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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #150 - Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:06pm:

Paddy? The last big bomb to go off was around 92 Brian. Get with the times.

Really? That is not was related to a written question to the British Parliament a few months ago, Hammer:

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Bomb Disposal: Northern Ireland:Written question - 179144
Q
Asked by Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) [N]
Asked on: 15 October 2018
Ministry of Defence
Bomb Disposal: Northern Ireland 179144
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, on how many occasions Army bomb disposal units were called out in Northern Ireland between (a) 1 July 2014 and 1 July 2016 and (b) 1 July 2016 and 1 July 2018.
A
Answered by: Mark Lancaster Answered on: 18 October 2018

Incidents requiring explosive ordnance disposal experts in Northern Ireland are dealt with solely by military personnel. Between 1 July 2014 to 1 January 2016, Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) personnel have responded to 567 incidents in Northern Ireland. For the period 1 July 2016 to 1 July 2018, EOD personnel have responded to 526 incidents in Northern Ireland.

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Seems there were 526 incidents in Northern Ireland. All quite a bit later than 1992. Roll Eyes

Are they classified as terrorist attacks. Did any go off? I thought the unionists and IRA were at war? Were these targeted attacks?

You do not call out the Military Bomb Disposal boys and girls for nothing, Hammer. They are called out because there is a suspicion that there is a bomb. Who uses bombs? Terrorists. Some may have been false alarms but in Northern Ireland, the British Army plays for real on all call outs. Roll Eyes

There's ceasefire in place Brian. Ceasefires are called during times of war. Factions in Northern Ireland were effectively at war. I'd be careful calling all of what happened (and is still happening) during the troubles as terrorism.

Ceasefires only apply to the signatories, Hammer. Splinter groups still commit Terrorism, despite the ceasefire. The major factions - the PIRA, the Unionists and so on, all agreed to a Ceasefire under the Good Friday Peace Agreement signed in 1998. Splinter groups have since then broken away from the major factions and are waging their own, independent "war". Roll Eyes

And most groups in Ireland target who they are attacking. Unionist leaders, IRA leaders, paramilitaries etc. Two little girls had their heads chopped off by a group of ugly jihadists the other week. These girls had no part in anything political. Now that's terrorism.

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #151 - Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:47pm:

So if a Iraqi soldier kills some ISIS cretin it's not a terrorist attack but if but if some IRA dude wastes a Unionist it's a terrorist attack? Huh

"Terrorism" is usually defined as the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims. An Iraqi soldier killing an ISIS Terrorist is undertaken by an instrument of the State to protect the civilian population of that State. An IRA Terrorist killing a Unionist is classified as a non-state actor committing murder for political ends.

This is old hat, Hammer. Since 2001 this has been thrashed out quite a lot. Please try and keep up... Roll Eyes

An IRA Terrorist killing a Unionist is classified as a non-state actor committing murder for political ends.
That's very debatable.

Debate it all you like. The PIRA was not a "state" and never has been a "state". It's members have (in theory) all agreed to abide by the Good Friday Peace Agreement and disarmed. There are breakaway groups though, that have not. Those are the ones committing the Terrorist acts in Northern Ireland.

All these unionist and IRA so called terrorists were put in their own prison (The Maze). They had good conditions and were eventually released. The reason being because they were not plain murderers. You must have studied up on the troubles Brian?

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #152 - Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:47pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:27pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:21pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 12:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 11:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:48am:

Although the total number of jihadist terrorist attacks decreased from 17 in 2015 to 13 attacks in 2016, of which 6 were linked to the so-called Islamic State (IS), 135 of the 142 victims of terrorist attacks in 2016 were killed in the 13 jihadist attacks.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-...

135 of the 142 dead were killed by jihadists and you cockwombles keep insisting that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the report by parrotting an irrelevant statistics merely to deflect attention from the scale of these murders for Allah.

I am unsure who you're talking to, Soren? I have made no such claims. I have merely defended Greg from what appears, on the surface, to be unwarranted attacks against the EuroPol statistics. Until you address the reality that more non-Jihadist attacks occurred than Jihadist attacks, you're just whistling dixie, Soren. A not unusual situation for you, as we all know but still the truth of what you're doing... Roll Eyes

As the report shows, jihad is by far the most deadly terrorist threat, dwarfing all others put together by an immense margin. That's not islamophobia or whistling dixie, cockwomble, thats reality - the thing you have been unmoored from for far too long.

135 of the 142 killed in terrorist attacks were a result of Islamic terrorists, muslims are about 5% of the population in Europe, the other 7 killed were a result of non muslims who make up the other 95% of the population in Europe.

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Muslims make up 4.9% of Europe’s population in 2016

http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/

In Pakistan which is 99% muslim how many die from terrorism in the land of the pure?
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Terrorism in Pakistan

Terrorism in Pakistan has become a major and highly destructive phenomenon in recent years. The annual death toll from terrorist attacks has risen from 164 in 2003 to 3318 in 2009,[1][2][3] with a total of 35,000 Pakistanis killed between 11 September 2001 and May 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Pakistan

It woulld be interesting to add up Islamic terrorist deaths from all the countries where Islam dominates the demographics, oh dearie dearie me it doesn't look good tsk tsk tsk Roll Eyes

At 5% of the population muslims have racked up 135 of the 142 dead bodies from terrorism.

Yes. Thats the only statistic in this conversation we should be concerned about. Why do you think Pecca and Brian consistently apologise for Islamic extremists?

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #153 - Jan 1^st, 2019 at 11:59pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:17pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 12:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 11:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:48am:

Although the total number of jihadist terrorist attacks decreased from 17 in 2015 to 13 attacks in 2016, of which 6 were linked to the so-called Islamic State (IS), 135 of the 142 victims of terrorist attacks in 2016 were killed in the 13 jihadist attacks.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-...

135 of the 142 dead were killed by jihadists and you cockwombles keep insisting that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the report by parrotting an irrelevant statistics merely to deflect attention from the scale of these murders for Allah.

I am unsure who you're talking to, Soren? I have made no such claims. I have merely defended Greg from what appears, on the surface, to be unwarranted attacks against the EuroPol statistics. Until you address the reality that more non-Jihadist attacks occurred than Jihadist attacks, you're just whistling dixie, Soren. A not unusual situation for you, as we all know but still the truth of what you're doing... Roll Eyes

As the report shows, jihad is by far the most deadly terrorist threat, dwarfing all others put together by an immense margin. That's not islamophobia or whistling dixie, cockwomble, thats reality - the thing you have been unmoored from for far too long.

It may be the more deadly threat BUT and it is a big BUT, Soren, it happens less often - which is the point that Greg has made, using the EuroPol statistics. You appear unwilling to accept or recognise that Greg is arguing frequency, not deadliness. You really are being quite foolish, as are all the Islamophobes. Such silly billies. Roll Eyes

Mass murder happens much less often than posting incitement to terrorism, wankpuffin, but it is much more serious and its consequences are actually deadly. That is why everyone, from Europol to Interpol and ASIO and all the rest regard Islamic jihad a much, much more serious concern than Paddy muttering darkly into his Guinness somewhere in the bowels of Ireland or a Kurd plotting against some Turk or a hirsute Greek drinking too much ouzo and not shaving for three days.

To grimace and gesticulate about numbers without paying attention to consequences of actions is the usual wanky idiocy that you and your alter ego, Turdy McNobsocket perpetrate on the innocent public here at Ozpolitic every day. THAT IS your terrorism, militant faarkwittery.

You still refuse to accept reality, Soren. Terrorism occurs most frequently in Europe when committed by non-Islamists. It is indeed Paddy who commits the most Terrorist acts in Europe, not Mohammed. Frequency - how often something occurs. Get it yet? Roll Eyes

Paddy? The last big bomb to go off was around 92 Brian. Get with the times.

Really? That is not was related to a written question to the British Parliament a few months ago, Hammer:

Quote:

Bomb Disposal: Northern Ireland:Written question - 179144
Q
Asked by Mr Gregory Campbell (East Londonderry) [N]
Asked on: 15 October 2018
Ministry of Defence
Bomb Disposal: Northern Ireland 179144
To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, on how many occasions Army bomb disposal units were called out in Northern Ireland between (a) 1 July 2014 and 1 July 2016 and (b) 1 July 2016 and 1 July 2018.
A
Answered by: Mark Lancaster Answered on: 18 October 2018

Incidents requiring explosive ordnance disposal experts in Northern Ireland are dealt with solely by military personnel. Between 1 July 2014 to 1 January 2016, Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) personnel have responded to 567 incidents in Northern Ireland. For the period 1 July 2016 personnel have responded to 526 incidents in Northern Ireland.

[Source]

Seems there were 526 incidents in Northern Ireland. All quite a bit later than 1992. Roll Eyes

Are they classified as terrorist attacks. Did any go off? I thought the unionists and IRA were at war? Were these targeted attacks?

Yes, they are classified as terrorist attacks.

You haven't even bothered to read the report, have you?

So if a Iraqi soldier kills some ISIS cretin it's not a terrorist attack but if but if some IRA dude wastes a Unionist it's a terrorist attack? Huh

We told you they'd be a nuisance once we started giving them an education, Greggery.

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #154 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:06pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 9:01pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 6:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 12:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 11:40am:

Frank wrote on Jan 1^st, 2019 at 10:48am:

Although the total number of jihadist terrorist attacks decreased from 17 in 2015 to 13 attacks in 2016, of which 6 were linked to the so-called Islamic State (IS), 135 of the 142 victims of terrorist attacks in 2016 were killed in the 13 jihadist attacks.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsroom/news/2017-eu-terrorism-report-142-failed-...

135 of the 142 dead were killed by jihadists and you cockwombles keep insisting that you are not deliberately misrepresenting the report by parrotting an irrelevant statistics merely to deflect attention from the scale of these murders for Allah.

I am unsure who you're talking to, Soren? I have made no such claims. I have merely defended Greg from what appears, on the surface, to be unwarranted attacks against the EuroPol statistics. Until you address the reality that more non-Jihadist attacks occurred than Jihadist attacks, you're just whistling dixie, Soren. A not unusual situation for you, as we all know but still the truth of what you're doing... Roll Eyes

As the report shows, jihad is by far the most deadly terrorist threat, dwarfing all others put together by an immense margin. That's not islamophobia or whistling dixie, cockwomble, thats reality - the thing you have been unmoored from for far too long.

It may be the more deadly threat BUT and it is a big BUT, Soren, it happens less often - which is the point that Greg has made, using the EuroPol statistics. You appear unwilling to accept or recognise that Greg is arguing frequency, not deadliness. You really are being quite foolish, as are all the Islamophobes. Such silly billies. Roll Eyes

Mass murder happens much less often than posting incitement to terrorism, wankpuffin, but it is much more serious and its consequences are actually deadly. That is why everyone, from Europol to Interpol and ASIO and all the rest regard Islamic jihad a much, much more serious concern than Paddy muttering darkly into his Guinness somewhere in the bowels of Ireland or a Kurd plotting against some Turk or a hirsute Greek drinking too much ouzo and not shaving for three days.

To grimace and gesticulate about numbers without paying attention to consequences of actions is the usual wanky idiocy that you and your alter ego, Turdy McNobsocket perpetrate on the innocent public here at Ozpolitic every day. THAT IS your terrorism, militant faarkwittery.

You still refuse to accept reality, Soren. Terrorism occurs most frequently in Europe when committed by non-Islamists. It is indeed Paddy who commits the most Terrorist acts in Europe, not Mohammed. Frequency - how often something occurs. Get it yet? Roll Eyes

Paddy? The last big bomb to go off was around 92 Brian. Get with the times.

From the 2018 Europol report:

"There were 88 security-related incidents in Northern
Ireland, of which 58 were shooting and
30 were bombing incidents."

Thoughts?

How many dead?

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Re: defending terrorists with misleading statistics
Reply #155 - Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:58am

Frank wrote on Jan 2^nd, 2019 at 8:51am: