freediver wrote on Aug 5
th, 2025 at 9:09am:
So under your plan, if 10 million Jews die, which is several million more Jews than live in Israel, it is not your fault, because you offered them a train ride to Tasmania. It is their fault for not getting on the train. And we loose the only functioning democracy in the middle east and north africa, which is not collateral damage for you, but your actual goal. The death of ten million people, the destruction of the nation, and whatever follows is, by your definition, 'peace'.
And you get to wash your hands of the whole disaster.
But it is me who is engaging in propaganda?
Yes it is you as is always the case. If the State of Israel moves to Utah, who goes with it and who stays behind is a matter for them. There is no train ride. That is you calling up holocaust images/memes quite deliberately as part of your contrived propaganda, seeking to demonise a proposal with inappropriate gas chamber metaphors to tug the heart strings through onpoing suggestions of "here we go again."
And who cares about there being a democracy in the ME. It has not stopped the West from establishing relations with the non-democracies. Hell, we even cosy up to the undemocratic despotic Saudis. those in Qatar etc, we accept their gifts like there is no tomorrow.
If you want to be blunt, what do we get from Israel (putting Wars aside) ~ when was the last time it gave anything to anybody?
You were busy telling me about its GDP recently. How much of that gets to any starving people in the Planet?