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Reply #256 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 10:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:07am:

Who cares about your ancestry? We care about the here and now and what it means for us as individuals and as a nation.

If the Islamites had taken over instead of Whitey, the keffir Kaffirs would be in dire straits today... if they existed at all they would be paying homage to the Islamite masters and living under strict religious laws that would probably kill many of them...

Standing up for your culture and connection with the land would mean you were insulting Islam and The Prophet... you would be hanged or beheaded....

Why do you defend this? Do you see some common cause as a minority with the Muslims?

Perhaps you should sit down with their leaders and work out an equitable strategy that helps you both...

That would be fun to watch....

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Graps, I am glad you're not concerned about my ancestry. Neither am I. Soren however appears to have a new bee in his bonnet.

As for why I defend Muslims - I do not believe anybody deserves to be persecuted simply because of their religious beliefs. All the Muslims I have known - I have served with/studied with/worked with many - have been decent, hard working, honest, law abiding people. I do not doubt there are some Muslims who aren't but I've never encountered one. The Muslims today are treated in exactly the same way Catholics, the Jews, the Irish, the Indigenous Australians, the Indochinese have been in the past. Isn't it time we learnt from our previous mistakes? Roll Eyes

Brian - Muslims are not oppressed here - they have the same rights as everyone else and then some considering the 'politics of inclusion'.

I have yet to hear from anyone how Muslims are oppressed in Australia. Someone cat-called a chick in a burka? I'm heart-broken.

I'm not going to go over the endless list of rights that Muslims enjoy here, as opposed to 'there', and the peace they have here compared to 'back home', and how they simply cannot accept that and accommodate themselves to it, but persist in their centuries old war against everyone and their supremacist attitude, which most find laughable given the realities.

Tell me, Graps, what is your opinion about the building of Mosques in Australian towns/cities?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed in the MSM? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed online in forums like this? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are all too often treated in Australian society? Fair? Balanced?

I'd be interested in reading your response.

You actually want Islam to supplant Christianity and become dominant in Australia.
You hate Christianity that much. You'd rather have sharia than have Christianity or secularism survive. You are that mad and deformed, Bwian.

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #257 - Oct 28^th, 2018 at 10:45pm

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 10:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:07am:

Who cares about your ancestry? We care about the here and now and what it means for us as individuals and as a nation.

If the Islamites had taken over instead of Whitey, the keffir Kaffirs would be in dire straits today... if they existed at all they would be paying homage to the Islamite masters and living under strict religious laws that would probably kill many of them...

Standing up for your culture and connection with the land would mean you were insulting Islam and The Prophet... you would be hanged or beheaded....

Why do you defend this? Do you see some common cause as a minority with the Muslims?

Perhaps you should sit down with their leaders and work out an equitable strategy that helps you both...

That would be fun to watch....

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Graps, I am glad you're not concerned about my ancestry. Neither am I. Soren however appears to have a new bee in his bonnet.

As for why I defend Muslims - I do not believe anybody deserves to be persecuted simply because of their religious beliefs. All the Muslims I have known - I have served with/studied with/worked with many - have been decent, hard working, honest, law abiding people. I do not doubt there are some Muslims who aren't but I've never encountered one. The Muslims today are treated in exactly the same way Catholics, the Jews, the Irish, the Indigenous Australians, the Indochinese have been in the past. Isn't it time we learnt from our previous mistakes? Roll Eyes

Brian - Muslims are not oppressed here - they have the same rights as everyone else and then some considering the 'politics of inclusion'.

I have yet to hear from anyone how Muslims are oppressed in Australia. Someone cat-called a chick in a burka? I'm heart-broken.

I'm not going to go over the endless list of rights that Muslims enjoy here, as opposed to 'there', and the peace they have here compared to 'back home', and how they simply cannot accept that and accommodate themselves to it, but persist in their centuries old war against everyone and their supremacist attitude, which most find laughable given the realities.

Tell me, Graps, what is your opinion about the building of Mosques in Australian towns/cities?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed in the MSM? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed online in forums like this? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are all too often treated in Australian society? Fair? Balanced?

I'd be interested in reading your response.

You actually want Islam to supplant Christianity and become dominant in Australia.
You hate Christianity that much. You'd rather have sharia than have Christianity or secularism survive. You are that mad and deformed, Bwian.

Anything relevant? Anything on topic? Nope, doesn't appear to be, Soren. Tsk, tsk, I really don't know why you bother posting. I really don't. Roll Eyes

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #258 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 1:09am

Frank wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 9:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 1:39pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 10:07am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 12:46pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 27^th, 2018 at 1:07am:

Who cares about your ancestry? We care about the here and now and what it means for us as individuals and as a nation.

If the Islamites had taken over instead of Whitey, the keffir Kaffirs would be in dire straits today... if they existed at all they would be paying homage to the Islamite masters and living under strict religious laws that would probably kill many of them...

Standing up for your culture and connection with the land would mean you were insulting Islam and The Prophet... you would be hanged or beheaded....

Why do you defend this? Do you see some common cause as a minority with the Muslims?

Perhaps you should sit down with their leaders and work out an equitable strategy that helps you both...

That would be fun to watch....

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

Graps, I am glad you're not concerned about my ancestry. Neither am I. Soren however appears to have a new bee in his bonnet.

As for why I defend Muslims - I do not believe anybody deserves to be persecuted simply because of their religious beliefs. All the Muslims I have known - I have served with/studied with/worked with many - have been decent, hard working, honest, law abiding people. I do not doubt there are some Muslims who aren't but I've never encountered one. The Muslims today are treated in exactly the same way Catholics, the Jews, the Irish, the Indigenous Australians, the Indochinese have been in the past. Isn't it time we learnt from our previous mistakes? Roll Eyes

Brian - Muslims are not oppressed here - they have the same rights as everyone else and then some considering the 'politics of inclusion'.

I have yet to hear from anyone how Muslims are oppressed in Australia. Someone cat-called a chick in a burka? I'm heart-broken.

I'm not going to go over the endless list of rights that Muslims enjoy here, as opposed to 'there', and the peace they have here compared to 'back home', and how they simply cannot accept that and accommodate themselves to it, but persist in their centuries old war against everyone and their supremacist attitude, which most find laughable given the realities.

Tell me, Graps, what is your opinion about the building of Mosques in Australian towns/cities?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed in the MSM? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed online in forums like this? Fair? Balanced?

What do you think about the way Muslims are all too often treated in Australian society? Fair? Balanced?

I'd be interested in reading your response.

You actually want Islam to supplant Christianity and become dominant in Australia.
You hate Christianity that much. You'd rather have sharia than have Christianity or secularism survive. You are that mad and deformed, Bwian.

And the old boy is - not a Christian.

Superior culture though. University of Balogney, innit

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Reply #259 - Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:18pm

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

You have conveniently ignored this post Brian.

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Reply #260 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:03am

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

I'd like to see that.... ripping off their clothing.... how many, when and where and what clothing was that? One headscarf ripped off by a lone nutter? And that means Muslims are oppressed? And this in no way compares with ritualised rape of non-Muslims by Muslims stating that they will show them 'how to have sex in the Lebanese way'?

Their children are assaulted and insulted? When and where... and then - where and when any more than other kids, and who started it? I've had more insults hurled at me by Muslims than I would ever give to Muslims.... it's part of their childish way of life to throw insults around and then whine when they get it back...

You need some very serious self-examination, Brian.

Offer proof or get out....

This kind of thinking is bordering on a serious psychiatric illness...

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Reply #261 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:04am

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:18pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

You have conveniently ignored this post Brian.

I ignored it because it was a silly post. Do your own research. All religions are not treated equally. Islam is very much the underdog, just as once the Catholics and the Jews were. We learnt that was a mistake in thier cases. We will eventually learn it is a mistake WRT to Islam.

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Reply #262 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:06am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:03am:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

I'd like to see that.... ripping off their clothing.... how many, when and where and what clothing was that? One headscarf ripped off by a lone nutter? And that means Muslims are oppressed? and this in no way compares with ritualised rape of non-Muslims by Muslims stating that they will show them 'hoe to have sex in the Lebanese way'?

Their children are assaulted and insulted? When and where... and then - where and when any more than other kids, and who started it? I've had more insults hurled at me by Muslims than I would ever give to Muslims.... it's part of their childish way of life to throw insults around and then whine when they get it back...

You need some very serious self-examination, Brian.

Offer proof or get out....

This kind of thinking is bordering on a serious psychiatric illness...

Run along, Graps. The only ones displaying a serious psychiatric illness are the Islamophobes. The MSM is constantly filled with stories of Muslim women having their headscarves forcibly removed, of Muslim kids being assaulted. Do your own research. I refuse to do it for you. If you choose to blind yourself to reality, who's to blame, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Reply #263 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:06am:

Run along, Graps. The only ones displaying a serious psychiatric illness are the Islamophobes. The MSM is constantly filled with stories of Muslim women having their headscarves forcibly removed, of Muslim kids being assaulted. Do your own research. I refuse to do it for you. If you choose to blind yourself to reality, who's to blame, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's no answer.... Grin

.. just a personal slight..... Grin

Show me the headscarves forcibly removed stories ....

Run along, Brian.... you lost again...

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Reply #264 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:47am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:09am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:06am:

Run along, Graps. The only ones displaying a serious psychiatric illness are the Islamophobes. The MSM is constantly filled with stories of Muslim women having their headscarves forcibly removed, of Muslim kids being assaulted. Do your own research. I refuse to do it for you. If you choose to blind yourself to reality, who's to blame, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's no answer.... Grin

.. just a personal slight..... Grin

Show me the headscarves forcibly removed stories ....

Run along, Brian.... you lost again...

Look it up yourself, Graps. That is if you are willing to be honest? Roll Eyes

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Reply #265 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 8:39am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:09am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:06am:

Run along, Graps. The only ones displaying a serious psychiatric illness are the Islamophobes. The MSM is constantly filled with stories of Muslim women having their headscarves forcibly removed, of Muslim kids being assaulted. Do your own research. I refuse to do it for you. If you choose to blind yourself to reality, who's to blame, Mmmm? Roll Eyes

That's no answer.... Grin

.. just a personal slight..... Grin

Show me the headscarves forcibly removed stories ....

Run along, Brian.... you lost again...

"Charles Sturt University’s Associate Professor Mehmet Ozalp examined the 243 cases and made some confronting finds.

"Women wearing a hijab or other Islamic head coverings are overwhelmingly bearing the brunt of public Islam hate attacks — and the overwhelming majority of the attacks are perpetrated by men.

"Assoc Prof Ozalp’s analysis found about 80 per cent of verified anti-Islam attacks were inflicted on Muslim women and about 75 per cent of the attacks were inflicted by Anglo men.

"But perhaps even more frightening is the reluctance of bystanders to call out the often random, hate-fuelled attacks."

Are you a bystander, Grap?

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Reply #266 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 6:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:04am:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:18pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

You have conveniently ignored this post Brian.

I ignored it because it was a silly post. Do your own research. All religions are not treated equally. Islam is very much the underdog, just as once the Catholics and the Jews were. We learnt that was a mistake in thier cases. We will eventually learn it is a mistake WRT to Islam.

What are the great universal and humane ideas in Islam that are unfairly overlooked, Bwian?
I don't know any. Do you?

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Reply #267 - Oct 30^th, 2018 at 6:40pm

qur'an 8.67: It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made a great slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

That's straight from muammad the humane way to spread the word of allah.

qur'an 4.74: Let those that fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the cause of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.

That's the humane way to say "strap on a suicide vest and go an kill some little children at a kids concert"

Always remember.

[whine voice]islam is a religion of peace[/whine voice]

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Reply #268 - Oct 31^st, 2018 at 3:14pm

Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:04am:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:18pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

You have conveniently ignored this post Brian.

I ignored it because it was a silly post. Do your own research. All religions are not treated equally. Islam is very much the underdog, just as once the Catholics and the Jews were. We learnt that was a mistake in thier cases. We will eventually learn it is a mistake WRT to Islam.

What are the great universal and humane ideas in Islam that are unfairly overlooked, Bwian?
I don't know any. Do you?

What are the great universal and humane ideas in:

Christianity;
Judaism;
Hinduism;
Buddhism;
Shintoism;
Taoism;
Animism;
Paganism;

All religions believe they have knowledge revealed to their believers, Soren. Some are proselytising and want everybody to join in with them. Some don't. Who are you to determine what is right or what is wrong? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Reply #269 - Oct 31^st, 2018 at 5:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 31^st, 2018 at 3:14pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 30^th, 2018 at 12:04am:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 29^th, 2018 at 7:18pm:

Cu Chulainn wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 8:24pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?

Can you give us a demonstration of these offences? We know Australian women have been assaulted and raped by Muslims, some may have been Christian, do you have evidence of it happening the other way around? Who is assaulting and insulting their children? I thought I read their children were insulting and threatening death to female teachers. Their religion deserves to be insulted as do all religions, tough titties.

You have conveniently ignored this post Brian.

I ignored it because it was a silly post. Do your own research. All religions are not treated equally. Islam is very much the underdog, just as once the Catholics and the Jews were. We learnt that was a mistake in thier cases. We will eventually learn it is a mistake WRT to Islam.

What are the great universal and humane ideas in Islam that are unfairly overlooked, Bwian?
I don't know any. Do you?

What are the great universal and humane ideas in:

Christianity;
Judaism;
Hinduism;
Buddhism;
Shintoism;
Taoism;
Animism;
Paganism;

All religions believe they have knowledge revealed to their believers, Soren. Some are proselytising and want everybody to join in with them. Some don't. Who are you to determine what is right or what is wrong? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

So you can't think of one either, Bwian. Nobody can because there aren't any. There is nothing new and revelatory, redemptive, improving or positive for humanity in Islam. It's a joke sucked up by people without a sense of humour, as Ayatollah Khomeini so famously said.

Islam is thoroughly understood and when it is rejected, it is rejected because of its shortcomings, not because rejecting it is 'hate' or 'Islamophobia'.

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