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Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Nov 14^th, 2018 at 1:00pm

**BREAKING: The Senate just voted in favour of a Federal Corruption Watchdog.**

Which means we have a huge opportunity to stamp out political corruption on both sides.

We need just ONE MP to vote for this to make it a reality. But with only two weeks until a Bill comes before the lower House, we need to act fast.

Join the fight for a Federal Corruption Watchdog today. Sign our petition now.

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Robot Senior Member Offline Conspirator Posts: 441 Engadine Maccas	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #1 - Nov 18^th, 2018 at 7:01pm This is just another populist whinge.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 10:57am Gosh won't it be rushed off its feet investigating the non-stop Labor scandals and corruption. What will the next election losing Labor SCANDAL be ?
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Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:45am

juliar wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 10:57am:

Gosh won't it be rushed off its feet investigating the non-stop Labor scandals and corruption.

What will the next election losing Labor SCANDAL be ?

If there was really a problem with Labor and corruption, the Coalition couldn't pass this fast enough.

The Coalition's refusal to crack down on corruption shows quite clearly who the real guilty parties are. It isn't Labor.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 11:51am 'We will not wait': Shorten to test government on corruption watchdog Quote: *Bill Shorten has written to Scott Morrison asking for a bipartisan deal, while warning the crossbench and Labor could roll the government on the issue in the ‘coming weeks’.*
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Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:00pm

ScoMo has got Shorty with his back to the wall and Shorty is trying any dumbo trick he can think of.

With Labor's record of incompetence, scandals and salacious union control the last thing Labor would want is a Corruption Watch Dog.

Shorty is trying to get ScoMo to reject it so he can squawk his usual lying Socialist rubbish.

All ScoMo has to do is delay it or take it to the election.

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Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 1:30pm

juliar wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 12:00pm:

ScoMo has got Shorty with his back to the wall and Shorty is trying any dumbo trick he can think of.

With Labor's record of incompetence, scandals and salacious union control the last thing Labor would want is a Corruption Watch Dog.

Shorty is trying to get ScoMo to reject it so he can squawk his usual lying Socialist rubbish.

All ScoMo has to do is delay it or take it to the election.

I see the comic relief is here, trying to derail a topic the Liberals find very uncomfortable.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19611 Perth Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #7 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 4:16pm The Coalition will crumble to the inevitable under public pressure....What possible argument can Morrison make against a Federal anti-corruption body???
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5089 Gender:	Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate Reply #8 - Nov 19^th, 2018 at 4:25pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 4:16pm: The Coalition will crumble to the inevitable under public pressure....What possible argument can Morrison make against a Federal anti-corruption body??? That it will kill off half the coalition mps?
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Reply #9 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:07am

stunspore wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 4:25pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2018 at 4:16pm:

The Coalition will crumble to the inevitable under public pressure....What possible argument can Morrison make against a Federal anti-corruption body???

Huh

That it will kill off half the coalition mps?

The Mad Katter is worried and is making up his excuses already in case the Coalition cave to pressure....Katter argues a corruption body is a two edged sword which punishes punitive crimes in his opinion....What about the crimes that are not punitive Mr Katter....What a dickhead!!!

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Katter warns Shorten: corruption watchdog will bite you

Mr Katter, who could provide one of the two extra votes needed to force Opposition legislation through, said he would be “sitting on the fence on this one until the last minute” because a Federal ICAC could be a “two-edged sword”.

He said the Criminal Justice Commission set up after the Fitzgerald inquiry into Queensland Police in the 1980s had led to four Cabinet ministers who misused their ministerial allowances being jailed for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies”.

https://thewest.com.au/politics/federal-politics/katter-warns-shorten-corruption...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/nov/19/labor-threatens-to-use-co...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-12/fitzgerald-inquiry-files-reveal-inner-wor...

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #10 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:24am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

Katter argues a corruption body is a two edged sword which punishes punitive crimes in his opinion...

How would it punish non-punitive crimes? Could it even examine non-punitive crimes?

What is a an example of a non-punitive crime? If there is no punishment available - is it a crime?

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Reply #11 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm

lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:24am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 11:07am:

Katter argues a corruption body is a two edged sword which punishes punitive crimes in his opinion...

How would it punish non-punitive crimes? Could it even examine non-punitive crimes?

What is a an example of a non-punitive crime? If there is no punishment available - is it a crime?

Can't you read....Or are you being deliberately stupid and pedantic???

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Katter warns Shorten: corruption watchdog will bite you

Mr Katter, who could provide one of the two extra votes needed to force Opposition legislation through, said he would be “sitting on the fence on this one until the last minute” because a Federal ICAC could be a “two-edged sword”.

He said the Criminal Justice Commission set up after the Fitzgerald inquiry into Queensland Police in the 1980s had led to four Cabinet ministers who misused their ministerial allowances being jailed for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies”.

Katter claims an anti corruption body will prosecute "pedantic, petty irrelevancies” (Katter's words) which may be correct however it will also address very serious criminal crimes and hold Federal politicians too account....What crimes that are not punitive would you like too see ignored dickhead???

Huh

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Re: Federal corruption watchdog passes Senate
Reply #12 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:10pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Can't you read....Or are you being deliberately stupid and pedantic???

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

He said the Criminal Justice Commission set up after the Fitzgerald inquiry into Queensland Police in the 1980s had led to four Cabinet ministers who misused their ministerial allowances being jailed for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies”.

So punitive action was taken because they broke the law, that is committed a crime. Even if the offences were “pedantic, petty irrelevancies".

The law said that punitive actions were available to them. Therefore there were no non-punitive crimes committed.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

What crimes that are not punitive would you like too see ignored dickhead???

The question still stands - if there is no punishment available is there a crime?

You do understand punishment and punitive have the same root?

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Reply #13 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:20pm

The very last thing scandal prone union controlled Labor wants is a Corruption Watch Dog. Just think of Labor's vast cesspool of corruption!!!!

This is just a dumb GetUp! ploy to try to trap ScoMo who is already way ahead of slow Shorty.

All ScoMo has to do is delay it and suggest taking it to the election as there are much more urgent tasks to be done now such as cut immigration.

And ScoMo will be fully occupied throwing election winning dirt at Shorty.

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Reply #14 - Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:59pm

lee wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 4:10pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

Can't you read....Or are you being deliberately stupid and pedantic???

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

He said the Criminal Justice Commission set up after the Fitzgerald inquiry into Queensland Police in the 1980s had led to four Cabinet ministers who misused their ministerial allowances being jailed for “pedantic, petty irrelevancies”.

So punitive action was taken because they broke the law, that is committed a crime. Even if the offences were “pedantic, petty irrelevancies".

The law said that punitive actions were available to them. Therefore there were no non-punitive crimes committed.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2018 at 3:12pm:

What crimes that are not punitive would you like too see ignored dickhead???

The question still stands - if there is no punishment available is there a crime?

You do understand punishment and punitive have the same root?

You have the horse before the cart....If an offence has been committed weather punitive or not it would have a punishment relative to the crime committed....The point is punitive action may be taken but it in no way diminishes (or excuses) the need to address more serious misconduct does it???

Huh

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