BH, everyone has seen the stuff you quote.

But unless you have had ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with this stuff it will remain a mystery.

To give you a tiny glimpse of what happens in a petrol engine with HHO gas added to the air intake.

The HHO gas increases the speed of the combustion process and results in faster and more complete burning. The steam released cleans the cylinder walls.

What escapes most unfamiliar critics is that the HHO gas acts as a catalyst to improve the combustion of petrol and reduces emissions and increases horsepower.

Engine timing usually has to be altered and the amount of HHO needs to be determined experimentally.  For 5L V8 about 2 liters/min seems to work OK.

It is much easier to add HHO to a carburetor than to fuel injection because the computer detects the additional oxygen in the exhaust and compensates the wrong way and so this has to be compensated for.

One way for fuel injection is to ONLY use the Hydrogen but this has lower energy than the full HHO gas.

HHO is easier to say than Brown's Gas or Hydroxy Gas.

Bit of worthless technically ignorant nonsense scribbled dribble from the Mad Munk STALKING TROLL.

BH you can wait for a bus if you like. I am not trying to convince you of anything merely explaining the technical facts.

While the dead end all electric toy car industry stagnates with nowhere to go the BIG BOY on the block is just starting to emerge as simply gigantic.

The HUGE Hydrogen Energy Revolution offers endless opportunities for all sorts of transport including cars, trucks, buses, railways and energy export to Asia which is already going for the convenience and flexibility of hydrogen in a big way.

The dead end very inconvenient and impractical tiny all electric cars are just dangerous gimmicks for geeks loaded with lithium fire bombs - when will your Tesla coffin car complete with crematorium send you to the promised land in a fiery explosion ?


Another Tesla S goes to the car junkyard where they all will eventually end up as hydrogen takes over.




Blueprint Prepared for Australia's Hydrogen Trade
BY MAREX 2018-08-22 20:33:32



Australia has the potential for an economically-sustainable hydrogen industry, according to a blueprint released by national science agency CSIRO.

Hydrogen is a clean-burning fuel with a range of uses from powering vehicles to storing energy, and if produced using low-emissions energy sources, it could facilitate decarbonization across the energy and industrial sectors.

The Roadmap indicates that hydrogen technologies are reaching maturity, with the narrative now shifting from R&D to market activation. By around 2025, clean hydrogen could be cost-competitive with existing industrial feedstocks such as natural gas and energy carriers such as batteries in many applications. The Roadmap states that an appropriate policy framework could create market pull for hydrogen, with investment in infrastructure then likely to follow.

Australia has long been dependent on imported liquid fuels and is currently not meeting domestic fuel reserve targets. Hydrogen could play a key role in protecting Australia from supply shocks by localizing liquid fuel supplies (e.g. by producing synthetic fuels) or by displacing their use in both stationary and transport applications. Hydrogen could also help manage the transition to a higher proportion of variable renewable electricity in the electricity network by overcoming challenges associated with energy intermittency.

Additionally, hydrogen presents a new export opportunity for Australia and could play a significant role in enabling the further uptake of renewable energy. CSIRO Chief Executive Dr. Larry Marshall said: "Australia has a unique and urgent opportunity to turn significant natural resources, including coal, gas, and renewables like solar and wind energy, into a low-emissions energy product and ship it around the world – in some cases literally exporting Aussie sunshine.”

Australia has a history of exporting its natural resources. However, some of these markets, for example uranium, have suffered downturns as a consequence of a changing energy mix abroad. Others such as thermal coal, could be at risk in the future if global trends continue to lead towards a low carbon economy.

In contrast, the global market for hydrogen is expected to reach $155 billion by 2022, with a number of Australia’s existing trading partners, such as Japan, who are comparatively resource constrained, currently implementing policy commitments for hydrogen imports and use. The Australian Renewable Energy Agency (ARENA) has already announced A$1.5 million ($1.1 million) to fund Australia’s first green hydrogen innovation hub at Jandakot in Western Australia with an eye for the Japanese market.

Potential demand for imported hydrogen in China, Japan, South Korea and Singapore could reach in the order of 3.8 million tons in 2030. Commercial scale production of hydrogen from brown coal in Victoria is likely to be available after 2030, so the majority of prior demand is expected to be met by electrolysis coupled with dedicated renewables or grid connected electricity.

Hydrogen may be produced via two mature pathways:

Thermochemical: Uses a fossil fuel feedstock to produce hydrogen. This process must be paired with carbon capture and storage to produce clean hydrogen. Mature technologies include steam methane reforming which relies on natural gas as an input and coal gasification

Electrochemical: Involves the use of an electrical current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. This process requires the use of low or zero emissions electricity to produce clean hydrogen. Mature technologies include polymer electrolyte membrane and alkaline electrolysis.

Selection of the most appropriate storage technology represents a trade-off between the quantity of hydrogen, storage footprint (e.g. tank size) and energy usage.

Compression of gaseous hydrogen generally represents the most attractive option for stationary storage given the comparatively lower cost and greater availability of space.

Other storage technologies including liquefaction and material carriers such as ammonia. Hydrogen can be transported via truck, rail, ship and pipeline using these storage techniques.

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/blueprint-prepared-for-australia-s-hy...

That unbelievable silly dumb troll just keeps on trying to get noticed. Such trollish behavior. Who would bother responding to the silly technically obtuse tripe from a drongo like that ?

That unbelievable silly dumb troll just keeps on trying to get noticed. Such trollish behavior.

Who would bother responding to the silly technically obtuse tripe from a drongo like that ?

juliar wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2018 at 12:36pm:
juliar loves racism long time!

Ignoring the unhinged monkey chatter of the challenged trolls. Especially the one watching the ducks on the Swan River from the viewing platform at the Nursing Home.

Now Denmark is going over to hydrogen as they don't want to be left behind with obsolete geriatric dangerous electric funeral cars.



Bus of the future powered by the fuel of the future



Denmark To Test Hydrogen Buses — But Why?
February 22nd, 2018 by Jesper Berggreen

According to DR News, the northern region of Denmark has ordered 3 hydrogen fuel cell powered buses, at an expected price tag of almost $1 million each.

In itself that is a very high cost compared to a standard Chinese BYD K9 electric bus at about $500,000, but what strikes me more is the chosen headline in the country’s respected national news media: “The future is here: the country’s first hydrogen buses are coming.”

Hydrogen future?
I am confused about the subject of hydrogen. So much money is invested in the technology, while at the same time the reality of battery storage is forging ahead. What is going on? Is it going to be one or the other? Or both?

As I see it, the main difference between hydrogen storage and battery storage is that hydrogen is cheap to store and hard to transport as opposed to electricity being expensive to store in batteries but easy to transport.

However, let me emphasise that I write this, not to lecture right from wrong, but to reach out for answers. It is very hard to find hard facts about the overall large-scale economy of these technologies, in part because prices sometimes drop rapidly, but also because it might have a lot to do with geography.

The before noted headline “The future is here…” seems to claim that in this windy part of the world, in a small country with a population of 5,5 million and a wind turbine nameplate capacity of 5,5 GW, an energy storage infrastructure based on hydrogen is viable and very much competitive to battery storage.

Testing hydrogen infrastructure
The 3 buses ordered, which are expected to go into public service within a year, are actually part of a larger scheme of an experiment with hydrogen. Under the name of House of Energy, 400 researchers from Aalborg University and 400 companies from all over Denmark have made a platform to share knowledge, skills, and resources on different sustainable energy technologies and production.

One of the companies of the House of Energy platform is Hydrogen Valley and its objective is to facilitate actual projects in a hydrogen infrastructure. The most important project is to build one of Europe’s biggest electrolysis based hydrogen production plants.

The plant is almost complete at the city of Hobro and is called HyBalance. The hydrogen will be produced solely from excess wind power with up to 70% efficiency, and the whole point of the plant is to demonstrate all parts of the hydrogen eco-system, from production, over distribution, to end use, primarily in transportation systems — and that is where the buses come in.


HyBalance construction site. Image credit: HyBalance.eu

So, at first it seems odd that these buses were ordered in the first place, knowing that with fuel cells only being up to 60% efficient they cannot possibly compete with the cheap battery-powered alternatives that could be charged directly from wind power. However, they are really just pieces in a bigger experiment of whether the hydrogen economy is viable in the long run. Of course, the companies involved believe it is. Time will tell.

Hydrogen is challenged
Personally I think hydrogen is interesting from a technology perspective, but I think what’s happening with battery storage across many different technologies is so radical that nothing will be able to compete with it in the long run. But who knows? Maybe both will serve us in some sort of equilibrium, but with hydrogen playing a minor role if you ask me. One example could be some kind of standardized hydrogen storage system inside all those wind turbine towers.



If you like buses, check out the CleanTechnica articles on what’s going on in London with hydrogen-powered ones, and battery-powered ones.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/22/denmark-test-hydrogen-buses/