Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 28
th, 2018 at 3:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 28
th, 2018 at 1:39pm:
Tell me, Graps, what is your opinion about the building of Mosques in Australian towns/cities?
What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed in the MSM? Fair? Balanced?
What do you think about the way Muslims are continually portrayed online in forums like this? Fair? Balanced?
What do you think about the way Muslims are all too often treated in Australian society? Fair? Balanced?
I'd be interested in reading your response.
My view? They can build a house of worship as long as it respects the neighbours like any other church... and as long as the religion taught does not include killing other people etc. How many Christian churches are being built in Muslim controlled territories in Oz?
Care to demonstrate where there are any "Muslim controlled territories in Oz"?
Churches have a far easier time being build around Australia than do Mosques. We have observed through the MSM the frequent Islamophobic demonstrations in Ballarat and elsewhere. We have observed other religious temples (ie Sikh/Buddhist/Hindu/etc) being attacked by Islamophobes. When Synagogues are attacked, the MSM are all over it. When a Muslim or other religious site is attacked, there is at most a brief news mention and it disappears from view immediately. Funny that, hey, Graps?
Quote:Muslims portray themselves in a bad light by holding up placards saying to cut heads of Infidels and such... by hiding in their ghettoes and refusing to condemn those who act out their violent religious teachings.... and by deliberately seeking NOT to assimilate but to remain separate and, in their eyes ONLY, superior.
Some Muslims may do that. Should you condemn all Muslims as a consequence? Tell me, do you condemn all Jews because of the antics of the Israelis? Do you condemn all Hindus because of the antics of the Indians? I think it's time you got a little more realistic, Graps. Your story isn't holding up under the torchlight of reasoned argument.
The majority of Muslims don't hold up placards, the majority of Muslims do assimilate, they do not remain separate, they do not believe themselves to be superior. They are like all other immigrant groups - they band together, they live near to people who are similar to them because they feel that they are not wanted here - something the majority of Australians appear to voice an opinion on.
Quote:People online are pointing out the real problems with many Muslims - the same ones they as a group will not address. If they'd just stop ranting about killing people, and supporting attacks on innocents, they'd get much better coverage.
How do you know if they are addressing what you believe has been identified as a "problem", Graps? How do you know what Muslims are saying or doing within their own communities? Tell us, do you read or understand Arabic or other languages commonly spoken there? Do you attend Mosque?
Muslims are and have address all the problems. Few Muslims want to see their daughters married off at the age of 9. Few Muslims want to live like their parents and grand-parents. They want to live an Australian Muslim lifestyle. A lifestyle which they are allowed to live in our Multi-Religous/Multicultural society. They don't break laws, they don't offend other people (unless the person is Islamophobic and nothing they do, except convert to Christianity will appease them). They just want their choices to be respected - exactly as the choices of all other Australians are respected.
Quote:How do I know how Muslims are 'far too often' treated in Australia? How are they treated in Australia? Cat-called by the occasional lout passing by?
And their women are being physically assaulted, their clothing ripped off, their children being assaulted and insulted, they themselves are having their religion insulted. Graps why doesn't that happen to Christians? Why doesn't it happen to Buddhists, Hindus, etc.?
Quote:I haven't yet received a reply that shows any entrenched and systematic oppression of Muslims here... in fact the opposite - they are given affirmative action to bring them up to speed for a start, and, unlike 'back home', are not subject to any rigorous constraints or fear of being night and fogged for some strange reason.
You aren't opening your eyes/ears, Graps. No one else is willing to take you one because they are nearly all Islamophobes. I suspect you're partly right and partly wrong. Muslims aren't suffering hard-line oppression - they aren't being rounded up, shipped off to re-education camps in cattle trucks as is apparently happening in Xinjiang in China. They aren't being forced to shave off their beards, they aren't seeing their Mosques closed. They are though suffering low-level oppression. They are being assaulted, they are being insulted, they are being prevented from building Mosques, they are being told their religion is wrong continually, they are being blamed for the antics of the tiny minority overseas who are Terrorists. This is the sort of bullshit that the Jews were forced to put up with until the 1950s downunder. This is the sort of bullshit that Catholics were forced to put with until the 1960s.