As this planet starts to cook and the runaway effect kicks in the atmosphere wont last long, we are doomed unless WA gets onboard.

I personally think we have already gone past the tipping point and humans will not last another thousand years.

u forgot to mention that mars is a lot further from the sun Lee..... how could u forget that !!!!!

you will have to ask xeej…. im only picking on u for totally missing his point

My inferred point was that Earth will be as unlivable as Mars before to long.

Didn't Mars have an atmosphere once'

Spewing crap into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuel for the last 200yrs has probably already set us up for destruction, the effects are already being seen, even the ocean levels are rising, maybe that's because of all the crap we are spewing into them as well.

I wonder if its safe to go out in Beijing without a mask today.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/09/27/1st-year-income-from-tesla-battery-in-south...

Lots of opponents of battery storage for electricity that has been generated by wind, solar, and other renewables like to focus on how much those systems cost. Take the Hornsdale battery installed by Tesla last year in South Australia. It cost $66 million, and to hear some folks in Australia tell it, that money will place a huge burden on local utility customers forever. They conveniently forget to mention that the battery is a source of income to Neoen, the French company that owns it and the adjacent wind farm.
According to The Guardian, Neoen will recover more than one third of the $66 million cost of the Hornsdale battery in its first year of operation. A return on investment of three years is remarkable and something that should make other utility companies sit up and take notice. The payback time for most of their generating plants and infrastructure is usually measured in decades, not a few years.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/27/south-australias-tesla-batter...

SO this has stabilized the grid in SA and has been making lots of money.

If it keeps making that money in its 10 year life it will make 230million , and also 233% profit on cost, not really a tombstone.
There was so much crap about it being useless a year ago and turns out its profitable and very helpful to SA's grid

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 7:37pm:



perhaps you have heard of "causal" mechanism? you know something that causes something else to happen.

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 7:37pm:


I am for renewables small scale. They are too intermittent for large scale..

Ah. I see you don't like data, but prefer gut feel. I prefer data and that supports my view  that the planet is not in trouble.

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 4:36pm:



If that is the point perhaps you can refer us to a causal mechanism.

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 4:36pm:



"Mars may have once possessed an atmosphere about as thick as Earth's, but then lost most of it to space due to solar wind and ultraviolet rays, a new study found."

https://www.space.com/36277-mars-thick-atmosphere-lost-in-space.html

Solar wind? Ultraviolet rays? Doesn't say anything about a future earth. And only "may have".

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 4:36pm:



You do know oceans have been rising since the last Ice Age. Satellite snapshots of SLR are not really good. TOPIX, and the Jason series of satellites had an accuracy of more than 32mm. yet somehow they can infer an SLR of 3mm?

Johnnie wrote on Oct 1^st, 2018 at 4:36pm:


And yet China gets a free pass to contribute to CO2 levels until 2030 at least.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2018 at 7:35am:



I'm putting your worst fears into context petal.