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Reply #435 - Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm
 
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #436 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:26am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And so do you, my bovine friend.

The first action of the Bolshy's in Russia was to make gun ownership illegal. In fact thats what tyrants do because they fear the people.

I don't think many would argue that the millions that were murdered by Stalin's purges and the Ukrainian farmers whose land was stolen would have happened if the Russian people were armed as they were under the Czars. History teaches us that power should always reside with the people.

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Reply #437 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:16am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.
   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NRA-ILA is far to busy successfully overcoming other more important issues with the Government & various other gun-grabbin' Leftist piss ants.

FACT: Fully Automatic Firearms are legal to own in the United States of America.  Wink

Any American Citizen, who has a clean criminal record, willing to do the required paperwork, & with enough time & money, can get a permit to own a fully automatic firearm, a machine gun, & various other firearms, from the ATF. 

[18 U.S.C. 922(o)(2); 26 U.S.C. 5812]

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Reply #438 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:36am
 
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Sometimes a judge says things so plainly, so authoritatively and with so much old-fashioned American commonsense that anyone paying attention is left speechless.

Some are left speechless out of deep appreciation. In the latest such example, these people are the citizens of United States who understand the nature of their freedom.

Others are left speechless because all their legal semantics have been sliced away from infringing upon American freedom by the mere thrust of a sharp pen.

Last week’s ruling in an NRA-supported challenge to California’s ban on the possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition is such a case. Judge Roger T. Benitez of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California ruled that the ban and confiscation of these commonly owned devices is unconstitutional.

“California Penal Code Section 32310, as amended by Proposition 63, burdens the core of the Second Amendment by criminalizing the acquisition and possession of these magazines that are commonly held by law-abiding citizens for defense of self, home, and state,” wrote Judge Benitez. “The regulation is neither presumptively legal nor longstanding. The statute hits at the center of the Second Amendment and its burden is severe. When the simple test of Heller is applied, a test that persons of common intelligence can understand, the statute fails and is an unconstitutional abridgment. It criminalizes the otherwise lawful acquisition and possession of common magazines holding more than 10 rounds—magazines that law-abiding responsible citizens would choose for self-defense at home.”

Judge Benitez based his ruling on the fundamental nature of a right once won by men and women with muskets in their hands—the Second Amendment of the U.S. Bill of Rights.

“This decision is a freedom calculus decided long ago by Colonists who cherished individual freedom more than the subservient security of a British ruler,” wrote Judge Benitez. “The freedom they fought for was not free of cost then, and it is not free now.”

The NRA and California Rifle and Pistol Association supported the plaintiffs in this case. “Judge Benitez took the Second Amendment seriously and came to the conclusion required by the Constitution,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action.

Judge Benitez had previously issued a preliminary injunction against the ban and confiscation law (CA Penal Code 32310 (a)) in 2017. That opinion reads like something the late great Justice Antonin Scalia might have penned.

Referring to the magazine ban in California Proposition 63, he wrote:

“There are also exceptions for employees of armored vehicle businesses and for movie and television actors when magazines are used as a prop. While there are other exceptions for licensed firearm dealers, manufacturers, and gunsmiths, there are no exceptions made for members of the Armed Forces, or those honorably discharged or retired. Likewise, there are no exceptions for civilian firearms instructors, concealed weapon permit holders, or families who live far from timely help by local law enforcement agencies and who must be self-reliant for their own defense, defense of their families, or of home and property. Finally, there are no exceptions made for citizens who, should the need ever arise, may be called upon to form a militia for the protection of the state from either foreign or domestic enemies.”.........
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Born in Havana, Cuba, Judge Benitez certainly is aware of what can happen when a government expunges freedom. He also wrote:

“California’s gun laws are complicated…. Proposition 63 adds one more layer of complexity. Perhaps too much complexity…. In California, the State has enacted, over the span of two decades, an incrementally more burdensome web of restrictions on the rights of law-abiding responsible gun owners to buy, borrow, acquire, modify, use, or possess ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds. The language used, the internally-referenced provisions, the interplay among them, and the plethora of other gun regulations, have made the State’s magazine laws difficult to understand for all but the most learned experts.

“Too much complexity fails to give fair notice and violates due process. ‘[A] penal statute creating a new offense must be sufficiently explicit to inform those who are subject to it what conduct on their part will render them liable to its penalties….’”


That’s clear. That’s concise. That’s a legal mind that both understands the nature of American freedom and the law.

Judge Benitez even noted that at “the preliminary injunction hearing, the attorney for the Attorney General, although well prepared, was not able to describe all of the various exceptions to the dispossession and criminalization components of §32310. Who could blame her? The California matrix of gun control laws is among the harshest in the nation and filled with criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law.”

This is a judge who gets that this magazine ban is focused on punishing law-abiding citizens in an effort to control them—it’s not a real attempt to curb criminal behavior.

Ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds are very popular because they are useful for sport and self-defense. Some estimates indicate there are more than 100 million such devices now in the hands of America citizens.

Judge Benitez also noted that in District of Columbia v.Heller (2008), “the Supreme Court made absolutely clear that ‘the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.’” The judge then found that the  “State of California’s desire to criminalize simple possession of a firearm magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds is precisely the type of policy choice that the Constitution takes off the table.”

Though this ruling is pure commonsense and is in-step with American freedom, it is hardly the last word on the topic. The Attorney General for California, Xavier Becerra (D), has already asked a federal judge to delay implementing the ruling while he appeals it. On Thursday, Judge Benitez issued a limited stay that prohibits enforcement of the ban against those who acquire the magazines before 5 p.m. Pacific time on April 5.

This is another battle for American freedom that could, at some point, find its way to the U.S. Supreme Court. This again emphasizes why elections matter—since the makeup of these courts is decided by politicians...............

............Most-Revealing Pro-Freedom Quote of the Week


“Plaintiffs understand the State’s concerns, but should the judgment be stayed immediately, even if only temporarily, countless otherwise law-abiding Californians who have already ordered LCMs [large capacity magazines] in reliance on the Court’s order but have not received them would unjustly be subjected to severe criminal penalties without notice. Therefore, unless the Court can unequivocally protect those individuals in an order granting the State’s temporary stay request, that request should be denied.” Anna M. Barvir, attorney for the plaintiffs in Duncan v. Becerra (the NRA-supported challenge to California’s magazine ban).






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Reply #440 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 12:38pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NRA-ILA is far to busy successfully overcoming other more important issues with the Government & various other gun-grabbin' Leftist piss ants.


Except it seems the NRA is willing to accept some "infringement" of the rights of American citizens, hey, Panther?

FACT: Fully Automatic Firearms are regulated in the United States, directly counter to the Second Amendment which states, ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Regulation is an "infringement", no matter how much it is dressed up.

The NRA is therefore a hypocritical organisation, Panther.  Perhaps that is why you like them so much?  They're just like yourself in that regard, right?   Roll Eyes

You'll also note I have quoted the full second amendment, unlike yourself, who only quotes the second half of the sentence.   Now, why aren't all US gun owners members of a "well regulated militia" as it seems only members of such an organisation are entitled to "keep and bear arms...."?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #441 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NRA-ILA is far to busy successfully overcoming other more important issues with the Government & various other gun-grabbin' Leftist piss ants.


Except it seems the NRA is willing to accept some "infringement" of the rights of American citizens, hey, Panther?

FACT: Fully Automatic Firearms are regulated in the United States, directly counter to the Second Amendment which states, ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Regulation is an "infringement", no matter how much it is dressed up.

The NRA is therefore a hypocritical organisation, Panther.  Perhaps that is why you like them so much?  They're just like yourself in that regard, right?   Roll Eyes

You'll also note I have quoted the full second amendment, unlike yourself, who only quotes the second half of the sentence.   Now, why aren't all US gun owners members of a "well regulated militia" as it seems only members of such an organisation are entitled to "keep and bear arms...."?
   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


White flag accepted Bwian... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin....Americans have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & it's so obvious that it burns yer crusty, dagged, fat, ass that they do & you can't do a damn thing about it!!!!

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Reply #442 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:51pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 12:38pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:16am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The NRA-ILA is far to busy successfully overcoming other more important issues with the Government & various other gun-grabbin' Leftist piss ants.


Except it seems the NRA is willing to accept some "infringement" of the rights of American citizens, hey, Panther?

FACT: Fully Automatic Firearms are regulated in the United States, directly counter to the Second Amendment which states, ""A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."  Regulation is an "infringement", no matter how much it is dressed up.

The NRA is therefore a hypocritical organisation, Panther.  Perhaps that is why you like them so much?  They're just like yourself in that regard, right?   Roll Eyes

You'll also note I have quoted the full second amendment, unlike yourself, who only quotes the second half of the sentence.   Now, why aren't all US gun owners members of a "well regulated militia" as it seems only members of such an organisation are entitled to "keep and bear arms...."?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


White flag accepted Bwian... Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin....Americans have the Right to Keep & Bear Arms, & it's so obvious that it burns yer crusty, dagged, fat, ass that they do & you can't do a damn thing about it!!!!


What "white flag", Panther?

Appears you're fantasising again.

I have never denied that US citizens have a right to keep and bear arms.  I am making the point they need to be a part of a "well regulated militia".  I am also making the point that the NRA (and by extension yourself) are being hypocritical as far as regulation of firearms goes.  The regulation of Firearms ownership does occur in the US, Panther even you admit that...   Roll Eyes



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Reply #443 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 3:42pm
 
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Arming School Staff Offers Stronger Protection
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All law-abiding, sane Americans agree: One of our country’s top priorities should be ensuring the safety of our school children. For decades, protecting our children has been a central focus of the National Rifle Association.

Through the NRA's Eddie Eagle GunSafe program, we’ve taught more than 30 million young children to be safe if they happen to find a firearm. Presented by school districts, police departments, fire stations and local community groups, Eddie Eagle’s lifesaving message “Stop. Don’t Touch. Run Away. Tell a Grownup” has undoubtedly saved young lives and helped significantly reduce the firearm accident rate involving children too young to be around a firearm.

More recently, in response to tragedies wrought by deranged criminals at American schools, the NRA has stood firm in calling for the immediate implementation of armed professional security in our schools. Armed security makes good common sense. After all, we protect our banks, sports stadiums and office buildings with armed guards. Surely, our children are more important and deserve at least that level of protection!

The NRA has been attacked for proposing that the surest way to stop a madman mass-killer with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Yet, nearly every crazed mass shooting has ended when good guys with guns—whether it be the police or an armed citizen—have come running to the scene of the tragedy. Good guys with guns work.

Not long ago, a Florida state commission investigated the Valentine’s Day 2018 murders at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. The national news media largely ignored the commission’s report, no doubt because it agreed with the NRA.

By a 13–1 vote, the safety commission recommended that the Florida state Legislature enact a proposal for teachers who undergo proper training to be allowed to carry firearms at Florida schools.

As we have come to expect, the recommendation was criticized by the Disarm America Movement and Second Amendment opponents. Indeed, the usual calls rang out for more gun control measures: banning semi-automatic firearms, so-called “red flag” laws, raising the minimum age to purchase a firearm and more.

We don’t need just one good guy with a gun protecting our children. We need a bunch of good guys—well-trained security professionals who could include teachers, counselors, coaches and administrators. No one cares more about schoolchildren than they do, and they should be given full support to ensure the safety of their students.

The question is no longer whether or not armed security (including teachers) should be in schools, but it’s how many school districts and states have already implemented it.

Since the NRA launched its School Shield program to offer free assistance to schools and school districts, the response has been overwhelming. State legislatures, districts and independent schools have been hardening facilities, seeking firearm-training programs and putting armed personnel on campuses all over the country.

For example, the Wyoming state Legislature is considering a measure to override local gun control laws to allow its citizens to carry firearms on school grounds and in other public places. The bill, which reportedly has widespread support in both legislative chambers, not only would repeal most gun-free zones across the state, but also allow the carrying of concealed firearms anywhere in the state for permit holders.

Casper, Wyo., Vice Mayor Shawn Johnson, noting that many mass shootings have occurred in gun-free zones, said: “I always think that the more responsible people who have a concealed weapon on them, the safer we are.”

In Ohio, firearm-training programs for teachers are overflowing with applicants. One trainee, a football coach at a small Ohio high school, explained why he sought training to carry a gun at school. “I think about what is right and wrong,” he said. “If a kid gets shot in a hallway, it would be wrong for me not to go out and stop it.”

That statement defines the heroism of every brave man and woman who has made the serious decision, sought the proper training and undertaken the responsibility of carrying a firearm to protect the school children they care so much about.

I’m asking every NRA member with a child or grandchild in school to urge your school boards, principals, teachers and local law enforcement to contact our NRA School Shield team at www.NRASchoolShield.org and schedule a free assessment. Doing so will make your loved ones safer in the classroom. And the NRA is here to help.






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Reply #444 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And so do you, my bovine friend.

The first action of the Bolshy's in Russia was to make gun ownership illegal. In fact thats what tyrants do because they fear the people.

I don't think many would argue that the millions that were murdered by Stalin's purges and the Ukrainian farmers whose land was stolen would have happened if the Russian people were armed as they were under the Czars. History teaches us that power should always reside with the people.

Insurance you see - power to the people! 


Immaterial, Panther.  It is not germane to this argument.  The NRA accepts regulation, it accepts that gun ownership can and is "infringed".   Therefore, your whole argument is bullshit, pure and simple.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You don't even live in the USA.  I cannot understand why you champion America's 2nd Amendment.   You're living a lie.   You are simply trolling everybody.
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Reply #445 - Apr 8th, 2019 at 11:00pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And so do you, my bovine friend.

The first action of the Bolshy's in Russia was to make gun ownership illegal. In fact thats what tyrants do because they fear the people.

I don't think many would argue that the millions that were murdered by Stalin's purges and the Ukrainian farmers whose land was stolen would have happened if the Russian people were armed as they were under the Czars. History teaches us that power should always reside with the people.

Insurance you see - power to the people! 


Immaterial, Panther.  It is not germane to this argument.  The NRA accepts regulation, it accepts that gun ownership can and is "infringed".   Therefore, your whole argument is bullshit, pure and simple.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You don't even live in the USA.  I cannot understand why you champion America's 2nd Amendment.   You're living a lie.   You are simply trolling everybody.   


The NRA has allowed some revisions to the 2nd amendment but the substance of "the right to bare arms shall not be infringed" has not changed.

"Bullshit" is not an acceptable argument - you must do better. You assume too much - as my old English teacher used to say. To assume is to make an ass of you and me.

I support all that empowers the individual - so long as it does not harm others and that includes the responsible use and ownership of weapons. Maybe difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand.

BTW: Are you now or have been a member of the communist or a socialist party? You do sound as though are or were part of the borg collective.
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Reply #446 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 12:20am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 11:00pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 8th, 2019 at 1:26am:
Brian Ross wrote on Apr 7th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Oh, poor, poor, Panther.  I see nothing that indicates that the NRA has contested the regulations concerning fully-automatic weapons.   You need to do better than that.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


And so do you, my bovine friend.

The first action of the Bolshy's in Russia was to make gun ownership illegal. In fact thats what tyrants do because they fear the people.

I don't think many would argue that the millions that were murdered by Stalin's purges and the Ukrainian farmers whose land was stolen would have happened if the Russian people were armed as they were under the Czars. History teaches us that power should always reside with the people.

Insurance you see - power to the people! 


Immaterial, Panther.  It is not germane to this argument.  The NRA accepts regulation, it accepts that gun ownership can and is "infringed".   Therefore, your whole argument is bullshit, pure and simple.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

You don't even live in the USA.  I cannot understand why you champion America's 2nd Amendment.   You're living a lie.   You are simply trolling everybody.   


The NRA has allowed some revisions to the 2nd amendment but the substance of "the right to bare arms shall not be infringed" has not changed.


Except the NRA has accepted infringements to it's definition of the 2nd Amendment, Richdude and your attempt to obfuscate does not become you.  Panther has been caught out.

Oh, and what happened to the first part of the 2nd Amendment in your and the NRA and Panther's quote?  Bit of selective editing going on there, I believe.  What happened about the need for gun owners to be members of a "well regulated militia"?

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"Bullshit" is not an acceptable argument - you must do better. You assume too much - as my old English teacher used to say. To assume is to make an ass of you and me.


Tough luck, Richdude.  it describes Panther's claims about the NRA and his views on the Second Amendment perfectly, as I have shown.   There have been "infringements" and the NRA has accepted them.  This makes the claims Panther makes bullshit.

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I support all that empowers the individual - so long as it does not harm others and that includes the responsible use and ownership of weapons. Maybe difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand.


I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist".   I believe that gun ownership is a privilege.  The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right".   However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms.  All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.

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BTW: Are you now or have been a member of the communist or a socialist party? You do sound as though are or were part of the borg collective.


And why would it matter if I was?   I always find it remarkable how Americans assume that I am a Communist or a Socialist.  You lot really are quite sick in your attitudes to people with differing opinions.   I have never been a member of any political party of Australia.   I argue from my own position, nothing more.

Tell me, are you a member of the NRA?  How about that "regulated militia"?  What about the Grand Ol' Party?   The John Birch Society?  Mmmmm?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #447 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 1:49am
 
I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist".   I believe that gun ownership is a privilege.  The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right".   However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms.  All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do .........  and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.

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Reply #448 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 9:12am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 9th, 2019 at 1:49am:
I am neither brainwashed nor am I a "collectivist".   I believe that gun ownership is a privilege.  The US has gotten it badly wrong by according it the status of a "right".   However, that is the US's problem and as we have seen, it has already accepted that it is possible to regulate ownership of some kinds of firearms.  All I am suggesting is that it should be extended to semi-automatic firearms, nothing more.
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You just made my point - thank you!

"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do .........  and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.

So what are you afraid of? Do you think that if people have more freedom - chaos will ensure? That Ozzies are not mature enough to have more freedom? Hmm ... maybe. There is no correlation between regulation and civil chaos.



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"Benefits and privileges" are what prisoners have. You still have a convict mentality ....... its depressing. Free men and woman living in a free country have freedom and responsibility. Freedom to do what you chose to and responsibility to do no harm to others. We don't need permission - a permit or license. Where as you ask "am I allowed to do .........  and what are the regulations" You have given away your rights to others who probably couldn't run a fruit stand.......


Excellent, I couldn't have said it better....I will put that to good use some day when I'm surrounded by a slew of Aussie anti-gunner crocodiles.................wouldn't ya know it would take a fellow American ta point that out so brilliantly.........

...   Thanks Brother!! ...  ...



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Reply #449 - Apr 9th, 2019 at 9:55am
 

"Individually, several studies have found that the presence of a gun in a home elevates the risk of death."

Poll: most Americans say gun ownership increases safety. Research: nope.
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