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Reply #30 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 9:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 4:35pm:
A lasting calmness came over me when I discovered the Feast and Famine Variable back in the late 1970s. Before that, I wasn't sure what to think about society and religion

The Variable is the beginning mechanism of our minds. It's much like alternating current, constantly switching from feast (+) to famine (-)  Life is not possible if it was only one or the other

At the same time I discovered the Cyclical Moods and Emotions cycle in our subconscious minds


Knowledge of these are what settled me down and made me realize that many problems, arguments and accidents could be averted if we accept the fact that famine is necessary in order to go into feast, and when we are in feast, inevitably famine will came around again

The important thing to remember is that in the Feast and Famine Variable, feast and famine are in constant flow and are linked together, they can not be separated, just as the + and - in alternating current can't be separated

So how do I make this work in my life, to be of benefit? Well, it's a matter of balancing out the feast and famine ... because the feast and famine is balanced in the Variable, I reject "lust" for anything. I reject "excess", I reject expediency and extremist attitudes. I reject any view that we can always be in feast, we can't and we might as well accept that right now. I except that I must make reasonable sacrifices now and then

In the pursuit of happiness, I'm reluctant to copy what others do. I access what famine I'm in first and if that famine is more than what it should be, I then make an effort to fill some of that famine with feast, returning back to balance. My mind is peaceful when I maintain that balance


I think you have discovered the reason why rich white people who have everything are constantly bleating about how tough it is.



That's correct FD, but not just rich white people. Any rich person, or any poorer person, are those we should be talking about, in fact any person at all. All of us are capable of complaining how tough life is at times

Famine is a scary word, but it needn't be, it's just one side of the equation, and it should be treated equally and just as importantly as feast. Just as much thought needs to be expended identifying and thinking about the famine in your life, as the thought that goes into how you can get into feast. The type of excess famine you're in will determine the type of feast you need to balance things out again. So, just going out and buying the latest iPhone may not suppress the famine in your mind, when what you really need urgently is a new pair of shoes - identify famine, make a list, and prioritize the famine

In essence understanding this revelation can lead to a peaceful and balanced mind, even if it's not strictly practiced, just the knowledge of it can instill calmness and clearer thinking

I'm starting to sound like a guru but that's not my intention. My point is that I still live a life not much different to anyone else but with a greater understanding of the mind brought about by the discovery of the Variable. I found it by working backwards through the mind, starting by assessing the feast and famine bias in written conversations and impartial articles, then charting those biases on paper and after months of doing this, both feast and famine appeared in very nearly equal amounts. I did this numerous times over the years and the charts were always the same, equal amounts of feast and famine. I had no other option but to conclude that that deep part of the mind works like this and that our words and actions are predominately influenced by it





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Reply #31 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:08pm
 
Is this a book you read, or something you came up with yourself?

It reminds me of the penultimate chapter of the Harari book I just read. He points out that there is no biological benefit to being happy all the time. The hormones or whatever that control our emotional state naturally return to neutral even if the external influence that caused happiness is still present. I don't think he went so far as to say it must be balanced by unhappiness, but that might be splitting hairs.

Tolle prefers to use terms like "at peace" than happiness as the benefit of his philosophy.
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Reply #32 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:14pm
 
No Religion or 'Fashion' (Spirituality) ...or even 'Science' can accomplish constant 'happiness', enlightenment, etc.

We are ruled by the natural world and all have our 'Tides', high and low. We are bound to this world in ways Science or Religion can never know.

Personally, getting 'narked' below 40m deep in the sea kinda gives me more of a 'rapture' than any of the above mentioned can.  Cheesy
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Reply #33 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:40pm
 


I read the OP.....

The description of ideas in 'The Power of Now'      sound similar to what was in a book that i read a few decades ago.


Sounds similar to Handbook to Higher Consciousness            by Ken Keyes, JR


the two principle ideas that stuck with me from reading that book.....
1/ Live in the here and now.   [....don't focus on past mistakes/regrets, and try not to focus on what may happen tomorrow]
and....
2/ If there is some circumstance which we see as a problem [in our life], our best path forward is....
....to seek to change what we can change,  and to accept what we are unable to change.

I found it to be an interesting and helpful book.


I am not familiar with the content of.....  The Power of Now


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #34 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:09pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:14pm:
No Religion or 'Fashion' (Spirituality) ...or even 'Science' can accomplish constant 'happiness', enlightenment, etc.

We are ruled by the natural world and all have our 'Tides', high and low. We are bound to this world in ways Science or Religion can never know.

Personally, getting 'narked' below 40m deep in the sea kinda gives me more of a 'rapture' than any of the above mentioned can.  Cheesy


I don't think science is trying to give you the feeling of nitrogen narcosis, that's religions job. Just remember, one day you may never return to reality(or the land of the living) from your "trip". Perhaps that explains the 100 monkeys dancing on your keyboard...
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Reply #35 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 11:10pm
 


Do things right.

Do, what is right.

Then change will happen.


Self respect.




an inspiring YT......

The One Thing Only 1% of People Do | TRY IT FOR 21 DAYS and Success Will Come!

7 min
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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1402138274/17#17
Quote:

The two most important characteristics which define the personality of a person [imo];
1/ are we honest ?
2/ are we reliable ?                    ....[e.g. if we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?]

More than that, is superfluous, imo.




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Reply #36 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 1:06am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:08pm:
Is this a book you read, or something you came up with yourself?

It reminds me of the penultimate chapter of the Harari book I just read. He points out that there is no biological benefit to being happy all the time. The hormones or whatever that control our emotional state naturally return to neutral even if the external influence that caused happiness is still present. I don't think he went so far as to say it must be balanced by unhappiness, but that might be splitting hairs.

Tolle prefers to use terms like "at peace" than happiness as the benefit of his philosophy.



That's basically what I found. In the charts I did, which were plot lines, there was "halfway" points as the plot line went through the cycles. On one side was Feast and the other side was Famine, but the plot line in every cycle would reach no-mans land, neither feast nor famine, and that's only natural because any type of sine wave always has a center line indicating the mid way point. I agree with that guy whoever he is. I tracked my emotional states while I was plotting the cycles and there were parts of the cycle where I naturally felt mild depression and other parts where I felt like I wanted to get right out of my chair and enthusiastically get some work done. Those feelings were consistent in every cycle and in the same parts of the cycles

It wasn't something I just came up with, I've explained already that it was a discovery I made. I was researching left and right thinking, why is there left and right? It turns out that left and right originates from the Feast and Famine Variable. Biologically some people are right and some people are left. You can see in our parliaments, a balance between left and right is fought over every day they sit. Whoever wins on any given day will be happy, the losers will be unhappy. One is in feast, one is in famine, and that's the very formula I used to find the Variable

What the left and right politicians are really doing is replicating the Variable albeit in a crude manner. They just don't know they're doing that. If they knew how the Feast and Famine Variable in their minds really worked, they wouldn't be shouting at each other. I don't shout at myself or anyone else if I'm in famine, I think rationally and calmly to find a way out of it, and I always find a way if it's important enough

That said, an Opposition knows sooner or later they will gain government, and the government at the time knows it will sit in opposition sometimes. Well, this also originates from the Feast and Famine Variable deep in the human mind. However, and this is important, the Variable can change slightly, it's a variable and we'd all be dead if it didn't change, so any attempt to keep the Variable static by not willingly allowing for change can have catastrophic consequences

I contend that the willingness to change is paramount because our natural cycles will leave us behind if we don't ... and then we must go through hell and turmoil to catch up. Who wants hell and turmoil?
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Reply #37 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:13am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 1:06am:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:08pm:
Is this a book you read, or something you came up with yourself?

It reminds me of the penultimate chapter of the Harari book I just read. He points out that there is no biological benefit to being happy all the time. The hormones or whatever that control our emotional state naturally return to neutral even if the external influence that caused happiness is still present. I don't think he went so far as to say it must be balanced by unhappiness, but that might be splitting hairs.

Tolle prefers to use terms like "at peace" than happiness as the benefit of his philosophy.



That's basically what I found. In the charts I did, which were plot lines, there was "halfway" points as the plot line went through the cycles. On one side was Feast and the other side was Famine, but the plot line in every cycle would reach no-mans land, neither feast nor famine, and that's only natural because any type of sine wave always has a center line indicating the mid way point. I agree with that guy whoever he is. I tracked my emotional states while I was plotting the cycles and there were parts of the cycle where I naturally felt mild depression and other parts where I felt like I wanted to get right out of my chair and enthusiastically get some work done. Those feelings were consistent in every cycle and in the same parts of the cycles

It wasn't something I just came up with, I've explained already that it was a discovery I made. I was researching left and right thinking, why is there left and right? It turns out that left and right originates from the Feast and Famine Variable. Biologically some people are right and some people are left. You can see in our parliaments, a balance between left and right is fought over every day they sit. Whoever wins on any given day will be happy, the losers will be unhappy. One is in feast, one is in famine, and that's the very formula I used to find the Variable

What the left and right politicians are really doing is replicating the Variable albeit in a crude manner. They just don't know they're doing that. If they knew how the Feast and Famine Variable in their minds really worked, they wouldn't be shouting at each other. I don't shout at myself or anyone else if I'm in famine, I think rationally and calmly to find a way out of it, and I always find a way if it's important enough

That said, an Opposition knows sooner or later they will gain government, and the government at the time knows it will sit in opposition sometimes. Well, this also originates from the Feast and Famine Variable deep in the human mind. However, and this is important, the Variable can change slightly, it's a variable and we'd all be dead if it didn't change, so any attempt to keep the Variable static by not willingly allowing for change can have catastrophic consequences

I contend that the willingness to change is paramount because our natural cycles will leave us behind if we don't ... and then we must go through hell and turmoil to catch up. Who wants hell and turmoil?



quite interesting.

similar to the order and chaos symbolism of the Dow  (the ying yang).

happiness is often sought through "stimulation" but that has a "diminishing return".
its probably better to be "engaged" then "stimulated".

Carl Jung said that certain activities will be "meaningful" to certain people and when you find an intimation of meaning you should pursue that , because thats where personal growth will come from.

so you are naturally drawn to pursue things which will expand you.
indeed, doing new things , has been proven to turn on new genes and encode new proteins.

this may be the reason for the mythological idea of going on a pilgrimage.
because it expands you. it literally does make you more then you were before.

But if we look at someone going on an exciting adventure, maybe take Cook on the Endeavour as an example. then would we really want Cook to be just happy all the time.
would we be expecting him to be happy when he hit the reef.

obviously not.

what we would expect is that he would be making "order from the chaos" and this seems to be where maximum engagement comes from.

it would make me very bored to just ride a safe horse every day.
but riding a chaotic horse and making it into a safe horse is making order from chaos.
and i find that meaningful. (and engaging), happiness doesnt really come into it
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Reply #38 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 8:35am
 
Bias, so basically you plotted your self-evaluated emotional state over time?

Was there one or more typical frequencies/rates at which it went back and forth?

The way you use the term "Feast and Famine Variable" makes it sound like a book or established (by more than one person) principle. I thought you meant literal famines at first. Have you published it anywhere? You should plot your results and explain your interpretation - I think you'd get a lot of interest.
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Reply #39 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:18am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:08pm:
Is this a book you read, or something you came up with yourself?

It reminds me of the penultimate chapter of the Harari book I just read. He points out that there is no biological benefit to being happy all the time. The hormones or whatever that control our emotional state naturally return to neutral even if the external influence that caused happiness is still present. I don't think he went so far as to say it must be balanced by unhappiness, but that might be splitting hairs.

Tolle prefers to use terms like "at peace" than happiness as the benefit of his philosophy.


Indeed. As does the Muselman.
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Reply #40 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:43am
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:13am:
But if we look at someone going on an exciting adventure, maybe take Cook on the Endeavour as an example. then would we really want Cook to be just happy all the time.
would we be expecting him to be happy when he hit the reef.



Would Cook have contemplated or dwelt on whether he was unhappy or not, he had no time - but he certainly would have known he was in a sort of famine when he hit the reef. He needed to get back into feast again and he did that by using the canvas sheet to temporarily block the hole to prevent any more water getting in

Did he panic, did he flog the crew, put them on half rations? no, he remained cool, had the ship repaired and sailed on. An understanding and compassionate alpha male who inadvertently and unknowingly was complying with the feast and famine variable - get it back into balance as soon as possible, with the crew helping him out

With happiness, there must be unhappiness to gauge how happy we really are. That's why we'd rather watch a movie about Captain Bligh than one about Captain Cook


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Reply #41 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 11:18am:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:08pm:
Is this a book you read, or something you came up with yourself?

It reminds me of the penultimate chapter of the Harari book I just read. He points out that there is no biological benefit to being happy all the time. The hormones or whatever that control our emotional state naturally return to neutral even if the external influence that caused happiness is still present. I don't think he went so far as to say it must be balanced by unhappiness, but that might be splitting hairs.

Tolle prefers to use terms like "at peace" than happiness as the benefit of his philosophy.


Indeed. As does the Muselman.


When they use the term they mean they have run out of infidels to slaughter.
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Reply #42 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 1:17pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2018 at 8:35am:
Bias, so basically you plotted your self-evaluated emotional state over time?

Was there one or more typical frequencies/rates at which it went back and forth?

The way you use the term "Feast and Famine Variable" makes it sound like a book or established (by more than one person) principle. I thought you meant literal famines at first. Have you published it anywhere? You should plot your results and explain your interpretation - I think you'd get a lot of interest.


The plotting of my emotional states was incidental to the plotting of the Variable, and yes I did notice over time that the emotional states were the same on certain parts of the Variables plot line in every cycle. It took some time though before I noticed what was happening. The Variable doubles as the "weather" of the human mind as well

There are natural forces in the mind that are inevitable and hidden from view, but I've cracked the code and they're not hidden anymore. The only thing I'm struggling to work out is how the Variable applies itself to the "thinking" mind, but it's obviously connected to and influences the thinking mind because I found the Variable by working back through the thinking mind, and eventually arriving at the mind's basic driver, the Variable

The Variable is only one frequency, and it's not like a semi circular sine wave, it plotted as straight lines, it went down for a while then crossed over to the other side, then went down, crossed back again and so on

I'll publish it when I learn how to set up a web site, I've never done that before, but when I do, I'll fully explain it all. It's a very useful tool once it's plotted
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What is the "Variable" a measure of?
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Reply #44 - Aug 24th, 2018 at 6:50pm
 
America is the Dreamer

And soon (once Politics folds here), Australia will be the Dream.

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