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Reply #15 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 9:12am
 
In praise of the slimy extremist Greenies who HATE everything. Are some of these grotesque Greenies here ?



Tomorrow’s Grim, Global, Green Dictatorship

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Greens hate individual freedom and private property. They dream of a centralised unelected global government, financed by taxes on developed nations and controlled by all the tentacles of the UN.

No longer is real pollution of our environment the main Green concern. The key slogan of the Green religion is “sustainable development”, with them defining what is sustainable.

Greens hate miners. They use nationalised parks, heritage areas, flora/fauna reserves, green bans, locked gates and land rights (for some) to close as much land as possible to explorers and miners – apparently resources should be locked away for some lucky distant future generation. And if some persistent explorer manages to prove a mineral deposit, greens will then strangle it in the approvals process using “death by delay”.

Greens hate farmers with their ploughs, fertilisers, crops and grazing animals. They want Aussie grazing land turned back to kangaroos and woody weeds. They plan to expel farmers and graziers from most land areas, with food produced in concentrated feedlots, factory farms, communal gardens and hydroponics.

Greens hate professional fishermen with their nets, lines and harpoons. Using the Great Barrier Reef as their poster-child, they plan to control the Coral Sea using marine parks, fishing quotas, bans and licences, leaving us to get seafood from foreign seas and factory fish farms.

Greens hate foresters and grass-farmers. They want every tree protected, even woody weeds taking over ancient treeless grasslands. Red meat and forest timber are “unsustainable”. Apparently they want us to live in houses made of recycled cardboard and plastic and eating fake steak and protein powder made from methane generated from decomposing rubbish dumps.

Greens despise the suburbs with their SUV’s, lawns, pools, rose gardens, manicured parks, ponies and golf courses. They prefer concentrated accommodation with people stacked-and-packed in high-rise cubic apartments, with state-controlled kindies in the basement, and with ring-roads of electric trams and driverless cars connecting apartments, schools, offices and shops.

Greens hate reliable grid power from coal, nuclear, oil, gas or hydro generators. Their “sustainable” option is part-time power from wind and solar with the inevitable blackouts and shortages needing more rules and rationing.

Greens lead the war on fracking and pipelines. The victims are energy consumers. The beneficiaries are Russian gas and Middle-east oil.

Greens think it is “sustainable” to uglify scenic hills with whining wind towers, power poles, transmission lines and access roads, and to clutter pleasant estuaries and shallow seas with more bird-slicing turbines. They think it is “sustainable” to keep smothering sunny flatlands under solar panels and filling the suburbs with extra power lines and batteries of toxic metals.

Greens think it is “sustainable” to clear forests for bio-mass to feed large wood-fired power stations, or for establishing biofuel plantations. They think it is “sustainable” to keep converting croplands from producing food for humans to producing ethanol for cars.

Greens hate free markets where prices are used to signal changing supply and demand. There is no room for fun, frills or luxuries in their “sustainable” world. They want to limit demand by imposing rationing on us wastrels – carbon ration cards, electricity rationing meters, water rationing, meat free days, diet cops and bans on fast foods and fizzy-drinks.

They also favour compulsory recycling of everything, no matter what that process costs in energy or resources. Surveillance cameras will keep watch on our “wasteful” habits.

None of this vast green religious agenda is compatible with individual freedom, constitutional rights or private property – and none of it makes any economic or climate sense.

The Despotic Green New World is coming. Climate alarm is the stalking horse, “sustainable development” is the war cry, and global government is the goal.



Read more, as well as:

Planned Power Chaos
Junk all Junkets
“The Oceans will Boil”
Read the full report: http://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/green-dictatorship.pdf [PDF, 355 KB]
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Reply #16 - Jun 29th, 2018 at 8:08pm
 
juliar wrote on Jun 29th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Like a chastised naughty child Auggie reoffends with a bit more OFF TOPIC SPAM even tho he/she now know that IT IS ILLEGAL to MISQUOTE ANOTHER POSTER. Have to correct this shameful misdemeanor.

Definitely another troll who is trying to deliberately disrupt things just to try to get attention- so childishly trollish.

Auggie wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 6:44pm:
juliar wrote on Jun 28th, 2018 at 2:07pm:
A bit of OFF TOPIC SPAM by Auggie who doesn't know that IT IS ILLEGAL to MISQUOTE ANOTHER POSTER. Have to correct this shameful misdemeanor.


Better.



I only troll you, Juliar.

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Reply #17 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 12:17pm
 
Trolls are not known for their high intelligence but rather for their childish desire to disrupt and seek attention as they are usually ignored.
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Reply #18 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 6:04pm
 
I would have thought someone like Juliar, wouldn't wish to mention intelligence, especially not alongside AGW, as his IQ is usually described as lower than room temperature. I'm assuming they mean AIR CONDITIONED ROOM temperature.
The only thing lower than his IQ is his sense of decency.

So he is a conspirinut, well everyone knows how smart you have to be to be one of those.
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Reply #19 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 6:19pm
 
MozzaNOTok seems to be one of those delusional Greeny types who are too dumb to recognize reality and just bask in their dumbness bliss.

No Global Warming for 21 years now - how embarrassing for the dumb Greenies.

Global Warming is just one GIGANTIC HOAX designed by the Club of Rome to FRAUDULENTLY steal money from the rich nations and give to the poor nations.

The world climates have been changing for thousands of years and is nothing new at all.

Dumb Greeny Types believe in the Global Warming HOAX because they are too dumb to understand it. Ignorance is bliss for them.



Now something that will go right over the head of poor Climatically Confused Globally Warmed MozzaNOTok.


The Past is the Key to the Present… and the Future
A Corollary of the Principle of Uniformitarianism
By Howard Dewhirst, Geologist

This document aims to contextualise the scientific debate concerning Climate Change (CC) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Examining Earth history, it is indisputable that CC has been operating for many hundreds of millions of years, in cycles that span many different time-scales (millennial-plus to decadal), all without human influence.

Understanding the causative factors in past CC provides a solid basis for framing the present debate.

AGW is a notion which says that human activities, notably the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, are causing an increase in the global heat budget.

That higher-energy state of Earth’s environment it is argued sets the stage for damaging CC effects.

Political and economic decisions have been influenced by this claim.

Some of those decisions harm efforts to better the health and welfare of the world’s population, including both the poorest and those who are better off.

If the CC and AGW arguments are incorrectly based, as we outline here, there is a need to re-consider those decisions.


CC in Earth History
Paleo-temperature (of atmosphere and ocean) is taken as a proxy indicator of climate, since climate is a complex concept that includes precipitation amounts and patterns, wind, etc whose history and future cannot be extracted or classified in a satisfactory way.

Earth’s equatorial region has had a consistent temperature during the climate swings over hundreds of millions of years, but the polar areas have varied, thus altering the pole-to-equator gradient of heat energy, which is the principal driver of climate on the planet.

Causes of CC (changes in temperature gradients) are dominated by orbital and solar effects, with added signals from volcanoes (both dust and chemicals), tectonics and plate motions, and biological feedbacks.

Oceans (which cover ~70% of the planet) are the main heat reservoir, but with patterns of warmer and colder water distributions that reveal decadal and longer cyclicity that is not understood.


Global Warming
Earth’s temperature has been generally rising since the end of the last ice age, with an apparent acceleration during the last century, but not since.

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have also been rising more uniformly, now reaching 410ppm or 0.04% of atmosphere.

CO2 has been identified as a ‘greenhouse gas’, based on an argument that it traps and reflects heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are over-stated, as only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum (wavelengths of heat energies) can be captured by this molecule.

Because CO2 concentration is rising and is implicated in global warming, and because CO2 is a by-product of combustion, energy sources from fossil fuels have been demonised – via social and political suppression of their use, and a push towards 100% renewable energy.


There are three key challenges to the idea that CO2 is the primary cause of GW:
1. Long-term records of CO2 and temperature show good correlation, but the CO2 concentrations lag behind temperature increases by thousands of years. Thus, CO2 increase is the consequence of rising ocean temperature, not the cause.

2. Numerical models of climate systems, which involve simplifying assumptions and methods that are associated with serious artefacts, consistently fail to ‘predict’ the known past temperature patterns. Such models cannot justify the suppression of hydrocarbon fuels.

3. Average temperatures are no longer increasing despite the inexorable rise of CO2.


Human activities are not the driver of global warming (or cooling).
Earth’s systems are governed by processes that operate over a wide range of time- and length-scales, many of which far exceed the usual scope of human perceptions.

The demonization of carbon is scientifically unjustified.

Howard Dewhirst

Read the open letter: https://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gsl-open-letter-dewhirst.pdf [PDF, 312 KB]
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Reply #20 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:00pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 6:19pm:
MozzaNOTok seems to be one of those delusional Greeny types who are too dumb to recognize reality and just bask in their dumbness bliss.

No Global Warming for 21 years now - how embarrassing for the dumb Greenies.

Global Warming is just one GIGANTIC HOAX designed by the Club of Rome to FRAUDULENTLY steal money from the rich nations and give to the poor nations.

The world climates have been changing for thousands of years and is nothing new at all.

Dumb Greeny Types believe in the Global Warming HOAX because they are too dumb to understand it. Ignorance is bliss for them.



Now something that will go right over the head of poor Climatically Confused Globally Warmed MozzaNOTok.


The Past is the Key to the Present… and the Future
A Corollary of the Principle of Uniformitarianism
By Howard Dewhirst, Geologist

This document aims to contextualise the scientific debate concerning Climate Change (CC) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Examining Earth history, it is indisputable that CC has been operating for many hundreds of millions of years, in cycles that span many different time-scales (millennial-plus to decadal), all without human influence.

Understanding the causative factors in past CC provides a solid basis for framing the present debate.

AGW is a notion which says that human activities, notably the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, are causing an increase in the global heat budget.

That higher-energy state of Earth’s environment it is argued sets the stage for damaging CC effects.

Political and economic decisions have been influenced by this claim.

Some of those decisions harm efforts to better the health and welfare of the world’s population, including both the poorest and those who are better off.

If the CC and AGW arguments are incorrectly based, as we outline here, there is a need to re-consider those decisions.


CC in Earth History
Paleo-temperature (of atmosphere and ocean) is taken as a proxy indicator of climate, since climate is a complex concept that includes precipitation amounts and patterns, wind, etc whose history and future cannot be extracted or classified in a satisfactory way.

Earth’s equatorial region has had a consistent temperature during the climate swings over hundreds of millions of years, but the polar areas have varied, thus altering the pole-to-equator gradient of heat energy, which is the principal driver of climate on the planet.

Causes of CC (changes in temperature gradients) are dominated by orbital and solar effects, with added signals from volcanoes (both dust and chemicals), tectonics and plate motions, and biological feedbacks.

Oceans (which cover ~70% of the planet) are the main heat reservoir, but with patterns of warmer and colder water distributions that reveal decadal and longer cyclicity that is not understood.


Global Warming
Earth’s temperature has been generally rising since the end of the last ice age, with an apparent acceleration during the last century, but not since.

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have also been rising more uniformly, now reaching 410ppm or 0.04% of atmosphere.

CO2 has been identified as a ‘greenhouse gas’, based on an argument that it traps and reflects heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are over-stated, as only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum (wavelengths of heat energies) can be captured by this molecule.

Because CO2 concentration is rising and is implicated in global warming, and because CO2 is a by-product of combustion, energy sources from fossil fuels have been demonised – via social and political suppression of their use, and a push towards 100% renewable energy.


There are three key challenges to the idea that CO2 is the primary cause of GW:
1. Long-term records of CO2 and temperature show good correlation, but the CO2 concentrations lag behind temperature increases by thousands of years. Thus, CO2 increase is the consequence of rising ocean temperature, not the cause.

2. Numerical models of climate systems, which involve simplifying assumptions and methods that are associated with serious artefacts, consistently fail to ‘predict’ the known past temperature patterns. Such models cannot justify the suppression of hydrocarbon fuels.

3. Average temperatures are no longer increasing despite the inexorable rise of CO2.


Human activities are not the driver of global warming (or cooling).
Earth’s systems are governed by processes that operate over a wide range of time- and length-scales, many of which far exceed the usual scope of human perceptions.

The demonization of carbon is scientifically unjustified.

Howard Dewhirst

Read the open letter: https://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gsl-open-letter-dewhirst.pdf [PDF, 312 KB]


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Reply #21 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:30pm
 
Auggie is displaying his gross ignorance again with more childish trollish behavior. Have to correct this sick off topic troll stuff.


Auggie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:00pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 6:19pm:
MozzaNOTok seems to be one of those delusional Greeny types who are too dumb to recognize reality and just bask in their dumbness bliss.

No Global Warming for 21 years now - how embarrassing for the dumb Greenies.

Global Warming is just one GIGANTIC HOAX designed by the Club of Rome to FRAUDULENTLY steal money from the rich nations and give to the poor nations.

The world climates have been changing for thousands of years and is nothing new at all.

Dumb Greeny Types believe in the Global Warming HOAX because they are too dumb to understand it. Ignorance is bliss for them.



Now something that will go right over the head of poor Climatically Confused Globally Warmed MozzaNOTok.


The Past is the Key to the Present… and the Future
A Corollary of the Principle of Uniformitarianism
By Howard Dewhirst, Geologist

This document aims to contextualise the scientific debate concerning Climate Change (CC) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Examining Earth history, it is indisputable that CC has been operating for many hundreds of millions of years, in cycles that span many different time-scales (millennial-plus to decadal), all without human influence.

Understanding the causative factors in past CC provides a solid basis for framing the present debate.

AGW is a notion which says that human activities, notably the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, are causing an increase in the global heat budget.

That higher-energy state of Earth’s environment it is argued sets the stage for damaging CC effects.

Political and economic decisions have been influenced by this claim.

Some of those decisions harm efforts to better the health and welfare of the world’s population, including both the poorest and those who are better off.

If the CC and AGW arguments are incorrectly based, as we outline here, there is a need to re-consider those decisions.


CC in Earth History
Paleo-temperature (of atmosphere and ocean) is taken as a proxy indicator of climate, since climate is a complex concept that includes precipitation amounts and patterns, wind, etc whose history and future cannot be extracted or classified in a satisfactory way.

Earth’s equatorial region has had a consistent temperature during the climate swings over hundreds of millions of years, but the polar areas have varied, thus altering the pole-to-equator gradient of heat energy, which is the principal driver of climate on the planet.

Causes of CC (changes in temperature gradients) are dominated by orbital and solar effects, with added signals from volcanoes (both dust and chemicals), tectonics and plate motions, and biological feedbacks.

Oceans (which cover ~70% of the planet) are the main heat reservoir, but with patterns of warmer and colder water distributions that reveal decadal and longer cyclicity that is not understood.


Global Warming
Earth’s temperature has been generally rising since the end of the last ice age, with an apparent acceleration during the last century, but not since.

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have also been rising more uniformly, now reaching 410ppm or 0.04% of atmosphere.

CO2 has been identified as a ‘greenhouse gas’, based on an argument that it traps and reflects heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are over-stated, as only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum (wavelengths of heat energies) can be captured by this molecule.

Because CO2 concentration is rising and is implicated in global warming, and because CO2 is a by-product of combustion, energy sources from fossil fuels have been demonised – via social and political suppression of their use, and a push towards 100% renewable energy.


There are three key challenges to the idea that CO2 is the primary cause of GW:
1. Long-term records of CO2 and temperature show good correlation, but the CO2 concentrations lag behind temperature increases by thousands of years. Thus, CO2 increase is the consequence of rising ocean temperature, not the cause.

2. Numerical models of climate systems, which involve simplifying assumptions and methods that are associated with serious artefacts, consistently fail to ‘predict’ the known past temperature patterns. Such models cannot justify the suppression of hydrocarbon fuels.

3. Average temperatures are no longer increasing despite the inexorable rise of CO2.


Human activities are not the driver of global warming (or cooling).
Earth’s systems are governed by processes that operate over a wide range of time- and length-scales, many of which far exceed the usual scope of human perceptions.

The demonization of carbon is scientifically unjustified.

Howard Dewhirst

Read the open letter: https://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gsl-open-letter-dewhirst.pdf [PDF, 312 KB]


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Reply #22 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:37pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:30pm:
Auggie is displaying his gross ignorance again with more childish trollish behavior. Have to correct this sick off topic troll stuff.


Auggie wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:00pm:
juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 6:19pm:
MozzaNOTok seems to be one of those delusional Greeny types who are too dumb to recognize reality and just bask in their dumbness bliss.

No Global Warming for 21 years now - how embarrassing for the dumb Greenies.

Global Warming is just one GIGANTIC HOAX designed by the Club of Rome to FRAUDULENTLY steal money from the rich nations and give to the poor nations.

The world climates have been changing for thousands of years and is nothing new at all.

Dumb Greeny Types believe in the Global Warming HOAX because they are too dumb to understand it. Ignorance is bliss for them.



Now something that will go right over the head of poor Climatically Confused Globally Warmed MozzaNOTok.


The Past is the Key to the Present… and the Future
A Corollary of the Principle of Uniformitarianism
By Howard Dewhirst, Geologist

This document aims to contextualise the scientific debate concerning Climate Change (CC) and Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW).

Examining Earth history, it is indisputable that CC has been operating for many hundreds of millions of years, in cycles that span many different time-scales (millennial-plus to decadal), all without human influence.

Understanding the causative factors in past CC provides a solid basis for framing the present debate.

AGW is a notion which says that human activities, notably the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere, are causing an increase in the global heat budget.

That higher-energy state of Earth’s environment it is argued sets the stage for damaging CC effects.

Political and economic decisions have been influenced by this claim.

Some of those decisions harm efforts to better the health and welfare of the world’s population, including both the poorest and those who are better off.

If the CC and AGW arguments are incorrectly based, as we outline here, there is a need to re-consider those decisions.


CC in Earth History
Paleo-temperature (of atmosphere and ocean) is taken as a proxy indicator of climate, since climate is a complex concept that includes precipitation amounts and patterns, wind, etc whose history and future cannot be extracted or classified in a satisfactory way.

Earth’s equatorial region has had a consistent temperature during the climate swings over hundreds of millions of years, but the polar areas have varied, thus altering the pole-to-equator gradient of heat energy, which is the principal driver of climate on the planet.

Causes of CC (changes in temperature gradients) are dominated by orbital and solar effects, with added signals from volcanoes (both dust and chemicals), tectonics and plate motions, and biological feedbacks.

Oceans (which cover ~70% of the planet) are the main heat reservoir, but with patterns of warmer and colder water distributions that reveal decadal and longer cyclicity that is not understood.


Global Warming
Earth’s temperature has been generally rising since the end of the last ice age, with an apparent acceleration during the last century, but not since.

Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 have also been rising more uniformly, now reaching 410ppm or 0.04% of atmosphere.

CO2 has been identified as a ‘greenhouse gas’, based on an argument that it traps and reflects heat.

The physics of CO2 heat retention are over-stated, as only a tiny portion of the electromagnetic spectrum (wavelengths of heat energies) can be captured by this molecule.

Because CO2 concentration is rising and is implicated in global warming, and because CO2 is a by-product of combustion, energy sources from fossil fuels have been demonised – via social and political suppression of their use, and a push towards 100% renewable energy.


There are three key challenges [JULIAR IS A WANKER] to the idea that CO2 is the primary cause of GW:
1. Long-term records of CO2 and temperature show good correlation, but the CO2 concentrations lag behind temperature increases by thousands of years. Thus, CO2 increase is the consequence of rising ocean temperature, not the cause.

2. Numerical models of climate systems, which involve simplifying assumptions and methods that are associated with serious artefacts, consistently fail to ‘predict’ the known past temperature patterns. Such models cannot justify the suppression of hydrocarbon fuels.

3. Average temperatures are no longer increasing despite the inexorable rise of CO2.


Human activities are not the driver of global warming (or cooling).
Earth’s systems are governed by processes that operate over a wide range of time- and length-scales, many of which far exceed the usual scope of human perceptions.

The demonization of carbon [JULIAR IS A WANKER] is scientifically unjustified.

Howard Dewhirst

Read the open letter: https://carbon-sense.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/gsl-open-letter-dewhirst.pdf [PDF, 312 KB]


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Reply #23 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:50pm
 
Now having dispatched the gross trollish ignorance of auggie who is just trying to get noticed without any success.

The Greenie utopia becomes swill on earth.



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SHINE ON: In this green energy utopia all the wicked coal-powered generators have been demolished Eliza Goetze

Green Utopia may leave us powerless
8th Aug 2017 12:00 PM

IT IS 7pm on a cold, still night in the city which boasts "100% green energy".

Thousands of electric cars are plugged into chargers, electric lights, heaters and TVs are running, electric stoves are cooking dinner, electric trains and lifts are moving late commuters and early revellers, and the pubs and clubs are busy.

The hills bristle with turbines, but there is no wind and not one is turning.

Every roof is covered with solar panels, but there is no sunshine and the panels are fast asleep.

The green city is facing peak electricity demand... on batteries.

But for several days, clouds have shaded the solar panels and there has been no wind to turn the turbines; the battalions of batteries are running out of juice.

One by one, they drop out.

The street lights fade and the city goes dark.


In this green energy utopia all the wicked coal-powered generators have been demolished, exploration for gas is forbidden, no one dares to mention nuclear, hydro schemes have gone (replaced by Wild Rivers), new hydro developments are stalled by green lawyers, and diesel generators are banned.

There is only one problem with this green perfection.

When the city wakes to another cloudy, windless day, where will its electricity come from?
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Reply #24 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:52pm
 
juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 7:50pm:
Now having dispatched the gross trollish ignorance of auggie who is just trying to get noticed without any success.

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SHINE ON: In this green energy utopia all the wicked coal-powered generators have been demolished Eliza Goetze

Green Utopia may leave us powerless
8th Aug 2017 12:00 PM

IT IS 7pm on a cold, still night in the city which boasts "100% green energy".

Thousands of electric cars are plugged into chargers, electric lights, heaters and TVs are running, electric stoves are cooking dinner, electric trains and lifts are moving late commuters and early revellers, and the pubs and clubs are busy.

The hills bristle with turbines, but there is no wind and not one is turning.

Every roof is covered with solar panels, but there is no sunshine and the panels are fast asleep.

The green city is facing peak electricity demand... on batteries.

But for several days, clouds have shaded the solar panels and there has been no wind to turn the turbines; the battalions of batteries are running out of juice.

One by one, they drop out.

The street lights fade and the city goes dark.


In this green energy utopia all the wicked coal-powered generators have been demolished, exploration for gas is forbidden, no one dares to mention nuclear, hydro schemes have gone (replaced by Wild Rivers), new hydro developments are stalled by green lawyers, and diesel generators are banned.

There is only one problem with this green perfection.

When the city wakes to another cloudy, windless day, where will its electricity come from?

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Reply #25 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 8:44pm
 
It is always amusing when a troll becomes angry. They become so childlike. Like chastised naughty children.

But enough disciplining of naughty troll children and back to the TOPIC.



Climate scare based on carbon dioxide 'bogus'
16th Apr 2015 3:00 AM

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THERE are people who want us to close all coal mines and abandon reliable power stations while littering the landscape with unreliable wind turbines and solar panels; create their brave new world where electricity will be rationed, expensive and intermittent; and hand control of national development, resources and tax revenue to a vast unelected global government.

It is all based on scary climate forecasts produced by computer models that assume that the key driver of future world temperature is man's production of carbon dioxide.

But what really determines tomorrow's temperature anywhere on Earth?

The sun is the primary controller of surface temperature.

The first question is "Where is the sun tomorrow?" This depends on location, season and time.

Secondly, are we in the centre of a continental desert, with temperature extremes, or near an ocean, where extremes are moderated?

Thirdly, is there a warm wind coming from the tropics or a frigid wind coming from the poles?

Fourthly, what cloud cover is affecting incoming radiation from the sun, and outgoing radiation from Earth?

Finally, what trends can we expect from solar system cycles and the related ocean oscillations or from volcanic dust?

Notice one thing - not one of these powerful temperature controllers depends on the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Carbon dioxide is not reported by meteorologists on the nightly news, is not charted by private long term weather forecasters.

Maybe there is a message here - the whole climate scare based on carbon dioxide is bogus.
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Reply #26 - Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:08pm
 
Premier's electric car still using coal
22nd Nov 2015 8:00 AM

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THE Premier of Queensland has agreed to subsidise eight expensive new toys - electric cars.

Greens are hailing this as the spear-point of their green energy revolution.

But the Premier's green cars will run on coal.

Electric cars need large batteries, which have to be recharged.

Maybe the Premier has a large subsidised solar panel on the roof of her garage, so that when she comes home, she can recharge the big battery?

But the sun does not shine at night, so the car will still rely on electricity from coal.

She could of course get taxpayers to buy an expensive battery for the garage which gets charged when the sun shines and then re-charges the green car at night - all very expensive to install and replace.

And during and after every cloudy spell, it would still need to run on coal.

Electric cars can reduce pollution in cities.

The Premier should promote Queensland industry by highlighting the fact that her new toys are not only clean and quiet, but also run on nature's best solar energy battery - ancient sunshine stored in good Queensland coal.
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Just ten hours of sun fell on German panels in December
January 18, 2018      by Viv Forbes,      5 Comments

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During December 2017, Germany’s millions of solar panels received just 10 hours of sunshine, and when solar energy did filter through the clouds, most of the panels were covered in snow. 

Even committed Green Disciples with a huge Tesla battery in their garage soon found that their battery was flat and that there was no solar energy to recharge it.

The lights, heaters, trains, TVs, and phones ran on German coal power, French nuclear power, Russian gas, and Scandinavian hydro, plus unpredictable surges of electricity from those few wind turbines that were not iced up, locked down in a gale, or becalmed.

Germany has long supported two incompatible ideas: engineering excellence and green totalitarianism.  Angela Merkel’s support of climate alarmism while preaching energy efficiency continues this discordant tradition.

But King Winter has exposed the weak underbelly of Germany’s energy policy.  Empress Merkel now faces a hostile political climate with no clothes.

The green energy retreat has started in the green energy movement’s own heartland.


http://www.cfact.org/2018/01/18/just-ten-hours-of-sun-on-german-panels-in-decemb...
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Germany's unpleasant coming face to face with reality of no sun and no wind is a stern warning to Australia before it too falls into the same Greeny trap.




Germany’s “green energy’ dream is falling apart
November 22, 2017      by Michael Bastasch,      1 Comment

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Frau Merkel sieht nicht so gut aus.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s attempt to form a new government failed on Monday, marking the first time in decades that majority political parties have been unable to form a governing coalition.

If no coalition forms, Germany may be forced to hold new elections. But one casualty of Germany’s ongoing political crisis could be the country’s costly plan to promote green energy and fight global warming.

“Germany’s utopian dream of transforming itself into the world’s green powerhouse is collapsing as its political and media establishment is mugged by reality,” Benny Peiser, director of the UK-based Global Warming Policy Forum, wrote in a blog post.

“The country’s climate obsession has turned into one of the country’s biggest political and economic handicaps, making Germany almost ungovernable,” Peiser wrote.

Indeed, environmental issues were a major point of contention among parties Merkel and her Christian Democratic Party wanted to partner with.

“The ecologists wanting to phase out dirty coal and combustion-engine cars, while the conservatives and FDP emphasised the need to protect industry and jobs,” News24 reported.

Former U.S. President Barack Obama often praised Germany’s green energy policy, calling it a model for the world to follow, but recent political upheaval may have planted the seeds of Germany’s reversal on climate policy.

Greens wanted to shut down 10 to 20 of Germany’s 180 coal-fired power plants that still provide 40 percent of the country’s electricity. Conservatives opposed this, fearing massive economic and social upheaval.

Further attacks on coal power could boost the popularity of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), Peiser noted.

“Its skeptical stance on climate and green energy issues has sent shock-waves through Germany’s political establishment who fear they can no longer afford to appease the Greens without losing further support among their traditional voter base,” Peiser wrote.

“Without the development of new pragmatic policies and a forceful defence of a cheap energy strategy in face of a rapidly fading (and ageing) green movement, Germany is unlikely to free itself from the green shackles that are hindering technological and economic progress, never mind political stability,” Peiser added.

Germany’s environmental goals, or “Energiewende,” have come under scrutiny in recent months due to a government report from September claiming the country was not on track to meet its 2020 emissions targets.

“Energiewende” is Germany’s plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and replace coal and natural gas with green energy, mostly from solar and wind. Germany’s goal is to reduce emissions at least 80 percent  and draw 60 percent of its electricity from green energy, both by 2050.

Merkel promised to “find ways to get to the 2020 climate target,” including the continued shut down of coal-fired power plants. But conservative German lawmakers have opposed more punitive environmental measures.

Taxes and fees used to subsidize wind and solar power have caused German electric and heating bills to spike — all while emissions stay relatively flat.

Electric rates are about three times higher than what Americans pay, prompting the German media to label electricity a “luxury good.” Germans often refer to heating bills as the “second rent.”


Merkel was pressed by reporters and environmentalists about the fate of Germany’s coal fleet at the U.N. climate summit in Bonn, which ended Friday.

Merkel refused to give a deadline for when Germany’s coal plants would be phased out, but she did say the coal phaseout would be discussed in coalition talks. Now, all of it is in limbo.

http://www.cfact.org/2017/11/22/30940/
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juliar wrote on Jul 2nd, 2018 at 9:21pm:
During December 2017, Germany’s millions of solar panels received just 10 hours of sunshine, and when solar energy did filter through the clouds, most of the panels were covered in snow. 

Best not to let Gillard and Brown get into it this early in the research.  I think that a wise person would trust in human nature to adopt any new technology that looks like it works better than what they have, without that kind of bureaucratic extortion. 

I know what I might think up for my sig' next time:

"If you want a free country, emigrate to Pyong Yang."

Maybe on Friday.
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