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Re: Study warns of looming runaway global warming
Reply #45 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:00pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 8:56pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 8:45pm:
CO2 is the basic control knob for global climate.



"Water Vapor Confirmed as Major Player in Climate Change"

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/vapor_warming.html

Now you do understand there cannot be two MAJOR players in climate?



lee loves to play semantic games

from his own link

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the heat-amplifying effect of water vapor is potent enough to double the climate warming caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


bit of an own goal by lee  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

So the role of water vapor is an amplifier.
Which makes a lot of sense because water vapor can't increase temperatures by itself. It falls out as rain.
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Re: Study warns of looming runaway global warming
Reply #46 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:06pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
lee loves to play semantic games

from his own link

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the heat-amplifying effect of water vapor is potent enough to double the climate warming caused by increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.


bit of an own goal by lee



Yes. So tell me how many MAJOR sources of AGW are there?  There can only be one MAJOR source. A major component is over 50%, what does leave? Less than 50% for CO2, at most? oh how sad.

Then of course we need to look at the logarithmic effect of CO2 on supposed AGW.
The logarithmic effect is mostly below 200ppm. As it get higher the effect gets less and less.

Water? A linear effect.

Which effect is the major cause of warming?

The_Barnacle wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:00pm:
Which makes a lot of sense because water vapor can't increase temperatures by itself. It falls out as rain.


Oh dear. Someone who thinks when it rains it all falls. That there is no wwater vaour left in the sky, that it is not constantly replenished.

Makes sense? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #47 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:10pm
 
A MAJOR component can be 10%. Not the same as ONLY component. Land use change is not a major component, just a little bit player.

Anyway, world is warming and there are plenty of positive feedbacks at work and more to come. What, if anything we can do about it is the question.
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Reply #48 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:11pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
A MAJOR component can be 10%. Not the same as ONLY component.

Anyway, world is warming and there are plenty of positive feedbacks at work and more to come. What, if anything we can do about it is the question.



What about the negative feedback of the gulf stream?

the warmer it gets the more the gulf stream switches off
& the colder Europe gets.
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Reply #49 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:17pm
 
With the AMOC slowed Britain & West Europe will see cold winters snapping into hot summers with hardly any spring.
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Re: Study warns of looming runaway global warming
Reply #50 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:20pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:10pm:
A MAJOR component can be 10%. Not the same as ONLY component.



True. If the MAJOR component only accounts for 10%, all the others must be less than 10%. So are you saying CO2 only has an 8% effect on climate? Wink
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Reply #51 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:23pm
 
A major component can be 10%.

The subject is—how do we prevent runaway global warming?
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Reply #52 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:29pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:23pm:
A major component can be 10%.

The subject is—how do we prevent runaway global warming?


How do we achieve this mythical runaway global warming? From a climate model? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #53 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 5:00am
 
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That's RUNAWAY - not runway........ shees.... warming model -
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Reply #54 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 5:05am
 
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RUNAWAY, you idiot, Igor..... not runway.... DUH!!
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Reply #55 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:25am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 10:23pm:
A major component can be 10%.

The subject is—how do we prevent runaway global warming?



i think if you looked at the range of global temps at this very moment in time, we would have a range from -30 to about 47.

so if sydney , for example, heats up by 2 or 3 degrees, its not like everyone drops dead.

and heating should provide more evaporation, more rainfall, maybe even more farming land.

now we may need to relocate the coastline a few kilometres , but places like, say , the gold coast are knocking down the waterfront and rebuilding it every 50 years anyway.
so we just rebuild it 2 kms to the west.

i think the noble hard workimg capitalist (like myself) just sees it as more work to be done, but so what?
arent the lefties always complaining there isnt enough jobs to go around.

i have seen water rises of 10 m every decade and those water rises occured in a 24 hour period.
it was a lot of hard work, but it gives you the steeley reslove of someone who has "gone thru that".

if a bunch of inner city greens are going to have to spend a little less time pontificating at their local coffee club and get off their shiney bums because the water rises by 1 metre over 50 years....well....FFS...if you cant cope with that and if you cant cope with a hot day , you suck!!!!
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Re: Study warns of looming runaway global warming
Reply #56 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 6:54am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:29pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:23pm:
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:28pm:
Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 3:02pm:
Who cares??? Global warming. Overpopulation....
We cook.....we cook.
The only way to fix it.....kill all humans. Feel free to kick things off.

Lol, so extremism is the only answer to extremism is it?

You're a lunatic buddy  Wink



Oh...cut the bullshit ffs!

How the bloody hell do you suppose we stop human pollution? Give me a real answer instead of this renewable energy crap.
Over 6 bil people, and increasing, will eventually fook the planet.
The planet is heating up....what are you gonna do??? SFA is what. Your gov doesn't care...your people don't care. And all the while knowing that all you're ever doing is spending billions on bullshit. Billions you don't have. Billions borrowed from the one thing fuking this world more than global warming. Yet you'll deny it and keep trolling around like the lost sheep you are.

The more we delay taking action the bigger the cost in lives and dollars will be to finally take the real action.

Renewable energy has parts to play and I am not against the use of nuclear energy.



How can we be sure this isn't the agenda of the money owners?

Nuclear is the way to go when population sizes are what they are today.

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Reply #57 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 7:08am
 
I try not to think in terms of conspiracy theory—madness lies at the other side of that. Some billionaires are buying land in NZ, guess they think that is the best place to be as the world keeps warming. Some seek refuge in madness—e.g. Booby and his ice age idiocy—a GSM will cool things temporarily by 0.3°C until AGW catches up the trivial bit of cooling and starts warming the planet again.

Personally, I am moving to Tasmania partly to get away from the increasingly hot and humid Adelaide summers and to get away from the increasing traffic.
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Reply #58 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:01am
 
TheFunPolice wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 1:30pm:
salad in wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 1:25pm:
I think we should put you on suicide watch.

Who is 'we'?


'We' is me and my team. To join us you must love copper (Cu).
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Reply #59 - Aug 8th, 2018 at 9:45am
 
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A different and more realistic point of view on this debate that has become more political than scientific.
The other side of the Global Warming Debate.
Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, professor of mining geology at the University of Adelaide, and the director of multiple mineral exploration and mining companies.
He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology. Sounds pretty learned/credible, don't you think?
These are his extensive credentials:


Born      12        February 1946
Residence      Australia
Nationality      Australian
Fields      Earth Science, Geology,
Mining Engineering
Institutions      University of New England,
University of Newcastle,
University of Melbourne,
University of Adelaide
Alma mater      University of New South Wales,
Macquarie University
Thesis      The pipe deposits of tungsten-
molybdenum-bismuth in eastern
Australia (1976)
Notable awards      Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),
Centenary Medal(2003),
Clarke Medal (2004)


Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?


Professor Ian Plimer's book in a brief summary:


PLIMER : "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland. Since its first spewing of volcanic ash, it has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.


Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it's that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life.


I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days !


The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud at any one time - EVERY DAY.


I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.


Yes, folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over One year - think about it.




And now we have Hawaii


Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of natural solar and cosmic activity , and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.


And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the wild fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.


Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the BOGUS 'human-caused' climate-change scenario.


Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change .


It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming advocates got caught with their pants down.


And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you by your government, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.


It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.


   But, hey, go give the world a hug and have a nice day


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