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Nov 13th, 2018 at 12:03am
 
How does the Trump administration consistently lie to the American public and not be held accountable?

Sarah Sanders shared a video of CNN reporter Jim Acosta that has been altered to make his actions at a news conference look more aggressive toward a White House intern.

The edited video looks authentic: Acosta appeared to swiftly chop down on the arm of an aide as he held onto a microphone while questioning President Trump. But in the original video, Acosta’s arm appears to move only as a response to a tussle for the microphone. His statement, “Pardon me, ma’am,” is not included in the video Sanders shared.

It doesn't end there. She has also claimed, falsely, that more jobs have been created for African-Americans since Trump took office than during Barack Obama's eight-year tenure. In acknowledging that this was absurdly wrong (the true figures are about 3 million new jobs under Obama and about 700,000 under Trump), Sanders claimed that numbers she had given were right but "the time frame for Pres Obama wasn't."

Even that, however, is a lie. A little lie to be sure but little lies lead inexorably, of course, to big lies. Trump and his aides want us to believe that of the estimated 4 million Americans who have security clearances of some kind, the only individuals who deserve to have their clearances reviewed — and ultimately, perhaps, revoked — are a handful of vocal critics of Trump, including such figures as former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, former national security adviser Susan Rice and former acting Attorney General Sally Yates.

In fact the Washington Post published a remarkable story on its front page revealing a recent spike in the number of “false and misleading claims” made by President Trump. In his first year as President, Trump made 2,140 false claims, according to the Post. In just the last six months, he has nearly doubled that total to 4,229. In June and July, he averaged sixteen false claims a day.

On July 5th, the Post found what appears to be Trump’s most untruthful day yet: seventy-six per cent of the ninety-eight factual assertions he made in a campaign-style rally in Great Falls, Montana, were “false, misleading or unsupported by evidence.” Trump’s rallies have become the signature events of his Presidency, and it is there that the President most often plays fast and loose with the facts, in service to his political priorities and to telling his fervent supporters what they want and expect to hear from him.

At another rally in August in Tampa, Trump made thirty-five false and misleading claims, on subjects ranging from trade with China to the size of his tax cut.

Since taking office, Trump has repeated close to a hundred and fifty untruths at least three times.

Trump has lied, along with a tsunami of other fabrications, about former president Barack Obama’s birthplace, he’s made false claims about why he did not win the popular vote, he’s stated he knew nothing about payments prior to his election to the porn star Stormy Daniels, and he’s wrongly declared that the U.S. is the highest taxed nation in the world.

Now instead of Trump saying this imagine it was Hillary.
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 1:17am
 
If you believe that there were dinosaurs on Noah's Ark then there is no limit to the falsehoods you can believe, like Obama being a Muslim with no American birth certificate ...
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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:00am
 
I'm not sure, Raven, but I think the correct answer is that Fat Steve and his lovely partner Janeen just enjoy the sheer drama of it all.

Let's face it, they don't care much about truth or facts, that's just academic leftard nonsense (16 out of 17 professors are Marxists). They just want a bit of entertainment. You know, like ice hockey or wrestling. They just want to vibe with TV, fast food and dope, and what's wrong with that? They love Mr Trump for lifting them out of their miserable existences. They want him to cut off their health care and welfare. They want tax cuts for the rich. They want to see more military spending, they're all keen on that. A border wall has always been at the top of their list of priorities. Yes, they love seeing the Saudis propped up and the Israeli embassy moved to Jerusalem (although to be honest, they don't pay much attention to the details). In short, they understand that all this will make Amerika great again. They love football, hot dogs, Chevrolet and the America flag, and they love and respect their leader, Donald J Trump.

Truth has never been at the top of their list, Raven, but that shows just how much Mr Trump cares. If the American people cared about truth, he'd be sure to tell it to them, but right now, he's just vibing with Fat Steve and Janeen. 

What a fine fellow, what a Democrat, he'll make everybody happy, you'll see.

Suck on that, leftards. Not happy now, are you?

You never are.
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 6:09am
 
i have a darwinian definition of "the truth". its steeped in Piagets famous truth
"that we are all playing a game and if we continue to play the game and enjoy it then we have discovered the truth , by the definition of the game itself.

so, for example, if a mad scientist was able to cross ebola with smallpox and produce a supervirus that wiped out humanity, then whilst he was performing a scientific truth, because the consequences were failure of the species, then these actions were not true, by the definition of the game itself.

and if we construct a mythological hero , say in the form of christ and then we play the game of christianity and then we look back and see that michelangelo and the renaisance has emerged as a consequence. if we see that the sanctity of the individual has led us to the american constitution and the success of the west, then we can say that christianity is "true" by the definition of the game itself.

and you can run many things thru this filter.

you can run the game of marxism and see it is not a true game. people stopped wanting to play.
you can run multiculturalism and see where it works and where people have not wanted to play, so it might be a true game for new york but not a true game for hungary or saudi arabia.


now is the game of trump true?

well, we  are running the game.
its like monopoly, if people like the game, they will keep playing, if they dont, then the game isnt true.

what people like karnal try to do is to thru their own filter say that monopoly is a game with fake real estate and counterfeit money and how could anyone consider these things to be true.
thats his version of the truth.
mine is that if people like playing the game of trump, if it accrues over time, if the rules of trump can be course corrected to keep the game interesting, then trump is true.

putin, stormy daniels, how many people came to a rally, whether he builds a wall....thats really nothing at all to do with whether the 'game of trump" is worth playing.


is Game of thrones worth watching?
karnal would say that there are at least 300 lies in it, that dragons dont exist, that a princess cant survive in a fire, that jon snow cant be brought back to life. Karnal would make fun of it and urge us to ban it.

but if its a popular game that people enjoy, then it is true from a darwinian perspective and thats really all that matters
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 1:09pm
 
Aquascoot, Mr Trump's campaign slogan for the mid-terms was "promises made, promises kept". Mr Trump stood in front of this sign while he promised all sorts of things, including a 10% income tax cut to match the recent corporate tax cuts. He said he'd fight to keep pre-existing medical conditions out of health cover. And yes, he's building his big, beautiful wall.

Now in reality, Mr Trump could never deliver a 10% tax cut. Congress had dissolved for the mid-terms. The Trump administration has been fighting to keep pre-existing medical conditions in. And the wall? Only a few weeks ago, Mr Trump said he'd shut down the government if Congress didn't approve the funding.

This is the game Mr Trump's playing. He hears what Joe Lunchbox wants, and just says he's doing it. He says he's fighting for working class people, when in reality, he's giving everything he can to the big corporations. And then he says he's shaking up the Establishment and going after special interest groups.

Now I believe you support this game, but can you see why people might feel a bit cheated by it? When Mr Trump's asked by journalists how he'll do these things, Mr Trump just evades the question and calls them FAKE news for having the gall to ask.

I'm not clear why you think there's some sort of integrity in this game. Wouldn't it be more Darwinian if the politicians who survived the electoral process actually DID deliver on their promises? Isn't that the whole point of the political system?

By supporting lies, you're going against nature. You're trying to prop up a leader who should have been made extinct long ago. Mr Trump pretends, and then plays the victim game when he's called out. He never admits fault or takes responsibility, which is essential for human evolution. Great men and women, after all, acknowledge and correct their faults. Mr Trump just carries on lying about them.

When is he going to acknowledge that the wall has no hope of being built? Can he just keep pretending he's building it? Can he keep sending troops to the border to defend the country from an "invasion" of 3000 unarmed men, women and children? Can he keep playing games with the biggest economic and military power in the world?

I think he can and will. But can you see how people may find this game a little self-indulgent?
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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm
 
Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 12:03am:

How does the Trump administration consistently lie to the American public and not be held accountable?





Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.

But many American citizens would rather vote for a politically inexperienced Trump.

They    know    that had the Democrat party come to power, to the Presidency with HRC, that would have been a much much worse outcome, than Donald J Trump.


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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:58pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Raven wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 12:03am:

How does the Trump administration consistently lie to the American public and not be held accountable?





Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.

But many American citizens would rather vote for a politically inexperienced Trump.

They    know    that had the Democrat party come to power, to the Presidency with HRC, that would have been a much much worse outcome, than Donald J Trump.





Ronald Reagan when? When he went for the Presidency? Cause he was governor for 8 years
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm
 
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.

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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:40pm
 



@ Reply #6 and Reply #7

Well there ya go, i stand corrected.




RR hadn't been a 'full-blood' Washington pollie though, had he ???


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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


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Panther wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/LiveFreeOrDie!300X196.gif



Your memory seems to be fading, old boy.

The majority of people who voted in the 2016 election did NOT vote for Donald Trump.

So much for the attraction   Grin
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Reply #11 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/LiveFreeOrDie!300X196.gif



Your memory seems to be fading, old boy.

The majority of people who voted in the 2016 election did NOT vote for Donald Trump.

So much for the attraction   Grin


Enough people............over 60 million of them for Trump.......voted in the right places that mattered (majorities mean jack-squat in a Constitutional Republic, old boy).....maybe with Russian help & direction .........to win the Presidency in the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

So much for your piss weak denial.....
Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:28pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/LiveFreeOrDie!300X196.gif



Your memory seems to be fading, old boy.

The majority of people who voted in the 2016 election did NOT vote for Donald Trump.

So much for the attraction   Grin


Enough people............over 60 million of them for Trump.......voted in the right places that mattered (majorities mean jack-squat in a Constitutional Republic, old boy).....maybe with Russian help & direction http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/chuckle002.gif......to win the Presidency in the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

So much for your denial
.....
Grin Grin Grin



You can't have it both ways.

First, you say "Trump is popular, and that's all that matters".

Then, when it's proven to you that he isn't popular, you change your tune to "It's the Electoral College that matters".

Sorry, not gonna buy that one old boy   Grin

Most Americans who voted, voted AGAINST Trump - he's about as popular as a rattle snake in a lucky dip.

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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/LiveFreeOrDie!300X196.gif



Your memory seems to be fading, old boy.

The majority of people who voted in the 2016 election did NOT vote for Donald Trump.

So much for the attraction   Grin


Enough people............over 60 million of them for Trump.......voted in the right places that mattered (majorities mean jack-squat in a Constitutional Republic, old boy).....maybe with Russian help & direction http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/chuckle002.gif......to win the Presidency in the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

So much for your denial
.....
Grin Grin Grin



You can't have it both ways
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First, you say "Trump is popular, and that's all that matters".
I never spoke that quote in this thread, but if I did you'll find it.....go ahead....try  Grin


Then, when it's proven to you that he isn't popular, you change your tune to "It's the Electoral College that matters".
60 million + voters.....just about triple the Australian Population.......not popular!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy


Sorry, not gonna buy that one old boy   Grin
You can't buy it, old boy, Trump owns it, & you're intellectually insolvent!  Grin Grin


Most Americans who voted, voted AGAINST Trump - he's about as popular as a rattle snake in a lucky dip.
Tell that to some of the 60 million + voters, mostly armed Americans at one of his packed rallys....  Grin Grin Grin Nope, the majority voted for the Krinton....but sigh.....America ain't a Democracy, so she lost!!
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:59pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:28pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 14th, 2018 at 12:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:41pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 5:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 4:00pm:
Yadda wrote on Nov 13th, 2018 at 3:52pm:
Donald J Trump is not a seasoned politician.

He is much more in the mold of a 'Ronald Reagan', an inexperienced 'new boy'.





Reagan had years of experience as a politician before he became POTUS.

Trump had none.  Not a single day.



That's a greater part of his allure....

Americans absolutely despise & totally distrust all forms of central government, & the professional politicians it breeds.....ergo the continued attraction to "The Donald"


http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/LiveFreeOrDie!300X196.gif



Your memory seems to be fading, old boy.

The majority of people who voted in the 2016 election did NOT vote for Donald Trump.

So much for the attraction   Grin


[s]Enough people............over 60 million of them for Trump.......voted in the right places that mattered (majorities mean jack-squat in a Constitutional Republic, old boy).....maybe with Russian help & direction http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/chuckle002.gif......to win the Presidency in the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

So much for your denial.....
Grin Grin Grin



You can't have it both ways
.

First, you say "Trump is popular, and that's all that matters".
I never spoke that quote in this thread, but if I did you'll find it.....go ahead....try  Grin


Then, when it's proven to you that he isn't popular, you change your tune to "It's the Electoral College that matters".
60 million + voters.....just about triple the Australian Population.......not popular!  Cheesy Grin Cheesy


Sorry, not gonna buy that one old boy   Grin
You can't buy it, old boy, Trump owns it, & you're intellectually insolvent!  Grin Grin


Most Americans who voted, voted AGAINST Trump - he's about as popular as a rattle snake in a lucky dip.
Tell that to some of the 60 million + voters, mostly armed Americans at one of his packed rallys....  Grin Grin Grin Nope, the majority voted for the Krusty-Krotched_Krunt Krinton....but sigh.....America ain't a Democracy, so they lose!![/s]
  Grin Grin Grin



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First, you say "Trump is popular, and that's all that matters".

Then, when it's proven to you that he isn't popular, you change your tune to "It's the Electoral College that matters".

Grin

Keep moving those goal posts, old boy.
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