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Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:20am
 
Chris Bowen challenges Malcolm Turnbull to call a general election   Smiley

Shadow Treasurer Chris Bowen has downplayed Liberal polling showing Bill Shorten is on the nose in key by-election seats.

    The Australian
    July 8, 2018


Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen has challenged Malcolm Turnbull to call a general election now, downplaying Liberal Party polling which has shown Bill Shorten is on the nose with voters in three key by-election seats, and particularly unpopular among young women.

The leaked polling shows Mr Shorten’s popularity has slumped to its lowest result since the by-election campaigns began, the Sunday Telegraph is reporting.

The polls, taken a week after Mr Shorten was rolled by shadow cabinet and withdrew his pledge to repeal tax cuts for medium-sized businesses, asked respondents whether they had a favourable or unfavourable impression of the Labor leader.

In the Tasmanian seat of Braddon he had a net favourability rating of minus 45, while in the Queensland seat of Longman, it was minus 27, and in the South Australian seat of Mayo, where Centre Alliance candidate Rebekha Sharkie is polling well ahead of Liberal Georgina Downer, Mr Shorten also scored minus 27.

Among female voters aged under 35 in Mayo, Mr Shorten scored an unprecedented rating of minus 35.

Mr Bowen said the key point was that the research had been done by the Liberal Party.

“I mean that’s how desperate they are,” he told Sky News.   Cheesy

“I mean I don’t even know how accurate it would be. Obviously we all say we don’t comment on the polls, but if you look at the polls, we’ve been in a strong position for a long time, we’re very competitive under Bill’s leadership, I’m very comfortable with that.

“We’re leading the policy debate. We’ve taken the approach to win this election on policy. That’s the approach we’ll continue to take. We’re going to fight hard.”   Smiley

Mr Bowen said he was “very comfortable” with where the polls are at.


“We don’t take anything for granted and we’re not getting ahead of ourselves. We’ve got a task ahead of us to win the respect of the Australian people with a general election, but I’ll tell you what, if Malcolm Turnbull’s so ready for an election, why doesn’t he hop in the car, go down and see the Governor-General, call an election?   

“It’s a Sunday, it’s not a bad day for it, call an election, and we’ll get on with it.”

A half-Senate election must be held between August 4 and May 18, while the House of Representatives election can take place any time before November 2, 2019.

It is unlikely that Malcolm Turnbull would choose to hold the two elections separately.

Mr Bowen also defended $215 million in spending commitments Labor has made during the by-election campaigns, saying they would all be paid for.

The figure compares with $90m pledge by the government, and includes an undertaking yesterday to spend $25m to establish an AFL club in Tasmania.

“Yes we’ve made some spending commitments. It would be the first by-election campaign in Australian history if neither side made spending commitments,” Mr Bowen said.

“I don’t begrudge the Liberals making their spending commitments, particularly as they try to hold onto Mayo for example.

“All our commitments are very carefully designed, they’re all paid for. I’m a strong supporter of an AFL team for Tasmania for example. I think that’s a great thing. I think they deserve one. As a foundation member of the GWS Giants, for example, I know how good new teams in the competition can be. I think Tasmania deserves one.

“We’re happy to work with the AFL for it, and of course we’ll time those announcements to match by-elections of course.

“In relation to the general election, let me tell you, the set of books that Jim Chalmers and I present to the Australian people during the election campaign will be a better set of books than a Liberal Party can present, because we’ve made the tough decisions. You asked about how our books will look. We’ll have a better set of books than this.
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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:26am
 
Bring it on,  dump these Muppet's in the sewer where they rightfully belong
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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am
 
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.
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Reply #3 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:45am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.


The Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (and workers).

Why do you have a problem with them controlling the party?

Business unions control the Liberal Party.



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Reply #4 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:49am
 
Mal's trigger finger on calling an election must be getting itchy but he will wait for the Libs to win some of the by-elections first.

Also if lying Bulldust Billy gets shafted Mal might call the election then while the Labor Party is reduced to an utter chaotic brothel.

But as the economy is growing and everything is going gang busters Mal may as well wait for a while. Especially now Patriotic Pauline is right behind Mal together with Mark Latham who has seen the light and left the DARK SIDE.

The thing is it is not quite so easy to shaft Bulldust Billy as a female opposite is required.

Bulldust Billy is sort of right and Tanya Whatsit is left.

Albo Sneezy is left and there is no female polly from the right who is worth bothering with.

What about Eddie Obeid's girl ? Is she left or right ?

Also the CFMMEU like Bulldust Billy but they don't like Albo Sneezy and the CFMMEU control EVERY aspect of the Labor Party.

No Opposition Party has lost a by-election in 98 years according to 2GB.
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Reply #5 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:45am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.


The Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (and workers).

Why do you have a problem with them controlling the party?

Business unions control the Liberal Party.

Well Gee gweggy thanks for telling me stuff I already knew.
But hey I move with the times and they are hardly representative of that today.

How many people now are part of a Union and don't have to be?
Given that why should they be running Labor?
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Reply #6 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:56am
 
juliar wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:49am:
Mal's trigger finger on calling an election must be getting itchy but he will wait for the Libs to win some of the by-elections first.

Also if lying Bulldust Billy gets shafted Mal might call the election then while the Labor Party is reduced to an utter chaotic brothel.

But as the economy is growing and everything is going gang busters Mal may as well wait for a while. Especially now Patriotic Pauline is right behind Mal together with Mark Latham who has seen the light and left the DARK SIDE.

The thing is it is not quite so easy to shaft Bulldust Billy as a female opposite is required.

Bulldust Billy is sort of right and Tanya Whatsit is left.

Albo Sneezy is left and there is no female polly from the right who is worth bothering with.

What about Eddie Obeid's girl ? Is she left or right ?

Also the CFMMEU like Bulldust Billy but they don't like Albo Sneezy and
the CFMMEU control EVERY aspect of the Labor Party.

No Opposition Party has lost a by-election in 98 years according to 2GB.


Not quite.

The larger Unions have a much bigger say.

The SDA, for example, has more than 200,000 members which makes them quite influential.

The CFMMEU plays a part, but they're not nearly as influential as the SDA, United Voice, and the AWU.

You should ask your minders to do a little more research, juliar.

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Reply #7 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Let me help you gweggy...

Quote:
Union membership in Australia has plummeted to a record low, with just one in nine private-sector employees choosing to belong to a union.

The fall is part of a rapid and long-term decline in which overall union membership has plunged from 40 per cent of the workforce to about 15 per cent in a little over two decades.


Quote:
Union membership among public servants sits at 39 per cent, well above the 11 per cent in the private sector.


Quote:
"Unions represent such a small number of people in the private sector, their opinions are out of step with what's in the interests of Australia and business, and yet they can have such an impact on Labor policy positions."


https://www.smh.com.au/national/trade-union-membership-hits-record-low-20151027-...
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Reply #8 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:00am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:45am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.


The Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (and workers).

Why do you have a problem with them controlling the party?

Business unions control the Liberal Party.

Well Gee gweggy thanks for telling me stuff I already knew.
But hey I move with the times and they are hardly representative of that today.

How many people now are part of a Union and don't have to be?
Given that why should they be running Labor?


Nonsense: the Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (i.e. workers) and that's still who they represent today.

And, nobody has to be part of a Union.

Union membership is very low at the moment, but that doesn't mean that the Unions shouldn't be in control of their own party.

Who would you rather see running the Labor Party, if not the Unions?
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Reply #9 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:03am
 
The election won't be called soon because the government is currently trailing in the polls and governments in trouble hardly ever go early.

Turnbull knows he's in trouble. If Turnbull thought he could win the next election, he wouldn't have scheduled by-elections for July 28. He would have dissolved Parliament and called the Federal election for August 4, just one week later.
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Reply #10 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:04am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:45am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.


The Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (and workers).

Why do you have a problem with them controlling the party?

Business unions control the Liberal Party.

Well Gee gweggy thanks for telling me stuff I already knew.
But hey I move with the times and they are hardly representative of that today.

How many people now are part of a Union and don't have to be?
Given that why should they be running Labor?


Nonsense: the Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (i.e. workers) and that's still who they represent today.

And, nobody has to be part of a Union.

Union membership is very low at the moment, but that doesn't mean that the Unions shouldn't be in control of their own party.

Who would you rather see running the Labor Party, if not the Unions?

Hate to tell you this but 2 jobs I had, I had to join the Union...
And buddy have you never heard of NO TICKET NO START?

You are naive, dumb or dishonest...  which one?  All 3 perhaps.
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Reply #11 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:06am
 
Google No ticket No start.

Quote:
Unions probed over 'no ticket, no start' claims - The Australian
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/.../unions...no-ticket-no.../story-e6frg9df-1225824487...
Jan 29, 2010 - The Fair Work Ombudsman confirmed yesterday it had launched an investigation into complaints against the Maritime Union of Australia, the ...

Union accused of 'no ticket, no start' policy - ABC News (Australian ...
www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/fair-work-australia-takes-union...to.../3823152

Feb 9, 2012 - Australia's Fair Work Ombudsman has taken a national labour hire company and the Maritime Union to court over an alleged 'no ticket, no start' ...
Court penalises CFMEU “gatekeeper” for enforcing 'no-ticket ... - ABCC
https://www.abcc.gov.au/.../court-penalises-cfmeu-“gatekeeper”-enforcing-‘no-ticket-...

Feb 26, 2018 - This job is a union site...if you want to be working you have to have a ... the CFMEU shop steward was “enforcing a 'no ticket no start' regime on ...
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Reply #12 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:07am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Let me help you gweggy...

Quote:
Union membership in Australia has plummeted to a record low, with just one in nine private-sector employees choosing to belong to a union.

The fall is part of a rapid and long-term decline in which overall union membership has plunged from 40 per cent of the workforce to about 15 per cent in a little over two decades.


Quote:
Union membership among public servants sits at 39 per cent, well above the 11 per cent in the private sector.


Quote:
"Unions represent such a small number of people in the private sector, their opinions are out of step with what's in the interests of Australia and business, and yet they can have such an impact on Labor policy positions."


https://www.smh.com.au/national/trade-union-membership-hits-record-low-20151027-...


You're forgetting one very important fact:

All workers benefit from the entitlements and conditions won by Unions, not just Union members.

So anyway, if you don't think the Unions should be running the Union Party - the Labor Party - who then?



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Reply #13 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:07am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:04am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:45am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:32am:
Why won't it be called?
Because Chris Bowen doesn't have his hand up Turnbull's arse, like the Unions have up Bill's.


The Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (and workers).

Why do you have a problem with them controlling the party?

Business unions control the Liberal Party.

Well Gee gweggy thanks for telling me stuff I already knew.
But hey I move with the times and they are hardly representative of that today.

How many people now are part of a Union and don't have to be?
Given that why should they be running Labor?


Nonsense: the Labor Party was created by Unions, for Unions (i.e. workers) and that's still who they represent today.

And, nobody has to be part of a Union.

Union membership is very low at the moment, but that doesn't mean that the Unions shouldn't be in control of their own party.

Who would you rather see running the Labor Party, if not the Unions?

Hate to tell you this but 2 jobs I had, I had to join the Union...
And buddy have you never heard of NO TICKET NO START?

You are naive, dumb or dishonest...  which one?  All 3 perhaps.


Utter crap,  I wish it was no ticket no start
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Reply #14 - Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:09am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Grendel wrote on Jul 11th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Let me help you gweggy...

Quote:
Union membership in Australia has plummeted to a record low, with just one in nine private-sector employees choosing to belong to a union.

The fall is part of a rapid and long-term decline in which overall union membership has plunged from 40 per cent of the workforce to about 15 per cent in a little over two decades.


Quote:
Union membership among public servants sits at 39 per cent, well above the 11 per cent in the private sector.


Quote:
"Unions represent such a small number of people in the private sector, their opinions are out of step with what's in the interests of Australia and business, and yet they can have such an impact on Labor policy positions."


https://www.smh.com.au/national/trade-union-membership-hits-record-low-20151027-...


You're forgetting one very important fact:

All workers benefit from the entitlements and conditions won by Unions, not just Union members.

So anyway, if you don't think the Unions should be running the Union Party - the Labor Party - who then?





really?

so when the unions priced the autoworkers in geelong out of the market and the factory closed, this was a big win for the workers ?
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