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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #165 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 4:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 3:37pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

So, Graps, let me put a question to you. If you were a Muslim in Australia, how would you view the way many in Australian society treat you? Would you characterise it as "victimise" or "oppress"? How about "hatred"? Roll Eyes

I have yet to see a Muslim ill-treated here ...

"One friend’s daughter was deeply traumatised while walking home. A car of young white men slowed down alongside her, shouted abuse, pulled out toy guns and pretended to shoot her."

"In one of many other incidents, a friend’s four-year-old son told her he didn’t think he would grow up to become a father, because he was sure he would be killed before he got older. When asked why, he referred to a letter delivered to their home earlier that week. The anonymous letter (which he had overheard his parents talking about) was a death threat."

Death threats to 4 year old kids.

Tsk tsk Roll Eyes

For Muslims in Australia, particularly hijab-wearing women and their children, Islamophobic attacks are all too common.

There's poo being shouted out of car windows all over the country Pecca. My sister got called a aussie slut once by a bunch of Lebbo's out of a car window. Problem with you lefties is you always cherry pick.

Yes, silly me.

Graps said "I have yet to see a Muslim ill-treated here ...", and I cherry-picked some examples involving Muslims.

Disgraceful.

Those are not incidents I've seen or even heard of first-hand .... I cannot vouch for their veracity ....I do hope that word 'disgraceful' is not applied to me - I have yet to see a Muslim ill-treated here in Australia..

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #166 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:41pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

So, Graps, let me put a question to you. If you were a Muslim in Australia, how would you view the way many in Australian society treat you? Would you characterise it as "victimise" or "oppress"? How about "hatred"? Roll Eyes

I have yet to see a Muslim ill-treated here ... I cannot vouch for their personal feelings of inferiority or uncertainty over living in a new nation... or their difficulty in assimilating fully... when you herd yourselves into ghettoes and self-isolate, you have yourself to blame for ongoing concerns over your inability to be fully a part of a nation/society/culture, and when a few members from your ghetto groups do and say awful things.....

Where is this tsunami of ill-treatment of Muslims, other than in the press and online discussion - and bear in mind that discussion per se of pertinent issues is not ill-treatment or abuse. Speech and freedom of discussion should not be curtailed simply to cater to the fears of a small group who may consider it harmful.

This ill-treatment is in their own minds primarily.

If I were a Muslim, and the thinking person that I am, I would be wondering what all the fuss is about... and why greater efforts were not being made to be a full contributing part of this society... but that's me, and I would, as an individual, be no more bound by rigid Islamic religious control that I currently am by rigid Christian religious control = Not At All.

Of course - that might cause a fatwah against me....

So, you would blame it all on the Muslims, Graps?

You appear unable or unwilling to walk a mile in their shoes. Blame the victim? Yes, that always work, now doesn't it.

Tell me, do you blame the Jews for the Holocaust? The Indigenous Australians for the Stolen Generations and the Genocide of the Tasmanian Indigenous peoples?

Afterall you have to be fair about this "blaming the victim" card, now don't you, Graps? Roll Eyes

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #167 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:41pm

England as we know it, no longer exists

The plague of Moslems allowed to over run England has seen Great Britain lose its identity

The London Lord Mayor, a Moslem has lauded it but to think that Shariah Law now exists in England casts a great pall over a Country strong enough to defeat the might of Hitler, now finds itself being eaten alive from the enemy within (and they are that, they call us 'infidels)

The purpose of Moslems is to infiltrate Countries breed like flies then bit by bit take over that Country

To this end they have exceeded all too well in Great Britain

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Reply #168 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:53pm

The stolen generation has been proven as bull shite

No mass genocide, just mixing blood so that no one wants to be a tazzy abbos

Muzzos see problems where they want to because they want everyone to be retarded like they are and worship a retarded, self confessed paedophile, sociopath nutcase.

Anyone can find something to complain about if they try hard enough
Muzzos, abbos etc all go looking for everything and anything they can use as evidence of discrimination.

I heard one apologist saying the other day

Many racist people do not know they are being racist.
But that does not make their racism any less racist because they are not aware of it.

WHAT?

Perhaps we need to look at how muzzos and abbos treat normal white people
Is it not racist to tell us that they are going to take over our country?

Is it not racist to call us infidels and tell us we are going to hell?

Is it not racist to tell us that they will behead us?

Is it not racist to stop a white woman let her child go to a multicultural play school because she is white

Is it not racist to have abbos only medical centres

Is it not racist to have one form of welfare for whites and one, more gregarious for abbos.

Is it not racist to attack people, rape women on the street for not being muzzo

Well bwyannnnmnn
are these things not racist
Or is this just their kultcha

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #169 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:00pm

Re comment about stolen generation, when I did some actual research on it the truth appears more to be along the lines of children were taken out of bad situations and placed with loving white families for the most part and a lot of them had much better lives for it.

But instead of a thank you from them they demand an apology.

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #171 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:38pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

Re comment about stolen generation, when I did some actual research on it the truth appears more to be along the lines of children were taken out of bad situations and placed with loving white families for the most part and a lot of them had much better lives for it.

But instead of a thank you from them they demand an apology.

They don't want an apology they want compensation, I think they have already had the apology.
They all want a brand new landcruiser and some goon money.

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #172 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:45pm

Valkie wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:53pm:

The stolen generation has been proven as bull shite

Really?

I am sure that will come as a surprise to the Indigenous people who have proved their cases in Courts of Law that they were in fact "stolen" by the White authorities.

Stolen generation payout

Stolen Generation court battle: sisters win $200k

Trevorrer Versus the State of South Australia

Tsk, tsk, no one more ignorant than a Racist, hey? Oh, dearie, dearie, me. tripped up by reality. How amazing, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #173 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:59pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

Re comment about stolen generation, when I did some actual research on it the truth appears more to be along the lines of children were taken out of bad situations and placed with loving white families for the most part and a lot of them had much better lives for it.

But instead of a thank you from them they demand an apology.

They were stolen. I am unsure what you are consulting about this but according to the records, Indigenous children were taken from their families and were essentially used as slaves by many white settlers. They were mistreated, their wages were stolen and they never saw their parents again. Tsk, tsk, imagine that, Australia, founded on slavery, hey? Roll Eyes

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #174 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 7:07pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:59pm:

Term Dog wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 6:00pm:

Re comment about stolen generation, when I did some actual research on it the truth appears more to be along the lines of children were taken out of bad situations and placed with loving white families for the most part and a lot of them had much better lives for it.

But instead of a thank you from them they demand an apology.

They were stolen. I am unsure what you are consulting about this but according to the records, Indigenous children were taken from their families and were essentially used as slaves by many white settlers. They were mistreated, their wages were stolen and they never saw their parents again. Tsk, tsk, imagine that, Australia, founded on slavery, hey? Roll Eyes

Slavery alright. British convicts. It was just the abos who had it tough in the old days Brian.

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Term Dog Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1727 Gender:	Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts Reply #175 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 7:58pm Yeah the spin is they were ripped by soulless, satanic slave traders right from the loving arms of their parents while living beautiful, prosperous, heathy, successful lives. The reality they were rescued from a short, brutal life of hopelessness, squalor, poverty, disease and abuse.
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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #176 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 5:41pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 3:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 2:46pm:

So, Graps, let me put a question to you. If you were a Muslim in Australia, how would you view the way many in Australian society treat you? Would you characterise it as "victimise" or "oppress"? How about "hatred"? Roll Eyes

I have yet to see a Muslim ill-treated here ... I cannot vouch for their personal feelings of inferiority or uncertainty over living in a new nation... or their difficulty in assimilating fully... when you herd yourselves into ghettoes and self-isolate, you have yourself to blame for ongoing concerns over your inability to be fully a part of a nation/society/culture, and when a few members from your ghetto groups do and say awful things.....

Where is this tsunami of ill-treatment of Muslims, other than in the press and online discussion - and bear in mind that discussion per se of pertinent issues is not ill-treatment or abuse. Speech and freedom of discussion should not be curtailed simply to cater to the fears of a small group who may consider it harmful.

This ill-treatment is in their own minds primarily.

If I were a Muslim, and the thinking person that I am, I would be wondering what all the fuss is about... and why greater efforts were not being made to be a full contributing part of this society... but that's me, and I would, as an individual, be no more bound by rigid Islamic religious control that I currently am by rigid Christian religious control = Not At All.

Of course - that might cause a fatwah against me....

So, you would blame it all on the Muslims, Graps?

You appear unable or unwilling to walk a mile in their shoes. Blame the victim? Yes, that always work, now doesn't it.

Tell me, do you blame the Jews for the Holocaust? The Indigenous Australians for the Stolen Generations and the Genocide of the Tasmanian Indigenous peoples?

Afterall you have to be fair about this "blaming the victim" card, now don't you, Graps? Roll Eyes

How did this move to 'all Muslims'? I refer to specific situations... self-created in the main..... if that keffiyah/burkah fits, wear it....

I had distant relatives die in the European Holocaust.... my great-great grandparents on one side were Jews from Hamburg - no person of that name survived in Hamburg by 1945.

Now - what has history got to do with the current situation of Muslims? The most I've seen is one woman on a train or bus abusing a Muslim for wearing a head-scarf or something... that's just on the media... if Muslims were oppressed that Muslim woman would not have even been on the train or bus... I've also seen camera footage on the news of women and men abusing bus drivers... more than of Muslims wearing head-gear...

I think you are exaggerating for some mysterious reason of your own - what is YOUR source of information? I've asked countless times how, when, where and why Muslims are oppressed and victimised here today in Australia... it has not yet surfaced...

HOW are they 'victims' here in this nation that anyone might be blaming for their 'plight'? Be specific.

I've stated times many, without contradiction, that Muslims as citizens can vote, can stand for and be elected to public office, attend a house of learning, teach, enter any profession, assemble freely with whomever they choose, practice their religion freely, receive protection of the law, can move freely around this nation without restrictions, are not subject to arbitrary arrest and incarceration, are not considered enemies of the State fit only for labour or extermination (etc), can marry the person of their choice (if permitted to do so).....

The Jews had NONE of those rights and privileges under Nazism...

Kindly do not equate the position of Islamites currently in this nation with that of the Jews in Europe under the Nazi regime... or any Aboriginal group of the past....

As for the Aboriginals - that also is past.. nobody has purged Aborigines from society for many decades now.. Aborigines given the chance marry Whites - look at Johnathon Thurston and Sam Thiday - the blonde gorgie wife and kids... and those who wish to avail themselves of it have the opportunity for free tertiary education, unlike mainstream Australia.

In all the affected groups you discuss - their main problems stem from themselves and their own attitudes and behaviours.... not from mainstream Australia, which, put simply, does not one thing to them.

Maybe they need to get on board with mainstream Australia.... for every one of them that has missed out on an opportunity, there are ten mainstream Australians or more.... for every incident of abuse hurled from a car at a Muslim, there are ten hurled at whites from cars by passing Muslims.... get ye down to Bankistan and see for yourself.

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #177 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:04pm

Term Dog wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 7:58pm:

Yeah the spin is they were ripped by soulless, satanic slave traders right from the loving arms of their parents while living beautiful, prosperous, heathy, successful lives.

The reality they were rescued from a short, brutal life of hopelessness, squalor, poverty, disease and abuse.

Living with the Trumps?

Undecided

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Re: 423 new mosques, 100 Shariah courts
Reply #178 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:04pm:

Term Dog wrote on Oct 24^th, 2018 at 7:58pm:

Yeah the spin is they were ripped by soulless, satanic slave traders right from the loving arms of their parents while living beautiful, prosperous, heathy, successful lives.

The reality they were rescued from a short, brutal life of hopelessness, squalor, poverty, disease and abuse.

Living with the Trumps?

Undecided

Ah yes, when all else fails - lay down the Trump card.....

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Reply #179 - Oct 24^th, 2018 at 8:47pm

"Living with the Trump's?" actually no. I lived half way between Kowanyama and Arakun missions for my teenage years. I think I know more about indigenous issues than all white upper middle class, private school leftists that only know anything about Aboriginals from the comfort of an inner city coffee shop. FFS, how many urban Aboriginals even know how to follow animal tracks..... I can taught by a guy called Paddy Yam in exchange for "learning him how to drive motor-car-truck" FFS.

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