Everyone of sound mind (this obviously excluded the extremist Greenies) knows that the Global Warming HOAX was dreamt up in the Club of Rome many years ago as a GIGANTIC FRAUD to steal money from the richer nations and give to the poorer nations.

But mentally deficient Greenies still to this day cannot grasp this and continue to dribble and blabber uncontrollably about it.

Wonder where the trolls are ? Hope they don't pollute this thread with their unclean uneducated attention seeking piffle.




CLIMATE CHANGE CONFERENCES PRODUCE YET MORE HOT AIR
VIV FORBES Thu 21 Jun 2018 03:46:49 pm 2093 COMMENTS



I live in SE Queensland. Yesterday the surface air temperature rose from a frosty 2ºC at sunrise to a balmy 22ºC in mid-afternoon. The enormous heat needed to achieve this 20ºC of warming came via radiation from the sun. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere plays no significant part in this daily heating event – in fact it may intercept a tiny proportion of the incoming solar radiation and re-radiate it in all directions, thus keeping the daytime surface temperature a tiny bit cooler than it would have been otherwise.

At the deep Mount Isa Mine in NW Queensland, the surface temperature may average about 25ºC but it increases by about 1ºC every 50 metres of depth – rock walls are red hot in places. The enormous heat causing this comes via conduction from Earth’s geothermal heat plus some oxidation and heating of the sulphide ores as they come in contact with natural air containing oxygen. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere plays no part in this heating.

There are volcanic windows open right now in Hawaii, Japan and the Galapagos revealing the vast resources of volcanic geothermal heat which is always migrating towards the cooler surface, sometimes violently.



Temperatures vary greatly over Earth’s surface, making a mockery of attempts to calculate an “average” for the globe. Air surface temperature may be minus 30ºC at the South Pole, while at the same time it can be plus 30ºC at the Equator. This enormous difference is caused by the varying intensity of solar radiation striking the surface - carbon dioxide in the atmosphere plays no significant part in creating this variance.

Surface air temperatures in big cities can be 5-10ºC hotter than surrounding rural land partly because bitumen roads, roofs and runways heat up more than grassy or forested countryside. Mega-cities are also full of heat-producing humans, engines, trains, vehicles, air conditioners, heaters, stoves, fridges, pumps and mowers.



Urban heat also comes from the warm bodies and hot exhalations from millions of humans digesting carbon-based foods, from stored chemical energy from burning hydro-carbons (wood, lignite, coal, oil and gas) or from nuclear power. Using green energy also adds to urban heat. Wind towers and solar farms extract energy from wind and sun in the country-side and release it where most of the electricity is used, usually in cities and suburbs. Aging black rooftop solar panels convert much of the solar radiation into heat not electricity, thus adding to urban heat. Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere plays no measurable part in producing these islands of urban heat.

Longer term, the Medieval Warm Era and the Little Ice Age were natural occurrences almost certainly triggered by solar cycles which activated submarine volcanic activity along Earth’s extensive mid-ocean trenches/ridges. Human production of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere played zero part in these natural global warming and cooling episodes.

CO₂ in the atmosphere varies annually with the seasons reaching a maximum in the South Hemisphere summer for two perfectly natural reasons.

First, the huge southern oceans expel carbon dioxide as the surface water warms with the return of the summer (like an opened bottle of soda water in the sun).

At the same time it is turning to winter in the large northern hemisphere landmass where deciduous trees and forests are dropping their leaves, and crop residue is accumulating on cultivated lands. As this dead plant material decomposes it recycles its CO2 to the atmosphere. And as winter grips these densely populated lands, humans are also burning wood, peat, cow dung, coal, oil and gas to keep warm, releasing even more CO2.

Then as the sun-driven seasons change, the southern oceans cool again and much of this carbon dioxide returns to the sea from whence it came. And the northern farms and forests grow faster in their summer, absorbing atmospheric carbon dioxide and solar energy to produce food and lumber.

This annual fluctuation of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is a result, not a cause, of the seasonal temperature changes.

What happens in the seasonal weather cycle also occurs as a result of longer climate cycles of cooling and warming. The ice core records show that the changes in global temperatures precede by about 800 years any changes to the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. This is probably a result of large slow overturning in the oceans as global temperatures change in response to cycles of solar energy and earth volcanism.

This ridiculing of the dumb Greenies continues overleaf

A sweet COMMENT from a very well informed and educated bloke - obviously NOT an extremist Greeny imbecile!!!


NO Global Warming for 22 years now - how embarrassing for the looney Greenies.



paisley Sun 24 Jun 2018 06:16:03 am

This piece on CO₂ should be the Greenies bible. Why do you think they hate CO₂ so much when it is the life blood of plants?. They really are mixed up creatures.

I love carbon dioxide and you should too.

What’s got lost in the global warming trash/debate, and that is all it is, is the massive benefit such a thing would bring to earth.

There would be significant benefit to nature as well as humans but try and tell people that and you become a green heretic, inane simpleton or old white male or some such nasty.

Gregory Wrightstone spells out a more scientific view of one part of the CO₂ debate.
The demonization of the “miracle molecule,” carbon dioxide, continued last week with the announcement that its concentration had reached 410 parts per million (ppm).

Nearly all reporting of this noted that this was the highest level in 800,000 years and predicted a host of associated climate calamities.

While the current concentration of this vital gas is about 40% higher than at the start of the Industrial Revolution, unreported is that Earth has been suffering from steadily decreasing and perilously low concentrations of CO₂.

Until the consumption of fossil fuels began liberating this important gas from ancient rocks , the Earth had been flirting with dangerously low levels not seen for more than 600 million years.

During nearly all of Earth’s history, carbon dioxide concentration was at many multiples of our current level, averaging 2,600 ppm, or 6.5 times our current measurement.

Forerunners of most of the plants we rely on for sustenance first appeared around 150 million years ago when CO₂ levels were more than 2,000 ppm. Since that time CO₂ has fallen steadily and precipitously.

In fact, at the end of the last ice age, carbon dioxide reached the dangerously low level of 182 ppm, thought to be the lowest since the Pre-Cambrian time period more than 600 million years ago.

Why is it dangerous? Because 150 ppm is the lowest level at which plant life can survive. We came within a whisker of breaching that “line of death.” Until we began adding CO₂ to the atmosphere, there was no guarantee that this horrific threshold would not be crossed in the future.

Rather than spreading fear of increasing carbon dioxide, we should be thankful that both the Earth and humanity are thriving, in part due to more CO₂.



The benefits of increasing CO₂ don’t stop with accelerating plant growth and increasing soil moisture. The biological impacts section of the 2014 white paper Climate change reconsidered II provided quite a lengthy list of additional benefits in addition to those mentioned above. The main points are listed below:

More CO₂ makes plants grow faster and with less stress.

Forests are growing faster in response to increasing CO₂.

More CO₂ stimulates growth of beneficial bacteria in both soil and water.

CO₂ fertilization, leading to more plant growth, means less erosion of topsoil.

More CO₂ means bigger crop yields, and more and bigger flowers.

More CO₂ fosters glomalin, a beneficial protein created by root fungi.

More CO₂ helps plants to create natural repellants to fight insect predators.

Although I do not pretend to speak for the planet’s flora, I am quite certain that, if plants had a say in the matter, they would not lobby for reductions in CO₂ levels. For plants, CO₂ is food. They need more of it, not less.

Sir Bobby,

I had been uncovering the myth of the Tesla Hoax which is seen by the Greeny types as an answer to the Global Warming Hoax and so it followed naturally to plonk this ridicule of the Global Warming HOAX here.

I will try to swing it more technical.

Another post on Elon and the New World Order?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 26^th, 2018 at 8:05pm:



Nope. You are confused The UN is supposedly the home of NWO. Its satellite is UNFCC which is trying, oh so hard, to kill of fossil fuels.

That is the aim of Musk; isn't it?

Or it could possibly be the Sierra Club, also trying to kill off fossil fuels, to "save the planet", of course.

Don't you just love a good conspiracy theory?

juliar wrote on Jun 25^th, 2018 at 3:45am:


Off topic.

A bit of OFF TOPIC SPAM by Auggie who doesn't know that IT IS ILLEGAL to MISQUOTE ANOTHER POSTER. Have to correct this shameful misdemeanor.

In any case it is childishly absurd to say it is OFF TOPIC.  Another troll ?


Auggie wrote on Jun 27^th, 2018 at 7:53pm:




Now, having corrected the naughty off topic spammer, how about some news on CO₂ the real good stuff ?


Viv Forbes with a terrific piece on political leaders who promise to control the climate
Tuesday, 09 January 2018

Be Careful What you Wish For.

In today’s crazy world, western politicians are wasting billions of tax-payer dollars force-feeding costly unreliable green energy in the bizarre belief that this will somehow change Earth’s climate.

Even more incredible, they fear global warmth and seem hell-bent on creating global cooling. They should study climate history. It is snow and ice, cold dry air and carbon dioxide starvation we need to fear, not a warm, moist, fertile, bountiful atmosphere.

Climate change is natural and unstoppable.

Just 20,000 years ago, Earth was in one of its recurring glacial phases.

A thick massive ice sheet smothered Canada, Alaska, Iceland, Greenland, North Asia and Europe as far south as London.

Much of the animal and plant life of the previous warm era was extinguished.

Even in warmer lands not covered by the ice sheet, plants suffered as the cold oceans removed moisture and carbon dioxide plant food from the atmosphere.

Then, because of changing cycles in Earth’s orbit and tilt, reinforced by changing solar cycles, the sun warmed the frozen lands.

The great ice sheets melted, sea levels rose and the warming oceans expelled moisture and CO2 plant food into the atmosphere.

Plant life recovered.

Tundra, forests, grasslands and herbivores advanced towards the pole and fish became abundant in the shallow seas that flooded coastal plains.

Hunters, herders, farmers and fishermen followed the food.

Human population increased greatly. They gave thanks for the warmth, and worshipped the sun.

But the peak of the modern warm era is past, and the natural cycles controlling global temperatures are pointing downwards towards another ICE AGE!!!!

Only an idiot with a death wish for life on Earth would attempt to accelerate our inevitable descent into the next ice age.

Luckily, their costly war on warmth is totally futile, but their war on carbon energy will prove tragically misguided in the cold times ahead.

Viv Forbes
vforbes@bigpond.com
Washpool   Qld Australia



And Gillard was paying Mr Flannery to say it would never rain for 40 years

Like a chastised naughty child Auggie reoffends with a bit more OFF TOPIC SPAM even tho he/she now know that IT IS ILLEGAL to MISQUOTE ANOTHER POSTER. Have to correct this shameful misdemeanor.

Definitely another troll who is trying to deliberately disrupt things just to try to get attention- so childishly trollish.

Auggie wrote on Jun 28^th, 2018 at 6:44pm: