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Re: The Power of Now
Reply #15 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:12pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 10:00am:
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 8:30am:
The duck example is in the book somewhere. I'd like to know how he knows the ducks have forgotten about the fight, or that they are no longer stressed.

This is the path, not the direction, and Tolle does not give any advice on direction. He does devote significant time to explaining how his philosophy does not lead to fatalism and preclude motivation to change. He even argues that his philosophy will make you more likely to achieve the change you want. He makes a sound argument, but history does not necessarily support his claims.

Yuval Harari (who presents Tolle's ideas almost word for word, but attributes them to Buddhism) argues that all the"advances" in human history actually left people worse off than their ancestors, until very recently at least. This is both in terms of happiness as well as more objective measures such as health and workload.



i didnt mind the Power of Now.
his book A New Earth was quite biblical.

i think you have to be very wary when going down the 'spirituality " route that you arent using it as an excuse to put your feet up.

the world is harsh as f**ck.
the world is as unfair as f**ck.

to stay motivated and passionate is damm near impossible.

the advertisers sell this BS about the "golden years of retirement".
the welfare addicts see the DSP as the "big prize".
its tragic.

if you arent very careful, you can use spirituality as an excuse to sit on your arse and not get out there and enjoy the harsh reality of the game.
thats what i see when i see some pot smoking spiritual guy who thinks he is superior to a Wall Street stockbroker because he doesnt need all that cash.
i see a guy who is using spirituality to justify the fact that he was too gutless and too lazy to get in the ring and compete .
i cant see 'the call to adventure" in the ekhardts books.
yet, the bible constantly tells useless individuals to get off their ass and move out...moses, abraham,jonah, isaac...all were told to go on adventure , not sit on their ass and navel gaze  Wink


Yes. You are absolutely right there Aquascoot.
But thankfully, the 'Ferals' here in Australia who live a more 'southern' lifestyle than those northern 'Hippies' tend to base their 'fashionable' spirituality of wearing dreadlocks  upon getting a uni degree or trade and enjoying the occasional beer rather than smoking a joint and wearing arty-farty fashions to think themselves 'Spiritually' superior because the pot subdues them like Ritalin does to a fatherless ADHD kid.

Most of the great philosophical works of the 'near' past are deeply flawed, especially when the writers themselves were flawed examples of existence. But hey, since the advent of the USA, the World seems to have 'fallen' back into the past and until Australia is 'officialised', the 'equilibrium' will continue to be flawed.

btw - shouldn't this Thread be flushed to Philosophy? Huh
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Reply #16 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:20pm
 
The enlightenment trip in the West is tangled up in Orientalism. It has to be more spiritual, if comes from a different culture. Here is an interesting article Zen Buddhist enlightened ones and their Nazi sympathies. Suzuki and Haku'un.

https://apjjf.org/2014/12/3/Brian-Victoria/4063/article.html

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Reply #17 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:39pm
 
To be honest. I'm a Buddhist.

BUT

I'm a 'Southern Hemisphere' Buddhist of Australia (region: Sahul) and so my (our) ways are different to the cliché Northern Hemisphere ways of the Buddhists there.

For one thing. We are not 'Pacificists' and we have long flowing 'Fabio-like' gorgeous hair. In fact, us 'Southern Buddhists' are completely 'opposite' to the 'Northern Buddhists'.

It's a basic rule of thumb. You live in Australia (the Now) as Australian (Buddhist), not as an Asian (Buddhist) ...the 'past'.

We go by the knowledge that the Northern Hemisphere may be 'up there' in the Penthouse. But we 'down under' here are actually 'First in Line' (the Future).
So Heaven might be Heaven, but its back there in the Past.
Hell might be down here in Hell, but it is the Future.
Because the Glory days of Old where life was mentally 'simpler' for want of physically harder,
is now the days of Tomorrow are being faced for being Mentally 'complex' for want of machines making life in the future physically easier.
...hence why 'Mental' disorders and discord and people on welfare because of Mental Health etc are increasing here in Australia.

In the Old Days, being 'mentally' superior was what was needed to rise above the mass 'primitive' societies. Mental Knowledge was Power.
But now, in the New Days (and New Worlds) - such information overload is for the weak and the unempowered. It's those that attain 'Physical Health' and empowerment that are rising above the mass.

So, here in the NOW of Australia ...its best not to 'think' like a Northern Hemisphere cliché Buddhist and Zen, etc.

Wink

Here in Australia ...its better to 'reign' in Hell, rather than 'serve' (down under) in Heaven.  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Re: The Power of Now
Reply #18 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:52pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:39pm:
To be honest. I'm a Buddhist.

BUT

I'm a 'Southern Hemisphere' Buddhist of Australia (region: Sahul) and so my (our) ways are different to the cliché Northern Hemisphere ways of the Buddhists there.

For one thing. We are not 'Pacificists' and we have long flowing 'Fabio-like' gorgeous hair. In fact, us 'Southern Buddhists' are completely 'opposite' to the 'Northern Buddhists'.

It's a basic rule of thumb. You live in Australia (the Now) as Australian (Buddhist), not as an Asian (Buddhist) ...the 'past'.

We go by the knowledge that the Northern Hemisphere may be 'up there' in the Penthouse. But we 'down under' here are actually 'First in Line' (the Future).
So Heaven might be Heaven, but its back there in the Past.
Hell might be down here in Hell, but it is the Future.
Because the Glory days of Old where life was mentally 'simpler' for want of physically harder,
is now the days of Tomorrow are being faced for being Mentally 'complex' for want of machines making life in the future physically easier.
...hence why 'Mental' disorders and discord and people on welfare because of Mental Health etc are increasing here in Australia.

In the Old Days, being 'mentally' superior was what was needed to rise above the mass 'primitive' societies. Mental Knowledge was Power.
But now, in the New Days (and New Worlds) - such information overload is for the weak and the unempowered. It's those that attain 'Physical Health' and empowerment that are rising above the mass.

So, here in the NOW of Australia ...its best not to 'think' like a Northern Hemisphere cliché Buddhist and Zen, etc.

Wink

Here in Australia ...its better to 'reign' in Hell, rather than 'serve' (down under) in Heaven.  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink


Buddhist huh? Why not invent your own philosophy? That's what Buddha did.
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Re: The Power of Now
Reply #19 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:31pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 8:01am:
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This is the only message worth repeating or discussing


Karnal why have you not been repeating or discussing it?

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 10:42pm:
I read it but it didn't make me feel any better.


Why? Were you already 'mindful'?

Do you think he is correct?

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and yet more claims that there are levels of perception


Not really, unless you think the ability to pay attention to your own thoughts and emotions is somehow special.

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There is no proof that Buddhists are happier than anyone else.


I am pretty sure the book does not claim there is. In fact I think Tolle puts more effort into linking it with Christianity, but this might be more about his target audience. He claims that many Buddhist sects have effectively abandoned this wisdom.


This is a site about race and sustainability, FD. Islamic criticism versus spineless apologism.

Meditation is homework. One doesn't disclose one's insights, show off or preach. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
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Reply #20 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:34pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 12:39pm:
To be honest. I'm a Buddhist.

BUT

I'm a 'Southern Hemisphere' Buddhist of Australia (region: Sahul) and so my (our) ways are different to the cliché Northern Hemisphere ways of the Buddhists there.

For one thing. We are not 'Pacificists' and we have long flowing 'Fabio-like' gorgeous hair. In fact, us 'Southern Buddhists' are completely 'opposite' to the 'Northern Buddhists'.

It's a basic rule of thumb. You live in Australia (the Now) as Australian (Buddhist), not as an Asian (Buddhist) ...the 'past'.

We go by the knowledge that the Northern Hemisphere may be 'up there' in the Penthouse. But we 'down under' here are actually 'First in Line' (the Future).
So Heaven might be Heaven, but its back there in the Past.
Hell might be down here in Hell, but it is the Future.
Because the Glory days of Old where life was mentally 'simpler' for want of physically harder,
is now the days of Tomorrow are being faced for being Mentally 'complex' for want of machines making life in the future physically easier.
...hence why 'Mental' disorders and discord and people on welfare because of Mental Health etc are increasing here in Australia.

In the Old Days, being 'mentally' superior was what was needed to rise above the mass 'primitive' societies. Mental Knowledge was Power.
But now, in the New Days (and New Worlds) - such information overload is for the weak and the unempowered. It's those that attain 'Physical Health' and empowerment that are rising above the mass.

So, here in the NOW of Australia ...its best not to 'think' like a Northern Hemisphere cliché Buddhist and Zen, etc.

Wink

Here in Australia ...its better to 'reign' in Hell, rather than 'serve' (down under) in Heaven.  Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink


Very true, JaSin.
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Reply #21 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:35pm
 
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...of the Northern Hemisphere is for the Poor, the Breeders, the dysfunctional, the mass-production of quantity.

...of the Southern Hemisphere is for the Rich, the Powerful, the functional, the quality of the few.  Wink


Australia has 2/3rds more 'paperwork' than any other nation. That's a 'serious' non-fictional Religion in itself  Tongue
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Reply #22 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:37pm
 
So with that said.

Buddha of Asia was a flawed individual. He got it wrong.
He failed. He was no more than a homeless beggar of 'nothingness' on the street. The concept of 'doing nothing' besides being inside one's own head is a commonplace experience of those who achieve nothing, do nothing and are nothing. Easy to have a mind at peace with NIL RESPONSIBILITIES.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #23 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 2:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:35pm:
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...of the Northern Hemisphere is for the Poor, the Breeders, the dysfunctional, the mass-production of quantity.

...of the Southern Hemisphere is for the Rich, the Powerful, the functional, the quality of the few.  Wink


Australia has 2/3rds more 'paperwork' than any other nation. That's a 'serious' non-fictional Religion in itself  Tongue


Where did you get that figure?

I'm curious.
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Reply #24 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 3:10pm
 
Jasin wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 1:37pm:
So with that said.

Buddha of Asia was a flawed individual. He got it wrong.
He failed. He was no more than a homeless beggar of 'nothingness' on the street. The concept of 'doing nothing' besides being inside one's own head is a commonplace experience of those who achieve nothing, do nothing and are nothing. Easy to have a mind at peace with NIL RESPONSIBILITIES.  Roll Eyes


Oh yeah? Monks aren't allowed any money. They have to beg for their food.

Nil responsibilities, sure, but think of what that means. Over 190 rules for Theravada monks. Double for nuns. And if you think sitting around chanting, meditating and fasting is easy, think again.
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Reply #25 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 4:35pm
 
A lasting calmness came over me when I discovered the Feast and Famine Variable back in the late 1970s. Before that, I wasn't sure what to think about society and religion

The Variable is the beginning mechanism of our minds. It's much like alternating current, constantly switching from feast (+) to famine (-)  Life is not possible if it was only one or the other

At the same time I discovered the Cyclical Moods and Emotions cycle in our subconscious minds


Knowledge of these are what settled me down and made me realize that many problems, arguments and accidents could be averted if we accept the fact that famine is necessary in order to go into feast, and when we are in feast, inevitably famine will came around again

The important thing to remember is that in the Feast and Famine Variable, feast and famine are in constant flow and are linked together, they can not be separated, just as the + and - in alternating current can't be separated

So how do I make this work in my life, to be of benefit? Well, it's a matter of balancing out the feast and famine ... because the feast and famine is balanced in the Variable, I reject "lust" for anything. I reject "excess", I reject expediency and extremist attitudes. I reject any view that we can always be in feast, we can't and we might as well accept that right now. I except that I must make reasonable sacrifices now and then

In the pursuit of happiness, I'm reluctant to copy what others do. I access what famine I'm in first and if that famine is more than what it should be, I then make an effort to fill some of that famine with feast, returning back to balance. My mind is peaceful when I maintain that balance
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Reply #26 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 6:56pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 4:35pm:
A lasting calmness came over me when I discovered the Feast and Famine Variable back in the late 1970s. Before that, I wasn't sure what to think about society and religion

The Variable is the beginning mechanism of our minds. It's much like alternating current, constantly switching from feast (+) to famine (-)  Life is not possible if it was only one or the other

At the same time I discovered the Cyclical Moods and Emotions cycle in our subconscious minds


Knowledge of these are what settled me down and made me realize that many problems, arguments and accidents could be averted if we accept the fact that famine is necessary in order to go into feast, and when we are in feast, inevitably famine will came around again

The important thing to remember is that in the Feast and Famine Variable, feast and famine are in constant flow and are linked together, they can not be separated, just as the + and - in alternating current can't be separated

So how do I make this work in my life, to be of benefit? Well, it's a matter of balancing out the feast and famine ... because the feast and famine is balanced in the Variable, I reject "lust" for anything. I reject "excess", I reject expediency and extremist attitudes. I reject any view that we can always be in feast, we can't and we might as well accept that right now. I except that I must make reasonable sacrifices now and then

In the pursuit of happiness, I'm reluctant to copy what others do. I access what famine I'm in first and if that famine is more than what it should be, I then make an effort to fill some of that famine with feast, returning back to balance. My mind is peaceful when I maintain that balance


I think you have discovered the reason why rich white people who have everything are constantly bleating about how tough it is.
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Reply #27 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 7:28pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 8:01am:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 22nd, 2018 at 10:42pm:
I read it but it didn't make me feel any better.


Why? Were you already 'mindful'?

Do you think he is correct?




I don't believe that words alone can make people feel better -
wellness comes from within.

For instance if someone has lost a leg you can tell them
that they're lucky as many people have lost both legs.
Will that make them feel better?
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Reply #28 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 9:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 6:56pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2018 at 4:35pm:
A lasting calmness came over me when I discovered the Feast and Famine Variable back in the late 1970s. Before that, I wasn't sure what to think about society and religion

The Variable is the beginning mechanism of our minds. It's much like alternating current, constantly switching from feast (+) to famine (-)  Life is not possible if it was only one or the other

At the same time I discovered the Cyclical Moods and Emotions cycle in our subconscious minds


Knowledge of these are what settled me down and made me realize that many problems, arguments and accidents could be averted if we accept the fact that famine is necessary in order to go into feast, and when we are in feast, inevitably famine will came around again

The important thing to remember is that in the Feast and Famine Variable, feast and famine are in constant flow and are linked together, they can not be separated, just as the + and - in alternating current can't be separated

So how do I make this work in my life, to be of benefit? Well, it's a matter of balancing out the feast and famine ... because the feast and famine is balanced in the Variable, I reject "lust" for anything. I reject "excess", I reject expediency and extremist attitudes. I reject any view that we can always be in feast, we can't and we might as well accept that right now. I except that I must make reasonable sacrifices now and then

In the pursuit of happiness, I'm reluctant to copy what others do. I access what famine I'm in first and if that famine is more than what it should be, I then make an effort to fill some of that famine with feast, returning back to balance. My mind is peaceful when I maintain that balance


I think you have discovered the reason why rich white people who have everything are constantly bleating about how tough it is.


Do you mean those who blame Islam?

Why or why not?
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Reply #29 - Aug 23rd, 2018 at 9:52pm
 
Yes well, us southern 'Australian' Buddhists enjoy wealth, prosperity, high achievement, hetero-sex and nice long 'Fabio' hair.

Think of us much like what a 'Vulcan' would be like, except long hair instead of long ears  Wink


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You see, we Buddhists here worked out the flaw of the original Buddhism.
For one thing, its easy to 'be at peace' when one isolates oneself from all the trials, tribulations and modern influences of today and just hangs out in a monastery up in the Himalayas.
No. We 'Aust' Buddhists venture out into the modern and hectic world of today (now) and not reside back in some 'ancient Buddhist past'. The irony of the original post is all about 'NOW', but Northern Buddhism is still locked in the past, still adhering to the old originalism ...it lacks change into the modern world. Even the Dalai Lama needs much help to transcend through the Veils (quote "Veils of Azlaroc") by way of more 'modernised' people around him. But he too is much of a 'relic' in his ways and beliefs.
Buddhism as 'you' all know it, is NOT in the NOW. It's still stuck in the past and even stuck in a part of the world, not the 'whole' of the world.

Even us southern Buddhists might change so much away from the past version, to become something more better and different to be 'ourself' as something new.

Easy to be at peace, when shut away from life's worries, up in some hidden mountain retreat.  Wink
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