliament for the year.

He believed there was an “appetite” across party lines for a national integrity commission, which he described as a “down payment” to ensure that Australians could have confidence in the political process.

“We will work with the coalition, but we will not wait for them,” Mr Shorten said.

does he actually think HE IS THE PM

He doesn't need to be the PM when the government is a minority government. One day you'll learn the ramifications of this.

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #18 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:45pm

juliar wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:20pm:

The very last thing scandal prone union controlled Labor wants is a Corruption Watch Dog. Just think of Labor's vast cesspool of corruption!!!!

This is just a dumb GetUp! ploy to try to trap ScoMo who is already way ahead of slow Shorty.

All ScoMo has to do is delay it and suggest taking it to the election as there are much more urgent tasks to be done now such as cut immigration.

And ScoMo will be fully occupied throwing election winning dirt at Shorty.

Poor juliar is still persisting with the delusional fantasy that Labor's got all the corruption and the Coalition are squeaky clean. Juliar is in for a very, VERY nasty shock after the next election.

If there was really a problem with Labor and corruption, the Coalition couldn't pass this fast enough. If a Coalition in an election-losing position could turn it around by nailing Labor's hypothetical corruption, they would do so, surely? Why aren't they passing this, juliar? Too much Coalition corruption, perhaps?

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #19 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 6:57pm

cods wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:18pm:

this is the bit I didnt like...

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Mr Shorten, who announced plans for such a commission in January, said he had discussed Labor’s model with crossbench MPs ahead of the last sitting fortnight of Parliament for the year.

He believed there was an “appetite” across party lines for a national integrity commission, which he described as a “down payment” to ensure that Australians could have confidence in the political process.

“We will work with the coalition, but we will not wait for them,” Mr Shorten said.

does he actually think HE IS THE PM

he will be soon- he is just getting in some practice

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #20 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:39pm

Poor Little Bammy's chooks have come home to roost as another LABOR stuffup occurs!!!!!

During their six sick years of Socialist insanity the Labor ghouls stuffed up repeatedly and they have not improved.

Labor to face pressure on environment policies after embarrassing stuff-up
Katharine Murphy Political editor Mon 19 Nov 2018 04.00 AEDT Last modified on Mon 19 Nov 2018 04.02 AEDT

Exclusive: Party members vow to step up push for national environment protection authority at ALP conference.

Tony Burke wants the environmental commitments deleted from Labor’s draft policy platform before the December conference, and says they will now be debated on the conference floor. Photograph: Mike Bowers for the Guardian

Labor’s Environment Action Network (Lean) has warned the ALP it will not give up on securing a significant overhaul of federal environment laws in the first term of a Shorten government, and a national environment protection authority to police the framework, despite an embarrassing process stuff-up with the draft policy platform.

A draft policy platform signed off by the ALP national executive and circulated to conference delegates last month suggested both policy commitments and a national environment commission would be adopted by the party’s national conference in December – but the shadow environment minister, Tony Burke, has now put the brakes on.

Read the rest of the disintegrating Labor and its stuffups here

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/19/labor-to-face-pressure-on...

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #21 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:05pm

lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 5:29pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

.If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed....The point is punitive action may be taken but it in no way diminishes (or excuses) the need to address more serious misconduct does it???

Do you understand what you have written?

"If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not" - If there is no punishment how can there be an offence?

"it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed." - Therefore there is a crime and a punishment.

"punitive adjective
uk /ˈpjuː.nɪ.tɪv/ us /ˈpjuː.nə.t̬ɪv/

formal or specialized law intended as a punishment: "

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/punitive

But perhaps you can show a law for which no punishment is invoked? Not even a sentence until the "rising of the court"?

Or perhaps you mean no custodial sentence should be imposed instead of jail for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies” .

Editing my posts again to avoid the question dickhead....Already answered in the text you omitted....You are a deceitful prick aren't you???

WTF does it matter....A federal anti-corruption commission will investigate any crimes or wrong doing regardless of their nature!!!

Let me explain it too you!!!

Katter was claiming MP's were jailed for pedantic, petty irrelevancies (during the Fitzgerald enquiry) as an excuse not to back the federal corruption commission....This of course means a federal corruption commission would also be unable to investigate any corruption no matter how serious....If MP's are caught doing wrong they need to be held too account!!!

Huh

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #22 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:33pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:

Editing my posts again to avoid the question dickhead....

I have no power to edit your posts. Silly bugger. I can however parse it for you.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed...

If there is no punishment available there is no offence. There has to be a law.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

The point is punitive action may be taken but it in no way diminishes (or excuses) the need to address more serious misconduct does it???

If there is no law there is no punishment.

Why do you have difficulty understanding something so basic?

Please show us one of these offences that is not punitive. It is your claim. Back it up.

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #23 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:44pm

lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:33pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:05pm:

Editing my posts again to avoid the question dickhead....

I have no power to edit your posts. Silly bugger. I can however parse it for you.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed...

If there is no punishment available there is no offence. There has to be a law.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:

The point is punitive action may be taken but it in no way diminishes (or excuses) the need to address more serious misconduct does it???

If there is no law there is no punishment.

Why do you have difficulty understanding something so basic?

Please show us one of these offences that is not punitive. It is your claim. Back it up.

Not interested in playing this pathetic word game with you mate....Punitive was the wrong word for me to use so lets call the crimes “pedantic, petty irrelevancies" using Katter's word's and comment on the topic!!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19699 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #24 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:51pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:44pm: Punitive was the wrong word for me to use so lets call the crimes “pedantic, petty irrelevancies" using Katter's word's and comment on the topic!!! Fair enough. Just could have happened sooner.
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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #25 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:52pm

juliar wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 7:39pm:

Poor Little Bammy's chooks have come home to roost as another LABOR stuffup occurs!!!!!

During their six sick years of Socialist insanity the Labor ghouls stuffed up repeatedly and they have not improved.

Posting offtopic deflections to dodge the question again.

If there was really a problem with Labor and corruption, the Coalition couldn't pass this fast enough. If a Coalition in an election-losing position could turn it around by nailing Labor's hypothetical corruption, they would do so, surely? Why aren't they passing this, juliar? Too much Coalition corruption, perhaps?

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #26 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:53pm

lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:51pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:44pm:

Punitive was the wrong word for me to use so lets call the crimes “pedantic, petty irrelevancies" using Katter's word's and comment on the topic!!!

Fair enough. Just could have happened sooner.

Stop trolling then dickhead!!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19699 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #27 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:06pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:53pm: Stop trolling then dickhead!!! Oh dear. poor phil. makes a mistake, gets caught and it is my fault.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #28 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:14pm lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:06pm: philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 9:53pm: Stop trolling then dickhead!!! Oh dear. poor phil. makes a mistake, gets caught and it is my fault. Still trolling....Still no comment about the topic I see....Dickhead???
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19699 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #29 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:18pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 10:14pm: Still no comment about the topic I see....Dickhead??? I did demolish what you had to say on the topic. Dick.
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