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Aug 7th, 2018 at 6:58am
 
Centrelink payment rise would be 'equal to cost of one submarine'

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August 6 2018



A $75-a-week rise in Centrelink unemployment benefits would be roughly equivalent to the annual cost of buying a submarine, a South Australian social services group has said.

South Australian Council of Social Service (SACOSS) has used the comparison to call on South Australian Premier Steven Marshall to join with business leaders, unions, community groups and councils who are lobbying Malcolm Turnbull for an increase in Centrelink's Newstart payments.

Currently, the Newstart unemployment payment for a single person is $273 a week, equivalent to less than $40 a day.   Sad

SACOSS chief executive Ross Womersley said the Newstart payments were "inadequate", with the value of the payments going backwards both in real terms and in comparison to the incomes of other Australians.

"While Newstart is a Federal Government payment, we are calling on Premier Marshall to represent the needs and interests of SA's poorest households and add his government's voice to the chorus of public calls to increase Newstart," Mr Womersley said.

"This chorus includes business leaders, trade unions, community groups, 11 SA local councils and an ex-Liberal Prime Minister — and of course, the voices of the unemployed themselves.

"It should include our State Government."

Mr Marshall has not responded to questions on whether he will support the campaign, however on Thursday he told state parliament it was not an issue he had been following.

"I won't be entering into that debate because that is a federal debate and to be quite honest it's not an issue that I've been following in recent weeks in the media," he said.

"I'm not for one minute suggesting I don't share the member's concerns but I just haven't looked closely enough.

"It's not an issue that the State Government has a role to play and I think that the people of South Australia have elected me to undertake my current role and that's the role I'm very much focussed on."


Cost 'equivalent to a submarine'

The call for Mr Marshall to push for an increase in the amount paid under Newstart comes as SACOSS released its latest Cost of Living Report, which found the value of the unemployment payment had declined in comparison to the general standard of living, with unemployed people receiving 24 per cent of the average wage in South Australia in 1998, to 19 per cent in 2018.
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A $75-a-week increase in the Newstart payment and other allowances would inject $222 million a year into the state's economy, which was equivalent to a little more than the annualised cost of buying a submarine, SACOSS said.

"The submarines are expected to have 20 years of service, so at $4.16 billion per vessel, the annualised expenditure on the purchase of one submarine is $208 million per year (plus maintenance)," SACOSS' report said.

"This is a straight division, not adjusting for inflation or allowing for potential differing costs between submarines, but the proposed increase in Newstart in South Australia represents just bit more than the annualised purchase cost of one submarine."

Mr Womersley said raising the Newstart rate was "the right thing to do for our poorest people".

"It will relieve pressure on State Government anti-poverty services, and it will provide an economic stimulus to low income regions in our state," he said.
'My children eat while I don't'

The SACOSS report includes four case studies, looking at the cost of living and basic expenses of five people aged between 20 and 60.

Their weekly budgets showed all five were scraping by, with little to no money remaining once essential expenses were accounted for.   Sad

The money that remained was quickly used up by unexpected expenses such as car registration and medical bills, SACOSS said.

"I cannot afford to feed myself, or the cost associated with study," Tanya said in the report.

"There's no such thing as entertainment, can't afford to get sick … my children eat while I don't."

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Re: Centrelink Payment Rise Equal To One Submarine
Reply #1 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am
 
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise

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Reply #2 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:07am
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am:
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise



There needs to be a more extensive investigation into payment structures of individuals, not simply what seems to have become a blanket handout. In other words ensure that this "raise the rate" is going to benefit the correct people. 
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Reply #3 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:22am
 
goldkam wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:07am:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am:
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise



There needs to be a more extensive investigation into payment structures of individuals, not simply what seems to have become a blanket handout. In other words ensure that this "raise the rate" is going to benefit the correct people. 


The "correct people" are the ones trying to live on not enough money to even pay rent

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Reply #4 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:35am
 
whiteknight wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am:
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise


Well waddayaknow, many of us have been calling for this and arguing the point for decades.

Newstart is too low has been "forever" many pollies believe that's the point it needs to be too low to encourage people to seek work.  Unfortunately for most of the Unemployed there is no work to seek.  BTW cost of living varies state to state.  The whole system needs reform.
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Reply #5 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
The conservatives need the subs to find the WMDs
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Its time wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:57am:
The conservatives need the subs to find the WMDs

Thanks for that wanker TROLL...
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Reply #7 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:26am
 
Grendel wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:35am:
Newstart is too low has been "forever" many pollies believe that's the point it needs to be too low to encourage people to seek work.  Unfortunately for most of the Unemployed there is no work to seek.  BTW cost of living varies state to state.  The whole system needs reform.

I agree: The lack of jobs is the biggest obstacle to finding a job. It's a very obvious point but you never see politicians from the major parties discussing this. It would require them to admit that the economy is deliberately structured around a system of job rationing.

The Liberals are worse, of course. Labor's left have been critical of neoliberalism recently, which offers some hope of real change when Labor is next in government. On the other hand, the Liberals have been ruining the job prospects of the unemployed by various means for decades, including forcing the offshoring of government jobs.

Involuntary unemployment is a huge and chronic problem that must be addressed. Increasing Newstart should also be considered, but the focus should be implementing policies to abolish involuntary long-term unemployment, such as introducing a Job Guarantee, withholding funding from states that offshore government jobs, abolishing unpaid overtime, making overtime penalty rates mandatory, and other similar measures to restructure the economy away from the extremely harmful policy of scarcity of work. It would also help to wean businesses off sub-minimum pay by abolishing Work for the Dole, Community Development Program and the PaTH Program. All of these are openly rorted and increase corruption in the labour market.
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Reply #8 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 12:02pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:22am:
goldkam wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:07am:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am:
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise



There needs to be a more extensive investigation into payment structures of individuals, not simply what seems to have become a blanket handout. In other words ensure that this "raise the rate" is going to benefit the correct people. 


The "correct people" are the ones trying to live on not enough money to even pay rent

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Circumstances for everyone are different. The correct people are those who continually seek work, who may be caring for individuals, are pensioners or the like.
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Once again I salute those receiving a Centrelink benefit. Because of their sacrifice we're able to take in more refugees. Refugees are not self-funding.
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Forgo 2 submarines and give our pensioners a rise as well.
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Reply #11 - Aug 7th, 2018 at 4:05pm
 
goldkam wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 12:02pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 9:22am:
goldkam wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:07am:
whiteknight wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 7:03am:
Calls for a $75-a-week rise

A national "raise the rate" campaign led by the Australian Council of Social Service is calling for a $75-a-week increase, which would be a 27 per cent increase in the current base rate.

The last real increase in unemployment benefits occurred more than 20 years ago. 

In May former Prime Minister John Howard joined leading business figures in calling for Newstart payments to be increased, after the federal budget delivered no extra benefits for the unemployed and jobseekers.

Other business and political figures to throw their support behind a raise in Newstart payment rates include Business Council of Australia chief executive Jennifer Westacott, economist Chris Richardson, and federal crossbenchers Derryn Hinch and Tim Storer.

The latest figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics show the unemployment rate was 5.4 per cent in June, with around 719,000 Australians out of work.Calls for a $75-a-week rise



There needs to be a more extensive investigation into payment structures of individuals, not simply what seems to have become a blanket handout. In other words ensure that this "raise the rate" is going to benefit the correct people. 


The "correct people" are the ones trying to live on not enough money to even pay rent

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Circumstances for everyone are different. The correct people are those who continually seek work, who may be caring for individuals, are pensioners or the like.


Ahh. so you agree then.

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No wonder people on the dole get mixed up in other professions:


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Bam wrote on Aug 7th, 2018 at 11:26am:
I agree: The lack of jobs is the biggest obstacle to finding a job. It's a very obvious point but you never see politicians from the major parties discussing this. It would require them to admit that the economy is deliberately structured around a system of job rationing.

The Liberals are worse, of course. Labor's left have been critical of neoliberalism recently, which offers some hope of real change when Labor is next in government. On the other hand, the Liberals have been ruining the job prospects of the unemployed by various means for decades, including forcing the offshoring of government jobs.

Involuntary unemployment is a huge and chronic problem that must be addressed. Increasing Newstart should also be considered, but the focus should be implementing policies to abolish involuntary long-term unemployment, such as introducing a Job Guarantee, withholding funding from states that offshore government jobs, abolishing unpaid overtime, making overtime penalty rates mandatory, and other similar measures to restructure the economy away from the extremely harmful policy of scarcity of work. It would also help to wean businesses off sub-minimum pay by abolishing Work for the Dole, Community Development Program and the PaTH Program. All of these are openly rorted and increase corruption in the labour market.


Two things:-

a.  Government is NOT a business - it is a service to the people and has no right to rob those people of work and opportunity in life to meet some mythical 'bottom line'.

b. One really has to wonder what these politicians use for brains when they offshore work, leaving countless thousands here without work or hope. 

Are they hoping to alleviate the problems of billions of third worlders by handing out jobs that can be done here as some sort of 'brotherhood of man' and thus improve the lot of humankind* - in a world that is rapidly becoming over-populated primarily in the same Third World?

Is it just part of their program to reduce the ordinary person in THIS nation under the despotism of poverty and/or the perpetual looming threat of poverty, so as to secure an unwarranted control over the very populace they are supposed to be serving?

I say put the lot into orbit without a capsule...

* the evidence shows that 'improving the lot of third worlders' leads to increased over-population and rapid depletion of any resources added by the 'improvement' ..... and the end result is worse than when you started.

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