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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #450 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:17am

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 4:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:25pm:

John can you elaborate on the fundamental differences, if any,
between your vision for a final solution to the Jewish problem and Aussie's?

Hi FD,
what is your final solution of the Jewish question?

Aussie has one.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of solving their own problems Bobby.

I don't think so FD.
Since 1947 it's been nothing but war or talk of war in the Middle East
and Israel is always at the center of it.
Right now we have:
Gaza, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, the West Bank - all in a state of war with Israel.
In the past we had wars with Egypt.
Saudi Arabians and the Turks are not happy either.

Is there a point where we can say that the Israel experiment of 1947 has failed?
For how long can this go on for before it leads to nuclear weapons being used and WW3?
How much more suffering can the world tolerate?

There has to be a better solution.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #451 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:17am:

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 4:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:42pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 2:25pm:

John can you elaborate on the fundamental differences, if any,
between your vision for a final solution to the Jewish problem and Aussie's?

Hi FD,
what is your final solution of the Jewish question?

Aussie has one.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of solving their own problems Bobby.

I don't think so FD.
Since 1947 it's been nothing but war or talk of war in the Middle East
and Israel is always at the center of it.
Right now we have:
Gaza, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, the West Bank - all in a state of war with Israel.
In the past we had wars with Egypt.
Saudi Arabians and the Turks are not happy either.

Is there a point where we can say that the Israel experiment of 1947 has failed?
For how long can this go on for before it leads to nuclear weapons being used and WW3?
How much more suffering can the world tolerate?

There has to be a better solution.

FD?????????

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #452 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:35am

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Since 1947 it's been nothing but war or talk of war in the Middle East

Since 1947 Israel has been a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile and violent places on earth, providing its citizens with more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of their country, than any other country in the middle east or north africa, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation etc.

And despite frequent attempts by terrorist organisations like Hamas and their supporters on the story bridge to slaughter everyone and establish another barbaric Islamic theocracy, it is also a safer, healthier, wealthier and happier place to live.

Israel is the solution, not the problem. It is everything the left claims to want, and yet despised by a large lunatic fringe on the left.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #453 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:40am

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:35am:

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Since 1947 it's been nothing but war or talk of war in the Middle East

Since 1947 Israel has been a beacon of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards, hostile and violent places on earth, providing citizens with more rights and freedoms than any other country in the middle east or north africa, regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation etc.

And despite frequent attempts by terrorist organisation like Hamas and their supporters on the story bridge, it is also a safer, healthier, wealthier and happier place to live.

Israel is the solution, not the problem. It is everything the left claims to want, and yet despised by a large lunatic fringe on the left.

Not if it can lead to the destruction of the whole world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

The Samson Option.

Martin van Creveld

In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel's existence.[37] Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:

We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third.

We have the capability to take the world down with us.
And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.

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Reply #454 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:46am

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Not if it can lead to the destruction of the whole world.

It won't. Destroying Israel might. Do you think the Muslim extremists are going to suddenly be happy and lay down their weapons just because they help Aussie get rid of the Jews?

You cannot stop terrorism by ceding one demand at a time to the terrorists. The only thing stopping the terrorists running rampant and spreading in every direction from the middle east and north africa is the regular reminder that they face certain death. A reminder provided by Israel, by the combined global effort to destroy ISIS, and by the death of Osama Bin Laden. A failure on any of those 3 would have been the biggest propaganda coup and flashpoint for every Muslim extremist in the world since Muhammad raped and pillaged his way across the middle east.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #456 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:00am

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 9:46am:

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Not if it can lead to the destruction of the whole world.

It won't. Destroying Israel might. Do you think the Muslim extremists are going to suddenly be happy and lay down their weapons just because they help Aussie get rid of the Jews?

You cannot stop terrorism by ceding one demand at a time to the terrorists. The only thing stopping the terrorists running rampant and spreading in every direction from the middle east and north africa is the regular reminder that they face certain death. A reminder provided by Israel, by the combined global effort to destroy ISIS, and by the death of Osama Bin Laden. A failure on any of those 3 would have been the biggest propaganda coup and flashpoint for every Muslim extremist in the world since Muhammad raped and pillaged his way across the middle east.

FD,
I have nothing against the Jews.
I am just concerned that a small population of only 7 million people in Israel
is placing the future of the whole world of 8 billion people in jeopardy.

We are not playing for small change here.
7 million people don't out vote 8 billion people.
We all want to live in peace - not have a nuclear gun pointed at our heads.

For 80 years now, mankind has been at the point of total destruction
due to possessing nuclear weapons.
The one dropped on Hiroshima was tiny - only 12 kilotons -
but it destroyed an entire city.
It is likely that Israel has nukes in the mega ton range -
it could have 100s of them.

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Reply #457 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:10am

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I am just concerned that a small population of only 7 million people in Israel
is placing the future of the whole world of 8 billion people in jeopardy.

Israel is a peaceful democracy. It is the Muslims causing the problems, and those problems will not go away because you magically make Israel disappear. It's like saying we would have been better off today if we had let the Nazis slaughter the Jews, or the KKK hang as many negroes as they want, because standing up to them scares you.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #458 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:19am

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:10am:

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I am just concerned that a small population of only 7 million people in Israel
is placing the future of the whole world of 8 billion people in jeopardy.

Israel is a peaceful democracy. It is the Muslims causing the problems, and those problems will not go away because you magically make Israel disappear. It's like saying we would have been better off today if we had let the Nazis slaughter the Jews, or the KKK hang as many negroes as they want, because standing up to them scares you.

But you ignored my questions:

(1) Is there a point where we can say that the Israel experiment of 1947 has failed?

(2) For how long can this go on for before it leads to nuclear weapons being used and WW3?

(3) How much more suffering can the world tolerate?

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Reply #459 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:37am

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Is there a point where we can say that the Israel experiment of 1947 has failed?

Sure. If Israel becomes a failed state. At the moment it is a huge success.

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For how long can this go on for before it leads to nuclear weapons being used and WW3?

Israel can continue to exist indefinitely.

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How much more suffering can the world tolerate?

The world is already turning against Hamas. Even the Muslims are calling them out as the cause of the suffering.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #461 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:59am

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:37am:

At the moment it is a huge success.

Only because it is propped up by the west

It is a huge success because they value freedom and democracy. They give Arab Muslim citizens more rights and freedoms than they have in any other middle eastern or north african country. Foreign support is a consequence of that, not a cause.

If they treated Muslim citizens the same way that Jews have been treated in neighbouring countries, that support would evaporate.

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Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace
Reply #462 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 12:37pm

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:59am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:57am:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 10:37am:

At the moment it is a huge success.

Only because it is propped up by the west

It is a huge success because they value freedom and democracy. They give Arab Muslim citizens more rights and freedoms than they have in any other middle eastern or north african country. Foreign support is a consequence of that, not a cause.

If they treated Muslim citizens the same way that Jews have been treated in neighbouring countries, that support would evaporate.

So why does Israel not reject the gazzions of aid it gets from the West EVERY YEAR?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 77853 Gender:	Re: slaughtering Jews for world peace Reply #464 - Aug 4^th, 2025 at 12:51pm freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2025 at 11:59am: It is a huge success because they value freedom and democracy. . Just not anyone else's
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