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Reply #165 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:58am:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 8:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 9:08pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 9:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 6:45pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 2:20pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 11:40am:
Frank wrote on Jan 1st, 2019 at 10:48am:
Although the total number of jihadist terrorist attacks decreased from 17 in 2015 to 13 attacks in 2016, of which 6 were linked to the so-called Islamic State (IS), 135 of the 142 victims of terrorist attacks in 2016 were killed in the 13 jihadist attacks.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-...

135 of the 142 dead were killed by jihadists and you cockwombles keep insisting that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the report by parrotting an irrelevant statistics merely to deflect attention from the scale of these murders for Allah.


I am unsure who you're talking to, Soren?  I have made no such claims.  I have merely defended Greg from what appears, on the surface, to be unwarranted attacks against the EuroPol statistics.  Until you address the reality that more non-Jihadist attacks occurred than Jihadist attacks, you're just whistling dixie, Soren.  A not unusual situation for you, as we all know but still the truth of what you're doing...   Roll Eyes


As the report shows, jihad is by far the most deadly terrorist threat, dwarfing all others put together by an immense margin. That's  not islamophobia or whistling dixie, cockwomble, thats reality - the thing you have been unmoored from for far too long.


It may be the more deadly threat BUT and it is a big BUT, Soren, it happens less often - which is the point that Greg has made, using the EuroPol statistics.  You appear unwilling to accept or recognise that Greg is arguing frequency, not deadliness.  You really are being quite foolish, as are all the Islamophobes.   Such silly billies.   Roll Eyes



Mass murder happens much less often than posting incitement to terrorism, wankpuffin, but it is much more serious and its consequences are actually deadly. That is why everyone, from Europol to Interpol and ASIO and all the rest regard Islamic jihad a much, much more serious concern than Paddy muttering darkly into his Guinness somewhere in the bowels of Ireland or a Kurd plotting against some Turk or a hirsute Greek drinking too much ouzo and not shaving for three days.

To grimace and gesticulate about numbers without paying attention to consequences of actions is the usual wanky idiocy that you and your alter ego, Turdy McNobsocket perpetrate on the innocent public here at Ozpolitic every day. THAT IS your terrorism, militant faarkwittery.


You still refuse to accept reality, Soren.  Terrorism occurs most frequently in Europe when committed by non-Islamists.  It is indeed Paddy who commits the most Terrorist acts in Europe, not Mohammed.   Frequency - how often something occurs.  Get it yet?   Roll Eyes
Paddy? The last big bomb to go off was around 92  Brian. Get with the times.


From the 2018 Europol report:

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern
Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents."


Thoughts?




How many dead?


They never answer Frank. It scares them to answer. Typical spineless leftist apologists.


Don't they?  Unlike you, I prefer to sleep, Hammer.

My answer is contained here:  Terrorism in Great Britain: the statistics

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According to official data from 11 September 2001 to 31 March 2016,
there were 54 deaths in Great Britain as a direct result of terrorist acts
(excluding the perpetrators). 1

The Global Terrorism Database (at the University of Maryland) is
contracted by the US Department of State to collate statistical data and
information on terrorist events from around the world.

The chart below uses data from the GTD to show the number of deaths
due to terrorism in the UK from 1970 to 2016.

According to this data there were 3,262 victims of terrorism in the time
period shown. The majority of deaths between 1970 and 1990 were in
Northern Ireland (86%). There are two clear peaks in the number of
people killed: 1972, where 344 people were killed in Northern Ireland,
and 1988, where 271 people were killed in Scotland in the Lockerbie
bombing.

The general trend from around the 1980s is a decrease in the number
of people of killed due to terrorism.

[p.5, Terrorism in Great Britain: the statistics

I have yet to find out the numbers of recent deaths in Northern Ireland due to Terrorism but I am working on it.
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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #166 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:52am
 
Islamic jihad is the deadliest and most sifgnificant terrorist threat in Europe and around the world - but let's  focus on some obscure  stuff nobody knows about or has heard of and which bothers only obscure corners of obscure provinces.  Because talking about what is significant is actually 'Islamophobic' and 'insensitive' towards the jihadists' and their mums' feelings so it's verboten or bigoted or some such bollocks.


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Reply #167 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:55am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:52am:
Islamic jihad is the deadluest and most sifgnificant terrorist threat in Europe and around the world - but let's  focus on some obscure  stuff nobody knows about or has heard of and which bothers only obscure corners of obscure provinces.  Because talking about what is significant is actually 'Islamophobic' and 'insensitive' towards the jihadists' and their mums' feelings so it's verboten.



Islamic jihad only accounts for 16% of attacks in Europe.

Why are you ignoring trying to cover up the other 84% of attacks?


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Reply #168 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:57am
 
I have now discovered a newspaper report on deaths from Terrorism in the UK since 2001 and up to 2017.  It stated:

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• November 2001: Real IRA car bomb detonated in Birmingham by republican dissidents. No casualties.

• 7 July 2005: Four bombs carried by jihadi suicide bombers explode on tube trains and a bus in London, killing 56 people including the attackers.
Westminster attack: PC Keith Palmer named as police officer killed – as it happened
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• 21 July 2005: Four jihadi bombers fail to detonate their explosives on London transport system. No one hurt.

• June 2007: Two car bombs, packed with petrol, gas cylinders and nails, discovered in central London close to nightclubs in al-Qaida-inspired plot. The devices failed to ignite.

• June 2007: Several days later the same al-Qaida group drove a car into the glass doors of Glasgow airport. One of the attackers died and five people suffered minor injuries.

• May 2008: A Muslim convert tried to detonate a bomb in the toilet of a cafe in Exeter, injuring himself. No one else was hurt.

• March 2009: Two young soldiers shot dead by the Real IRA outside the Massereene Barracks in County Antrim. Two days later a PSNI officer was shot dead by Republican gunmen in Craigavon, Northern Ireland.

• April 2011: PSNI constable killed by a bomb planted under his car by dissident republicans in Omagh, Co Tyrone.

• May 2013: Fusilier Lee Rigby murdered by two Islamist extremists in Woolwich , south London.

• December 2015: Three people stabbed in Leytonstone tube station, east London, by an attacker shouting ”This is for Syria”.

• March 2016: Northern Ireland prison officer Adrian Ismay killed by a bomb planted under his car by republican dissidents. It exploded in east Belfast.

• June 2016: Labour MP Jo Cox shot dead in her Yorkshire constituency by a rightwing, white supremacist.

• 22 March 2017: Attack on Westminster leaves four dead and 20 injured.

[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/22/uk-terror-attacks-since-11-september-2001]Source[/url]

So, according to this report we have the following totals from 2001 to 2017 in the UK:

Deaths caused by Islamist Terrorism:                      57
Deaths caused by neo-Nazi Terrorism:                    1
Deaths caused by dissident Real-IRA Terrorism:      6

Without a doubt, Islamist Terrorists are more deadly however, as we have seen, their attacks are less frequent...    Roll Eyes
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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #169 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 12:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:55am:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:52am:
Islamic jihad is the deadluest and most sifgnificant terrorist threat in Europe and around the world - but let's  focus on some obscure  stuff nobody knows about or has heard of and which bothers only obscure corners of obscure provinces.  Because talking about what is significant is actually 'Islamophobic' and 'insensitive' towards the jihadists' and their mums' feelings so it's verboten.



Islamic jihad only accounts for 16% of attacks in Europe.

Why are you ignoring trying to cover up the other 84% of attacks?



Realising that Islamic jihad is the most significant and the deadliest is not 'covering up' anything, nobsocket. Having a Serious Crime Unit, for example,  is not 'covering up' other crimes, idiot son of Bwian.

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #170 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 12:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 12:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:55am:
Frank wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:52am:
Islamic jihad is the deadluest and most sifgnificant terrorist threat in Europe and around the world - but let's  focus on some obscure  stuff nobody knows about or has heard of and which bothers only obscure corners of obscure provinces.  Because talking about what is significant is actually 'Islamophobic' and 'insensitive' towards the jihadists' and their mums' feelings so it's verboten.



Islamic jihad only accounts for 16% of attacks in Europe.

Why are you ignoring trying to cover up the other 84% of attacks?



Realising that Islamic jihad is the most significant and the deadliest is not 'covering up' anything, nobsocket. Having a Serious Crime Unit, for example,  is not 'covering up' other crimes, idiot son of Bwian.



So, you acknowledge the fact that the vast majority of terrorist attacks in Europe have nothing to do with Jihadism, yeah?

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Reply #171 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:07pm
 
Greggy has no shame,
he even tried to make out that the Bourke street terrorist wasn't a terrorist:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1546325022/90#93


6 killed & 27 injured - many maimed for life.
The greatest terrorist apologist in Australia lives right here on Ozpolitic.
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Reply #172 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:09pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:07pm:
Greggy has no shame,
he even tried to make out that the Bourke street terrorist wasn't a terrorist:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1546325022/90#93


6 killed & 27 injured - many maimed for life.
The greatest terrorist apologist in Australia lives right here on Ozpolitic
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It wasn't terrorism, Booby.

You can't make up lies to support your (ridiculous) argument.

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Reply #173 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm
 
Greg will say just about anything to defend Islamic terrorism.
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Reply #174 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
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There aren't many people left who are still willing to defend Islam


In the first line you associate all Muslims with terrorism.

This is the part that reasonable people disagree with. Nobody is defending terrorists. Many support innocent non terrorists.
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Reply #175 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:07pm:
Greggy has no shame,
he even tried to make out that the Bourke street terrorist wasn't a terrorist:


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1546325022/90#93


6 killed & 27 injured - many maimed for life.
The greatest terrorist apologist in Australia lives right here on Ozpolitic.


"defending terrorists with misleading statistics"?

Nah.

What we have is Bobby defending mass murderers with lies.

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Reply #176 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
Greg will say just about anything to defend Islamic terrorism.



He tries to minimise the effects or trivialise it or
he says that it wasn't terrorism even if the terrorist
is a Muslim & yells out  allahu akbar.

He expects people to swallow his rubbish progressive stories.
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Reply #177 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
Greg will say just about anything to defend Islamic terrorism.



He tries to minimise the effects or trivialise it or
he says that it wasn't terrorism even if the terrorist
is a Muslim & yells out  allahu akbar.

He expects people to swallow his rubbish progressive stories.


Apologist for mass murderers.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes
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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #178 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:20pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 3:13pm:
Greg will say just about anything to defend Islamic terrorism.



He tries to minimise the effects or trivialise it or
he says that it wasn't terrorism even if the terrorist
is a Muslim & yells out  allahu akbar.

He expects people to swallow his rubbish progressive stories.


Apologist for mass murderers.

Tsk tsk   Roll Eyes




Apologist.

Stalin would have shot you in WW2
for saying nice things about the Germans.
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Reply #179 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 4:15pm
 
Heart attacks are a bigger killer than the common cold even though most people do not get a heart attack but almost everyone gets a cold a few times, some people even die of it, particularly if they have some other diseases or are old.

Is the recognition that heart disease is a greater killer a 'cover up' up of the vastly more numerous incidences of the common cold? Only if you are a cockwomble like Bwian and Turd Bwianovic.  Only then would you say, 'never mind the heart attacks, more people get the cold, let's focus on that. Focusing on heart disease is cholesterophobic and hypertensionophobic'.

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