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Coal Must Go To Save Great Barrier Reef
Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:31am
 
IPCC issues dire climate warning, says coal must go to save Great Barrier Reef   Shocked



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October 9 2018


Australia and the rest of the world must virtually eliminate the use of coal for electricity within 22 years if there is to be a chance to save even some of the Great Barrier Reef, the world's most authoritative climate science body has warned.   
Key points:

    Greenhouse gas pollution must reach zero by about 2050 to stop global warming at 1.5C, a report by the UN climate body warns
    At 1.5C coral reefs are expected to decline by a further 70 to 90 per cent, the report says
    Experts say coal power needs to drop to between 0 and 2 per cent of existing usage

In a report authored by more than 90 scientists, and pulling together thousands of pieces of climate research, the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said global emissions of greenhouse gas pollution must reach zero by about 2050 in order to stop global warming at 1.5 degrees Celsius.

At current rates, they said 1.5C would be breached as early as 2040, and 2C would be breached in the 2060s.

If that happens, temperatures over many land regions would increase by double that amount. And at 2C of warming, the authors warn the world would risk hitting "tipping points", setting a course towards uncontrollable temperatures.

With the world already 1C warmer than pre-industrial times, experts said this report, released by the IPCC in Incheon, Korea, was likely our final warning before it becomes impossible to keep warming at 1.5C.

"To limit temperature change to 1.5 degrees we have to strongly reduce carbon dioxide emissions," said report contributor Professor Mark Howden from ANU. "They have to decline about 45 per cent by 2030 and they have to reach zero by 2050.

"We're not on track. We're currently heading for about 3 degrees to 4 degrees of warming by 2100."
1.5C vs 2C: What's the difference?   

Coral reefs would be a particular casualty. They are expected to decline by a further 70 to 90 per cent even under 1.5C, but that rises to more than 99 per cent reef loss as temperature rises hit 2C.

In Australia, that means the vast majority of the Great Barrier Reef will undergo significant upheaval or collapse.   Sad

Combined with increased ocean acidification due to higher carbon dioxide concentrations, this is expected to heavily affect fish stocks and diversity.

Meanwhile on land, a rise of 2C would mean three times as much of the earth's terrestrial ecosystems would undergo transformations, compared to a rise of 1.5C, significantly increasing species extinctions.
Ice melts will become more frequent and intense
We'll see an ice-free Arctic every 10 years under 2 degrees of warming.


Then there are the rising waters. Modern humans have never seen an ice-free Arctic, but at 2C that would happen once a decade, compared to once a century at 1.5C.

A 2C rise would also mean an extra 10 centimetres of average sea-level rise by the end of the century, affecting an extra 10 million people.

And while some are inundated, a 2C rise would also double the number of people experiencing water scarcity.   Sad

We would be hit with more extreme hot weather events in every part of the world: more floods in most, and more drought in some.

Those extreme events would be "far worse" as temperature increases go beyond 1.5C, according to Will Steffen from ANU's Climate Change Institute.

"Loss of the Amazon forests, melting of the permafrost, loss of ice in West Antarctic and Greenland, they are much riskier at 2 degrees than they are at 1.5," Professor Steffen said.

"They could lead to a tipping cascade where the system will get hotter and hotter even if we bring our emissions down."
Coal use needs to drop to '0 to 2 per cent': expert

In 2015, almost every country agreed to stop global warming at "well below" 2C under the Paris Agreement, and to try to limit it to just 1.5C.

But 1.5C is a global average, which is dampened by ocean temperatures and doesn't represent regional extremes, according to report contributor Jatin Kala from Murdoch University.

"Even some world leaders seem to think that 1.5 degrees is a small number. 'Why do we care?'" Dr Kala said.

"Warming over the land is at a higher level of magnitude. We care because when the global average is 1.5 degrees warmer, that means that several regions of the world are warming at much higher magnitudes — they'll be a lot warmer than 1.5."
Coal fired power needs to be phased out, scientists say
Coal power needs to drop to below 2 per cent of current usage to keep the temperature rise to 1.5 degrees.


To limit warming to 1.5C, there needed to be "deep changes in all aspects of society", according to Professor Howden.

"It does actually require major transformations in many aspects of society and to do those transitions, the next 10 years is critical," he said.

"Electricity will have to be supplied by renewables on a global basis by the tune of about 70 to 85 per cent of electricity supply.

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Reply #1 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 12:54pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:31am:
With the world already 1C warmer than pre-industrial times, experts said this report, released by the IPCC in Incheon, Korea, was likely our final warning before it becomes impossible to keep warming at 1.5C.



And just yesterday they were claiming the whole amount was due to AGW. Whereas the IPCC TAR (Third Assessment Report, dated 2001) said "“most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations”.

Now using statistics they can wind back the whole lot to due to AGW since "pre-industrial times". Amazing. So before the industrial revolution man was affecting climate by...?

Burning coal? Because they had never done that before the industrial revolution?

Do they mean "pre-industrial times" as being in the depths of the LIA? And man caused that warming? I am sure if that were true people would be nothing but glad.

whiteknight wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:31am:
In Australia, that means the vast majority of the Great Barrier Reef will undergo significant upheaval or collapse.


Yes. Here they are talking average temperature. And according to CO2 theory nighttime temps will increase more than daytime temperature estimates. And of course the Northern Hemisphere is warming the fastest, especially polar regions. So that's where the extra heat is being generated.

And then magically global temperature estimates become SH temps which will affect the GBR.


whiteknight wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:31am:
Then there are the rising waters. Modern humans have never seen an ice-free Arctic, but at 2C that would happen once a decade, compared to once a century at 1.5C.


So what definition are they using for "modern humans"?

They sailed the Arctic without ice breakers in the 1870's. They sailed the Arctic in wooden boats in 1905 and 06.

They sailed the Arctic during the second World War.

"An "ice-free" Arctic Ocean is often defined as "having less than 1 million square kilometers of sea ice", because it is very difficult to melt the thick ice around the Canadian Arctic Archipelago."

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/07/10/1219716110.abstract

whiteknight wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:31am:
A 2C rise would also mean an extra 10 centimetres of average sea-level rise by the end of the century, affecting an extra 10 million people.



I assume that this is based on extrapolation of satellite observations. Topex, and the Jason series have an accuracy of 30mm. Somehow they can magically reduce that to about 3mm/year.

Again SLR has been rising since the last Ice Age. But that is "pre-industrial" as well. Wink
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Reply #2 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:21pm
 
You don't need a science degree to get the idea that burning stored energy from the Sun that took millions of years to lay down - e.g. Coal ... in only a couple of centuries is going to throw things out of balance.

It ain't rocket science.  Smiley
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Reply #3 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:33pm
 
Meanwhile has any body looked at the actual SR15 report?

Title -
"Global Warming of 1.5 °C
an IPCC special report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels and related global greenhouse gas emission pathways, in the context of strengthening the global response to the threat of climate change, sustainable development, and efforts to eradicate poverty"      

Now having asserted many implications for warming of both 1.5C and 2C above "pre-industrial" levels, let's have a look.

The IPCC says it doesn't do predictions (anymore) but projections.

One wonders what climate models were used to envisage these dire threats. Have they gotten better or worse?

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Fig. 1.  Global (70S to 80N) Mean TLT Anomaly plotted as a function of time.  The black line is the time series for the  RSS V4.0 MSU/AMSU atmosperhic temperature dataset.  The yellow band is the 5% to 95% range of output from CMIP-5 climate simulations.  The mean value of each time series average from 1979-1984 is set to zero so the changes over time can be more easily seen.  Note that after 1998, the observations are likely to be in the lower part of the model distribution, indicating that there is a small discrepancy between the model predictions and the satelllite observations.(All time series have been smoothed to remove variabilty on time scales shorter than 6 months.)

It seems the climate models are getting worse. Is that a surprise?

" The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible."

https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/501.htm

And yet they have now managed to make these long term predictions.

Does that mean the the climate system is no longer "a coupled non-linear chaotic system"?

Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 1:21pm:
It ain't rocket science.



That's not even "Climate Science"tm. Wink
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Reply #4 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:54pm
 
Seems that the graph you posted is on a positive trend and rising?

When it goes negative ... give us a shout eh?

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Reply #5 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:13pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 2:54pm:
Seems that the graph you posted is on a positive trend and rising?

When it goes negative ... give us a shout eh?



Now all you have to do is show it is all due to CO2. That's what the IPCC now says.

That here is no natural variability at all.

But I thought you weren't going to engage. Wink
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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
BTW - Did you notice the annotation? It reads in part "Global (70S to 80N) Mean TLT Anomaly plotted as a function of time. "

Not even Global temperature but a subset. Unless of course global now means something less. Who knows with climate science?
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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:30pm
 
Yes, well having a CO2 concentration higher than at any time over the last 800 thousand odd years could be something to consider eh?

But you're right ... arguing about this is indeed pointless.

Thanks for the reminder.  Smiley
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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Oct 10th, 2018 at 3:30pm:
Yes, well having a CO2 concentration higher than at any time over the last 800 thousand odd years could be something to consider eh?



That's only according to the ice core data which has its own problems. CO2 LAGS temperature, CO2 in the firn.

You do understand what happens with data when it is compressed to fit a tight page format? The data is lost.

800,000 years of data compression?

Also you ignore the plant stomata data which shows more variability in CO2 concentrations than ice core data.



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