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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #45 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:22pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:14pm:

With sea level rise having accelerated governments of all persuasions, left or right, democratic or dictatorial etc will start getting serious about reducing emissions and sequestering CO2.

Oh, I thought you would talk scientists. Instead politicians? Grin

Is this "acceleration" like anything experienced before? Wink

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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #46 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:29pm

juliar wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 12:49pm:

lee,

FD etc is just parroting baloney he/she saw on some bulldust Greeny Global warming site.

Yeah, like NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, Met Office, Nature articles, Geophysical letters etc etc.

Not forgetting our own BuMet’s State of the Climate reports.

Here, youLiar, feast your eyes on:
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/

http://www.bom.gov.au/state-of-the-climate/

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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #47 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:38pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:29pm:

Yeah, like NASA, NOAA, NSIDC, Met Office, Nature articles, Geophysical letters etc etc.

Not forgetting our own BuMet’s State of the Climate reports.

Yeah. And NO mention of the inaccuracy of the "data". Grin

Aren't "scientists" supposed to tell the unvarnished truth?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #48 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:40pm You can also read this one, YouLiar: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180719085424.htm
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21533 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #49 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:42pm Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:40pm: You can also read this one, YouLiar: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180719085424.html "404: Not found"
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #50 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:51pm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180719085424.htm
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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #51 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 1:57pm

This FD etc who is shaping up as an uninformed waste of time and space troll wouldn't happen to be a rebranded LostSnail by any chance ?

the ref https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/07/180719085424.htm

is just a Greeny trash site like so many others feeding the gullibility of the uneducated.

Like I said FD etc, you are wasting your time and making this excellent factual thread UNCLEAN by just parroting silly Greeny Global Warming HOAX trash.

FD etc, start your own thread and fill it with endless Greeny trash - who cares.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #52 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm ahahaha right, I did not expect YouLiar to even click on one link No idea about science, obviously. Or technology. Or politics.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #53 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:04pm The LostSnail troll just can't stay away from the real educated poster who he/she is so in awe of.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #54 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:09pm Ahahahahahaha thanks for that, a laugh a day is good for your health. You know nothing about the world around you, just copy and paste crap!
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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #55 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:42pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:00pm:

No idea about science, obviously.

Or technology. Or politics.

"Although this large calving event is not itself evidence of climate change in this part of the Antarctic Peninsula, an even larger iceberg was calved in 1986, it does mean that the Larsen C’s ice shelf’s front is now as far landward as it has ever been in the history of human observations in this area."

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/30923

"The new Larsen berg is probably in the top 10 biggest ever recorded.

The largest observed in the satellite era was an object called B-15. It came away from the Ross Ice Shelf in 2000 and measured some 11,000 sq km. Six years later, fragments of this super-berg still persisted and passed by New Zealand.

In 1956, it was reported that a US Navy icebreaker had encountered an object of roughly 32,000 sq km. That is bigger than Belgium. Unfortunately, there were no satellites at the time to follow up and verify the observation.

It has been known also for the Larsen C Ice Shelf itself to spawn bigger bergs. An object measuring some 9,000 sq km came away in 1986. Many of Larsen's progeny can get wound up in a gyre in the Weddell sea or can be despatched north on currents into the Southern Ocean, and even into the South Atlantic. "

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40321674

On; only top 10? Cry

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #56 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 2:45pm Maybe it is time to complain to the MOD about the LostSnail troll's illegal SPAMMING and the distasteful post he/she left a little while ago. Should be worth a holiday. The mental magnificence of the LostSnail troll.
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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #57 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 3:56pm

The Globally Warmed Greeny bulldust is slammed again.

Water is the Weather Wildcard
By Viv Forbes January 10, 2014

The climatists claim that atmospheric carbon dioxide drives global warming. But the past seventeen years of rising CO2 without rising global temperatures shows this is untrue.

So now they say that carbon dioxide causes wild weather. This too is untrue.

Water covers over 70% of the globe, is about 50 times more abundant than CO2 in the atmosphere and it is a far more effective "greenhouse gas".

There can be no rain, snow, hail, ice or floods without water. And the absence of water produces deserts and droughts.

It is water vapour that maintains the energy of storms, cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons.

And it is water, not carbon dioxide, which plays a crucial role in the feared climate tipping points.

During periods of global warming, water plays a mainly moderating role. As oceans, seas and lakes are warmed by solar radiation, water drives three cooling feedbacks.

Firstly, increased evaporation cools the surface water and the adjacent atmosphere.

Secondly, the moist warm air rises, cooling as it expands in the lower atmospheric pressure. Eventually this cooling air releases its moisture as rain, hail or snow which cools the surface on which it falls, and then cools it more by renewing evaporative cooling. Or the extra moisture forms clouds that shade the surface and also reflect solar radiation.

Thirdly, the moisture in the air releases its latent heat when it condenses high in the atmosphere. Much of this surface heat then gets radiated to space.

Water thus reduces the chances of runaway global warming.

Water, however, can magnify any cooling trends. A covering of snow and ice quickly reflects more incoming solar radiation, thus increasing the initial cooling. Not even the feeble warming effect of carbon dioxide will prevent this.

In fact, when oceans cool, they dissolve more carbon dioxide thus reducing the ability of the atmosphere to retain atmospheric warmth.

Ice ages are precipitated once winter snow is not melted by summer sun. They have never been prevented by high carbon dioxide levels in ancient atmospheres.

These are all proven processes, not theories in computer climate models.

It is water in all its forms, not carbon dioxide, that is the heavy-hitter in all weather processes.

Carbon dioxide is the side-show.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/01/water_is_the_weather_wildcard.html#...

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Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX
Reply #58 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 4:09pm

If the Greeny types had half a brain they would be embarrassed by their own gullible dumbness - but no chance of that occurring.

Carbon Dioxide Can't Cause Wild Weird Weather
By Viv Forbes February 19, 2014

Every day some place in the world has "wild weather." And in recent times, human industry gets the blame. "It's all caused by man-made global warming" (generally shortened to "global warming", or GW by alarmists).

Floods or droughts -- blame GW; bushfires or snowstorms -- blame GW; frosts or heatwaves -- blame GW; hail storms or dust storms -- blame GW; cyclones or tornadoes - blame GW.

If all of this were true, carbon dioxide is surely the most powerful and disruptive gas on the planet - a potential weapon of mass destruction.

But carbon dioxide (CO2) is one of the most stable, predictable, unreactive and puny of all climate factors. And its effect diminishes for each addition of CO2 to the atmosphere. Adding more now has almost zero effect on temperature.

This graph shows that the apparent effect of man's production of carbon dioxide has declined dramatically since 1941, and it is now insignificant.

Source: http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01a511675d5a970c-pi
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http://www.c3headlines.com/2014/02/noaa-climate-impact-cumulative-co2-emissions-...

Weather is ruled by solar heating, winds, clouds, pressure zones, temperature distribution, moisture content, lunar phases, sun spots, solar cycles, local topography and the massive oceans. A meteorologist never checks today's CO2 level before he prepares a weather forecast for the next few days. Sailors and farmers watch the clouds, the wind and the moon, and have barometers, thermometers and hygrometers - none think about CO2 levels.

Rising CO2 in the atmosphere has only one proven effect - it encourages the growth of green plants. Forests, desert plants, crops and grasses are all growing better. None of this can cause wild weather.

We are told that rising CO2 will cause runaway global warming. This has never occurred in the past with much higher levels of CO2. The evidence shows that temperature cycles come and go, sometimes in phase with today's gently rising CO2 sometimes totally out of phase.

Wild weather is usually caused by extreme differences in air pressures and temperatures, which produce strong winds as the atmosphere tries to equalise things. Variable moisture content can then add storm energy to the brew.

Water vapor is the important "greenhouse gas" in the atmosphere. Rising CO2 has almost zero effect on equatorial temperatures, because there is usually so much moisture in equatorial atmospheres that it completely overshadows any impact that CO2 may have. The predicted "equatorial hot spot" supposedly caused by rising CO2 is not there.

But in the very dry atmosphere of the poles, rising CO2 may still have a tiny warming effect which thus reduces the temperature gradient between the equator and poles. This actually lowers the potential for wild weather.

There is evidence to support this view - in the depths of the Little Ice Age, storms and wild weather were more common. Global cooling may produce more storms. See: The storminess of the Little Ice Age:

Carbon dioxide can possibly calm the climate but cannot cause wild weather (except in alarmist computer models.)

There has been no measurable "global warming" for 21 years so CO2 cannot be causing England's floods, the US snow or the Australian drought. We have seen them all before.

All records are made to be broken and everyone can expect a share of wild or weird weather some time. There's no need to invent hobgoblins.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/02/carbon_dioxide_cant_cause_wild_weir...

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 51474 Gender:	Re: The Greenies religion - the Global Warming HOAX Reply #59 - Jul 23^rd, 2018 at 4:36pm Nah, temperatures kept rising. Needs 30 years to be sure of a trend, “Teh Pause” was like half a dozen years. You do not know what you are talking about.
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