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Earth is a blue watery planet.

70% of its surface is covered by oceans of salt water, some of which are extremely
deep. These oceans contain about 97% of Earth’s water. Another 2% is locked up in
snow, ice caps and glaciers. That leaves just 1% of  Earth’s surface water in inland
seas, lakes, rivers and dams. We have plenty of water, but not much to drink.

In addition to these vast surface water supplies, water vapour is the fourth most abundant gas in the atmosphere, after nitrogen (76%), oxygen (21%) and Argon (1%).
Moisture in the atmosphere varies from almost zero over deserts and ice caps up to
4% over the wet tropics. (Carbon dioxide is a miniscule 0.04%).

Then there are the large and unmeasured supplies of hidden underground water –
“renewable” water from rain soaking into alluvial sands and gravels; artesian water in
deeper permeable rocks; hydro-thermal water associated with volcanic and igneous
activity; and primary water originating deep in Earth’s crust which feeds many natural
springs and is sometimes discovered in unexpected places in very large quantities.

With this abundance of water, why do humans ever find themselves short of fresh water? Three reasons – insufficient water is conserved when it is abundant, too much
water is wasted, and power costs make desalination unattractive.

The biggest water-wasters are those towns and cities which supply unlimited free or
subsidised water to large and growing populations. Everything supplied “free” is wasted. Then when drought comes and water is most needed, it must be rationed.
Under-priced or free water will be wasted watering lawns and golf courses so they can
be mowed again, sprinkling decorative gardens, supplying fish ponds and water
features, washing cars and footpaths, filling swimming pools, indulging long showers,
and ignoring dripping taps and leaking pipes. If every user in every town and city were
metered, and had to pay the full cost of water, it would be used much more carefully.

For example, back in the 1980’s, the Central Queensland coal town of Moranbah, water was un-metered and water was supplied “free” by the coal company. But in droughts Moranbah water had to be rationed – gardens one side of the street could
use water today, the other side tomorrow. Another town, Dalby, in the same climatic
district was metered and self-regulated. No watering restrictions were imposed. The
water consumption per resident in Dalby was half that of Moranbah (and gardens were
just as good).

How should we charge for water? “Charge what it costs” sends the right signals to users. Maybe each user should pay a fixed base charge for water to cover essential
needs. This should be related to the capital costs of the water infrastructure. Usage
above this should be charged at a variable rate which would increase as the water levels in dams dropped. This would remove the need for water restrictions and
generate public support for building more dams.

Lucky Australia has a “Great Artesian Basin” and many grazing properties and inland
towns have relied heavily on artesian water that flows to the surface from deep bores.
Again this “free” water has been badly wasted by allowing the bores to flow unchecked
into open bore drains subject to heavy losses by evaporation and soakage. There is a
program to case and cap these bores to reduce wastage. Some of the government
funding frittered on global warming “research” and green energy gambles would be
better devoted to conserving artesian waters.

Some places like Perth in Western Australia with low rainfall and high evaporation
rates have made good use of artificial desalination plants, but desalination is generally
the last resort without abundant cheap electricity.

The nuclear energy of the sun powers the greatest desalination plant on earth using
mainly sea water to create all of Earth’s clouds, rain, hail and snow. Unfortunately it
delivers these products in cycles of floods and droughts. Therefore dams are needed
to improve water security in droughts, and to moderate the severity of floods.

Water storage is an important part of the water equation which every farmer understands. There is no point allowing immense floods of fresh water to erode the
land and spew into the seas – the oceans are not short of water (but offshore sea life
like prawns and corals can benefit from nutrients and minerals delivered offshore in
floods).

When the inevitable droughts return and the dams are drained, cities are faced with
severe rationing, re-treating waste water or de-salting sea water in expensive power-
hungry desalination plants. Australia has immense deserts and many of our “rive
rs” (including the mighty Murray-Darling) flow intermittently. Normally “creeks” flo
w into “rivers”, but in the dry inland it takes two “rivers” (the Thompson and the Barcoo) to service Coopers “Creek”, and still Lake Eyre is usually dry.


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Sensible people try to conserve water when it is abundant, but every dam proposal soon attracts fierce and organised opposition. This means that most of Australia’s dams were completed decades ago - Warragamba NSW 1960, Eungella Qld 1969, Ord River WA 1971, Beardmore Qld 1972, Fairbairn Qld 1972, Snowy River Vic-NSW 1974, Gordon Tasmania 1974, Hinze Qld 1976, North Pine Qld 1976, Fred Haigh Qld 1978, Wivenhoe Qld 1984, Thompson WA 1984, Burdekin Qld 1987, Barambah Qld 1988.


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Reply #2 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:04pm
 
Its usually because the storage of water comes with consequences. See the recent fight over the Needles Gap dam near Cowra, lee.
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Reply #3 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm
 
I am surprised that we don't have a North-South pipeline to bring
the tropical monsoon rains from the North of Australia to the dry South.

Most of that rain water just washes out to sea & is wasted.
It bet it equals dozens of Sydney harbor's full.
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Reply #4 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:51pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Its usually because the storage of water comes with consequences. See the recent fight over the Needles Gap dam near Cowra, lee.



Of course it has consequences. What has to be determined is which is more important. A blanket no to every proposal is not going to achieve anything.

And that is how the Greenies see it. They don't want dams. But I am sure they do want water.
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Reply #5 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:52pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:51pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:04pm:
Its usually because the storage of water comes with consequences. See the recent fight over the Needles Gap dam near Cowra, lee.



Of course it has consequences. What has to be determined is which is more important. A blanket no to every proposal is not going to achieve anything.

And that is how the Greenies see it. They don't want dams. But I am sure they do want water.




Not having your water leak out through limestone would be more important.
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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:55pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
I am surprised that we don't have a North-South pipeline to bring
the tropical monsoon rains from the North of Australia to the dry South.

Most of that rain water just washes out to sea & is wasted.
It bet it equals dozens of Sydney harbor's full.


Every time it rains in the dry regions politicians say 'problem solved'.
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
Most of that rain water just washes out to sea & is wasted.
It bet it equals dozens of Sydney harbor's full.



"Over 60% of Australia’s total surface water runoff occurs north of the Tropic of Capricorn. A 2014 CSIRO review indicates that this could potentially support up to 1.4 million hectares of irrigated land, increasing Australia’s irrigated area by 50%."

https://theconversation.com/damming-northern-australia-we-need-to-learn-hard-les...
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Reply #8 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:59pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Not having your water leak out through limestone would be more important.



Australia doesn't have engineers?
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Reply #9 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 3:01pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:59pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
Not having your water leak out through limestone would be more important.



Australia doesn't have engineers?




To plug holes you need to know where they are. That was the issue with the Needles Gap dam, it was going to be in a limestone karst. There was no guarantee as to where the water would end up. Plus flooding a cave system and fossil site.
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Reply #10 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 3:04pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
Most of that rain water just washes out to sea & is wasted.
It bet it equals dozens of Sydney harbor's full.



"Over 60% of Australia’s total surface water runoff occurs north of the Tropic of Capricorn. A 2014 CSIRO review indicates that this could potentially support up to 1.4 million hectares of irrigated land, increasing Australia’s irrigated area by 50%."

https://theconversation.com/damming-northern-australia-we-need-to-learn-hard-les...



Thanks Lee,
so our problem is not a lack of water -
it's just that we haven't put in the infrastructure to use what we do have - in abundance.
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Reply #11 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 3:07pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 2:11pm:
I am surprised that we don't have a North-South pipeline to bring
the tropical monsoon rains from the North of Australia to the dry South.

Most of that rain water just washes out to sea & is wasted.
It bet it equals dozens of Sydney harbor's full.


Every time it rains in the dry regions politicians say 'problem solved'.




Not one Prime Minister in our entire history
has promised us a North/South pipeline.

Make it from stainless steel pipe &
our water problems could be ended forever.
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Reply #12 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 3:08pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Aug 17th, 2018 at 3:01pm:
That was the issue with the Needles Gap dam, it was going to be in a limestone karst. There was no guarantee as to where the water would end up. Plus flooding a cave system and fossil site.



As I said. Consequences. Does Australia want more people than the available water allows? Or does it want to limit population to what is currently sustainable?
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Reply #13 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 4:25pm
 
Rockhampton City Council is either debating the merits or in the process of the initial stages of building some kind of weir north of the town. A few years back, some politician, Dominic Doblo, proposed the idea of having a dam built just north of the city, and used to prevent the excessive flooding of Rockhampton. I don't know if Doblo said it, but someone suggested using the flood waters to be treated and sent inland to rural areas where they could store the water for their own periods of drought.

Doblo's idea was rejected based on the cost and unfeasibility of the concept.

Building dams might seem like a solution to the future droughts. But if there is no rainfall of considerable significance, you are just going to see the dams go dry. I remember living out at Emerald during a drought. I cried as a child seeing Fairbarn Dam basically empty. Even as a toddler, I knew the significance of no water at the dam.
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Reply #14 - Aug 17th, 2018 at 4:39pm
 
Think of how a set of major infrastructure projects could transform the Australian economy and with a vision transform Australia. It is ideal for this sort of Terraforming projects.

More dams means we are in control of the water flow. The most important substance on the planet (beyond air) and wars will be fought over it soon.

Also they could be used to provide clean power.

As to the money, that is what governments are there for. Instead of borrowing to just pay debt and poor past decisions. Borrow to invest in the future with a long term plan to pay it back. Hell ask us all for 5% extra tax for such projects or bonds we can invest in. If you have a bond you don't pay for the benefit when delivered.

Hell, Dubai, in the middle of the desert can engineer the future... why cann't we. We are smart enough but lack the will to do big things. Diggging up the place to sell to China is not going to cut it.

Our standard of living, once the envy of the world is dropping relatively every year.

Time to think long term and build. Time for australia to return to the smart and lucky country.... Time to not be victims of our environment. With the climate changing, we need to take control of our future and that needs a vission and leadership, the 2 things we lack right now.

More dams, more redirection of water flow... bloody good idea.

Edit: NB and the greenies can go to hell when they cry.. the wetlands need to be preserved. They will adapt... as we tranform the landscape.
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